Dungeon Helper - MyDDO, LGS Planner, and Auto-Follow

[LordMorrikan]

In addition to Trove, the inventory app, Dungeon Helper now has 3 more plugins.

Website: https://dungeonhelper.com/plugins

* MyDDO - this is the same product we did with the old Vault of Kundarak Launcher, but that's gone now. We moved it to be a Dungeon Helper plugin.
* LGS Planner - This was done by my partner RabidSquirrel. It's intended to replace the yourddo site that is now gone.
* AwesomeAF - an auto-follow plugin. Very small, very simple. It doesn't swim and the followee has to take wide corners, but it works well enough for a v1.

Head to the website above for download links, and to our discord to if you need help or have questions.
Discord: https://discord.gg/bfMZnbz

[Carpone]

Phenomenal work, thank you! It's very much appreciated.

[vryxnr]

I would love to get a dev comment on auto-follow.

I personally would love this feature, as sometimes I multibox. When I want my alternate selves somewhere I move them individually (time consuming) or suicide them and carry their soul stones then rez them (for loot sharing, for example).

This has always been a grey area. A very long time ago there was some discussion around similar things. I found a dev post from 2010 and 2012. But I've heard arguments for both sides, revolving around what it means to be "actively playing" or "at the keyboard".

They are HERE and HERE

Of course, a lot has changed since then, including the company itself. I'm really hoping we can get an unambiguous response (yea or nae) to remove confusion (and if it's nae to prevent innocent people who use it thinking it's ok from being punished).

[Valerianus]

I would love to get a dev comment on auto-follow.

I personally would love this feature, as sometimes I multibox. When I want my alternate selves somewhere I move them individually (time consuming) or suicide them and carry their soul stones then rez them (for loot sharing, for example).

This has always been a grey area. A very long time ago there was some discussion around similar things. I found a dev post from 2010 and 2012. But I've heard arguments for both sides, revolving around what it means to be "actively playing" or "at the keyboard".

They are HERE and HERE

Of course, a lot has changed since then, including the company itself. I'm really hoping we can get an unambiguous response (yea or nae) to remove confusion (and if it's nae to prevent innocent people who use it thinking it's ok from being punished).

a clear response would be surely welcome, but i guess that autofollow is ok

because

1) if you are multiboxing and have alts in autofollow, they are doing nothing if you are not actively moving your main, the program does nothing really on its own, i mean, you must be there and btw make sure they don't get stuck, it's not that easy.

2) in lotro the /follow command is a standard game feature built in the game itself (that's why i know how easy is to get stuck), so no problem i guess if someone build it for ddo

[rabidfox]

2) in lotro the /follow command is a standard game feature built in the game itself (that's why i know how easy is to get stuck), so no problem i guess if someone build it for ddo

So using LOTRO as an example could go either way. One could say it's fine because the other game has it. One could also say it's not allowed because if SSG wanted auto-follow in DDO they could use the LOTRO code as a baseline for adding it to DDO. Either way, without an official response from SSG, one is taking risks with their account potentially being banned for using it.

[Valerianus]

So using LOTRO as an example could go either way. One could say it's fine because the other game has it. One could also say it's not allowed because if SSG wanted auto-follow in DDO they could use the LOTRO code as a baseline for adding it to DDO. Either way, without an official response from SSG, one is taking risks with their account potentially being banned for using it.

yeah, or also saying that in lotro plugins are supported as a standard feature, the game is coded to use them, but in ddo they are not (sigh), so one may argue that they can't be used. also it would be legit to complain for the total lack of features in ddo, there are none, but this is another matter


but imho it stays true that some autofollow is not autopiloting your chars on its own, you must be there to move the main. without the player actively playing, there's nothing to autofollow.

[Oxarhamar]

In addition to Trove, the inventory app, Dungeon Helper now has 3 more plugins.

Website: https://dungeonhelper.com/plugins

* MyDDO - this is the same product we did with the old Vault of Kundarak Launcher, but that's gone now. We moved it to be a Dungeon Helper plugin.
* LGS Planner - This was done by my partner RabidSquirrel. It's intended to replace the yourddo site that is now gone.
* AwesomeAF - an auto-follow plugin. Very small, very simple. It doesn't swim and the followee has to take wide corners, but it works well enough for a v1.

Head to the website above for download links, and to our discord to if you need help or have questions.
Discord: https://discord.gg/bfMZnbz

Is the launcher working I can't get the site to open ?

[LordMorrikan]

Yep, I understand the dilemma of using it. I'm just trying to improve the player experience in whatever ways I can. No hard feelings if people don't want to use it

[TitusOvid]

So I tried this in public areas, wilderness and quests. You have to learn how to move a bit but this is absolutely great in a lot of situations. It is way better than to kill/sacrifice your alt account and carrying a soulstone around with you.
Also we made a little people train of about 12 characters following around the previous running around in harbor. This has potential for a lot of shenanigans.

Cheers,
Titus

[vryxnr]

Yep, I understand the dilemma of using it. I'm just trying to improve the player experience in whatever ways I can. No hard feelings if people don't want to use it

Oh I WANT to use it, but I also don't want to break the ToS. If there is a chance that I'll get banned, or even have my account/characters deleted, then no way I will (the temporary quality of life improvement can't improve my gaming experience if I can't play due to being banned). I'm no lawyer, but looking at the 8-10 year old posts I can see it swing either way, plus those old posts were made by a company no longer involved and with a QA and in-game GMs who probably no longer exist, have different guidelines for dealing with things, etc... which means until a current dev chimes in, I - sadly - will not be touching it despite how much I want to.

I really REALLY hope we get clarification.

*puppy dog eyes towards the devs*

[solerous]

Thanks for creating this. It seems really promising. I couldn't get it to work, though. Here's an excerpt from the error logs. I can see the overlay flash when I switch to the DDO window, but it instantly disappears. I did get it to come up once on my desktop, but it never works when the game is running.

2022-01-10 17:25:15,790 INFO ?.? - Starting Dungeon Helper.
2022-01-10 17:25:15,824 INFO ?.? - Product Version: 2.0.7.0
2022-01-10 17:25:15,824 INFO ?.? - Assembly Version: 2.0.7.0
2022-01-10 17:25:15,824 INFO ?.? - Assembly Path: Void ?(System.String[])
2022-01-12 18:10:30,026 ERROR ProcessContainer - Unable to create a new 32-bit DdoDataProvider
System.ComponentModel.Win32Exception (299): Only part of a ReadProcessMemory or WriteProcessMemory request was completed.
at System.Diagnostics.NtProcessManager.EnumProcessMod ulesUntilSuccess(SafeProcessHandle processHandle, IntPtr[] modules, Int32 size, Int32& needed)
at System.Diagnostics.NtProcessManager.GetModules(Int 32 processId, Boolean firstModuleOnly)
at System.Diagnostics.NtProcessManager.GetFirstModule (Int32 processId)
at System.Diagnostics.Process.get_MainModule()
at VoK.Sdk.Extensions.GetProcessFolder(Process process)
at ?.?..ctor(Process )
at ?.?..ctor(Process )
2022-01-12 18:10:31,073 ERROR PluginManager - Win32Exception attaching to dndclient, will try again...
System.ComponentModel.Win32Exception (299): Only part of a ReadProcessMemory or WriteProcessMemory request was completed.
at System.Diagnostics.NtProcessManager.EnumProcessMod ulesUntilSuccess(SafeProcessHandle processHandle, IntPtr[] modules, Int32 size, Int32& needed)
at System.Diagnostics.NtProcessManager.GetModules(Int 32 processId, Boolean firstModuleOnly)
at System.Diagnostics.NtProcessManager.GetFirstModule (Int32 processId)
at System.Diagnostics.Process.get_MainModule()
at VoK.Sdk.Extensions.GetProcessFolder(Process process)
at ?.?..ctor(Process )
at ?.?..ctor(Process )
at ?.?.?()

EDIT: I did get it to work finally in Full Screen (Windowed) mode. I was running it in Full Screen before.

[Loriega]

Hmm dll injection with .net?

Anyhow looks very useful, I'd love a /follow thingy, but yes as others have written, the legality needs to be clear.
ReadProcessMemory and WriteProcessMemory doesn't look very TOS/EULA compatible.

@solerous are you by chance running 32bit Windows?

p.s. Is the source code available? I'm not friends with running 3rd party software that hooks into a game client where I need to supply login credentials, no offense meant.

[NemesisAlien]

The exe file is not working and there is no uninstaller. :/

Can I just delete the folder?

[LordMorrikan]

The exe file is not working and there is no uninstaller. :/

Can I just delete the folder?

That should be fine. The only other place files would be left behind is in %LocalAppData%\Dungeon Helper

Odd that you don't have an uninstall option, though.

[NemesisAlien]

That should be fine. The only other place files would be left behind is in %LocalAppData%\Dungeon Helper

Odd that you don't have an uninstall option, though.

Usually I would uninstall and reinstall, but there is no uninstaller.