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    Default Pale Master Unholy Avatar?

    Not sure how T4 Unholy Avatar works and if it has been discussed before.
    In anycase, it doesn't seem to allow (Lesser) Death Aura to trigger neg energy weakness. Or, even when trigger by Necrotic touch/bolt/blast, it doesn't allow (Lesser) Death Aura to do damage either.

    Is this WAI? SSG, can we have this changed?

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    Default Very Misleading Discription

    I feel this is a very misleading enhancement if you plan to multiclass.

    The description reads as such " You are cloaked in the darkness itself, and can reach out with your Negative Energy Spells to taint the Undead with mortality. When you strike an Undead with a damage-dealing Negative Energy Spell, it leaves a lingering weakness to Negative Energy that bypasses an Undead's natural resistance to Negative Energy for 20 seconds."

    As for the known bug I am in undead form during the applied negative damage. The problem is that it is only negative wizard damage not any negative damage. This becomes a problem in multiple areas where you are able to apply negative damage through spells. IE Cleric, Favor Soul, Alchemist. Even your new epic destiny Magus of the Eclipse doesn't apply the debuff. This makes the epic destiny useless for anyone including the Wizards unless they attack with a Wizard Specific Negative Damage first. Please adjust this to apply to all negative attacks. Additionally I know there is a negative damage attack on the enhancement tree, but when you multiclass with a low level wizard the damage is not very high. Additionally it is more beneficial to grab 5th tier on other enhancements locking out the area AOE from the Necrotic Blast.

    Edit: After a few additional tests It appears that inflict Critial, serious and light do not work with the enhancement. Some of the Epic Destiny work but the dark light of the moon doesn't appear to apply the debuff. The breath from the shadow dragon will apply the debuff allowing the dark light of moon to take effect. Not sure why the Inflict wound spells will heal them but not hurt them if they are debuffed from other spells.
    Last edited by rvance; 05-18-2022 at 07:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delduath View Post
    Not sure how T4 Unholy Avatar works and if it has been discussed before.
    In anycase, it doesn't seem to allow (Lesser) Death Aura to trigger neg energy weakness. Or, even when trigger by Necrotic touch/bolt/blast, it doesn't allow (Lesser) Death Aura to do damage either.

    Is this WAI? SSG, can we have this changed?
    This has been discussed many times with dev feedback…

    Spells fall into only one category as far as things like this are concerned…those targeted at enemies (offensive) and those not, since no spell can benefit from being both. Death aura, despite doing damage in the aura on enemies is not consider an offensive spell since you cannot target it on an enemy, therefore will not trigger any offensive spellcast proc, nor benefit from one. So yeah not a bug, but WAI.
    Last edited by jskinner937; 05-18-2022 at 07:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jskinner937 View Post
    This has been discussed many times with dev feedback…

    Spells fall into only one category as far as things like this are concerned…those targeted at enemies (offensive) and those not, since no spell can benefit from being both. Death aura, despite doing damage in the aura on enemies is not consider an offensive spell since you cannot target it on an enemy, therefore will not trigger any offensive spellcast proc, nor benefit from one. So yeah not a bug, but WAI.
    How does this then affect Inflict Wounds spells as these are offensive spells and do target enemies, or the Epic Destiny Moonlight which does area damage AOE and does not affect the caster with heals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvance View Post
    How does this then affect Inflict Wounds spells as these are offensive spells and do target enemies, or the Epic Destiny Moonlight which does area damage AOE and does not affect the caster with heals?
    This debuff is broken and no points should be spent on it ever.

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