U52: Three repeater builds with damage calcs

[TitusOvid]

I don't see anyone asking this and I can't believe I am the first one. Are you willing to part with your calculator and publish it somewhere?

This game can use all the good tools that can get.

Cheers,
Titus

Meh, can't spread more rep to you, your fault entirely.

[Epicsoul]

Some questions about repeater builds now :

-How do repeater builds compare with inquisitive when leveling?

-I noticed all the repeater builds use horizon walker. How do they compare with inquisitve builds without horizon walker?

-Why does the 3rd build use artificer 13?

-How does a repeater build outdamage inquis builds? Just because of the 4th shot granted by expanded clip? Thats enough to overcome the damage that inquis have from sneak attack and law dice?

1. Compare how? Strange question really.

2. WF Arti doesn’t use HW.

3. Expanded Clip feat requires 13 Artificer.

[Question2005]

1. Compare how? Strange question really.

2. WF Arti doesn’t use HW.

3. Expanded Clip feat requires 13 Artificer.

1. In terms of damage, how do they compare when leveling, especially in heroics?

3. It requires artificer 12.

I still dont understand how repeaters outdamage inquis now. From what I can gather, its because of shiradic procs? From the posts im finding, repeaters + expanded clip only matches the ROF of inquis, so how do repeaters outdamage inquis using the same shiradi procs? Either the ROF is actually significantly faster or repeaters are procing shiradi more because inquis rolls for proc effects less or something.

[Carpone]

Repeaters have 50 animations per minute, with 4 bolts per attack. Inquisitives have 75 animations per minute, with 2 bolts per attack. 200 attacks vs 150 attacks is how repeaters do more damage. Shiradi procs only apply to half the bolts for repeaters and Inquisitive due to the internal cooldown.

For heroic leveling, both repeaters and Inquisitive are fine. Inquisitive falls off considerably at end-game. Inquis at level 30 is about 30% lower damage compared to repeaters.

As for 12 vs 13 Artificer, you get an additional 5th level spell with the latter and you do more damage with the Rune Arm Blast. Compared to other limited choices, it's the most optimal.

[Carpone]

I don't see anyone asking this and I can't believe I am the first one. Are you willing to part with your calculator and publish it somewhere?

This game can use all the good tools that can get.

Perhaps in the future. Releasing the code right now would drown me in support questions, and that's not a can of worms I want to open. I also need to spend 8-10 hours on documentation, and that is not a priority right now. Ultimately I would like to turn it into an add-on for Dungeon Helper, but that's a loooong term goal and requires a complete code rewrite. That won't happen until I support melee builds. The biggest hurdle to that is obtaining the animations/minute (and during Haste Boost) at various BAB for TWF, SWF and THF.

[White]

Thank you...
25 stacks of archers focus? rofl
Yeah you used a test dummy or mobs think your feet stink lol
This is definitely a raid only concept using Consecration like that...just for bosses. With eleven people banging on a dude I guess it's easier to stand in a corner minding your own business going pew pew pew.... except everyone else except for two people are ranging too so whats plan B lol
It's not something you would do solo or with a buddy pretty sure.

Sounds like you are just looking for an argument when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

I played the Gnome build from this post with most of the gear recommended and upgraded stickerclick and it crushed r10s being top kills in most and r1-r8 raid bosses. 25 stacks happens almost instantly so laughing about that shows your ignorance. AF stacks paired with crusade on each pull makes taking down the main threat each time. One of the highest damage outputs I've seen in a long time. Carpone is a huge asset to this community and these builds give people like myself the opportunity to test them out and I can say I highly recommend Extended Clip Feat. and all the work done figuring out the best paths.

staying alive in high reaper is more on user error than building path. Also taking a good tank and healer is what you really should be talking about, not how this build isnt built like a tank.

[Tilomere]

The biggest hurdle to that is obtaining the animations/minute (and during Haste Boost) at various BAB for TWF, SWF and THF.

Maybe this helps. Animation speed caps at 25 BaB. I think all THF is using fast animation speed since THF revamp.

Unlike how he presents though, there have always been multiple ways to twitch in DDO, so ignore that column as incomplete, and the knowledge and playstyle required to achieve various numbers are beyond most players.

[Carpone]

Maybe this helps. Animation speed caps at 25 BaB. I think all THF is using fast animation speed since THF revamp.

Too much has changed with the game over 12 years to rely on Ua's data. I have various melee animation numbers from U45-ish, and I'm not confident those numbers are current enough.

[Monkey_Archer]

Too much has changed with the game over 12 years to rely on Ua's data. I have various melee animation numbers from U45-ish, and I'm not confident those numbers are current enough.

I dont have current SWF numbers, but I don't think it has changed since U45.

What I'm currently using, confirmed on live with +/- 1 attack:

Attacks per minute, BAB 25, haste:
TWF: 100
THF: 110
S&B: 104
Qstaff with 15%: 116


Attacks per minute, BAB 25, hasteboostx2 (including cooldown time)
TWF: 120
THF: 128
S&B: 128
Qstaff with 15%: 134

EDIT: fixed typo on THF speed, is 110 not 112

[SillyWallaby]

Heavy Repeater Halfling Artificer 13/Fighter 6/Rogue 1

Comments on the 13/6/1 build:
-In your ranged power list you have Manticore 2pc as a +5 when Manticore is 10 RP for 4pc, the 2 pc is +2 damage.
-There are a couple of spots(Double shot, sneak to hit, Int action boost) you list a bonus from Legendary Dreadnaught when you list Shiradi, Shadowdancer, and Crusader as your destinies.
-Battle Engineer Enhanced weapons is +1 (wep bonus/seeker) for each Core, it's not clear if you take both because you also list a +24 rune arm spellpower bonus, which should be +32 if you had the 2nd core. You also list +2 dmg/hit but only +1 seeker
-Lionheart Ring is +9 insightful Armor Piercing, you list a +10
-HW: Dauntless Marking is -25%, not -20%
-Tinker set is 30% fort bypass, you list 25%
-The Elec Spellpower is off, Good luck aug & shiradi don't stack as both are luck bonuses
-I think the dmg bonus vs a marked + FE is more than straight FE bonus, it doubles up in some way

Below is my take on a repeater build (that I haven't tried). I did just finish a 14arti/6fighter build that was fun.
Comparing to the 13/6/1 build:
Mine is -8 Ranged power
Mine is +10-30 double shot (+0-20 from killer)
Equal non burst sneak dmg (No rogue active PL in my build)
Mine has 2 higher base to hit, even sneak/boosted (Or I think +1 with haste, unsure if armor of speed stacks)
Mine has +1 seeker
Mine is +10 standing Fort bypass, -15 boosted (but missing boost is marked, which is party debuff)
Mine is +6 Int, +3 more during action boost
Mine has higher spell crit dmg (from Epic Spellpower: Force instead of a metal bypass)
Mine has 200+ more spellpower
Mine has more FE bonus dmg vs my selected enemies, you get vs all marked
My base dmg is 6.75 less (you count +6 marked vs all) or 8.25 more vs my favored enemies
My build happens to have dmg boost (If/when fullisade runs out), which I understand is worse than Haste for DPS, but better than nothing XD
I'm missing competence crit bonuses, you get +1 mult. I do get sniper shot +2/+2 and aimed shot +0/+1 though.

I wonder how the small looking differences in RP, Doubleshot, and base dmg come out through your calculation. Missing +1 mult is probably a bigger difference.

Does your build have any heroic clicky attacks, and does your calculation take them into account?
This build gets:
Sniper Shot, 6s CD, +4 hit, +2W +2/+2, very strong
Aimed Shot, 10s CD, +10 hit, +0/+1, which allows stacking focus while moving because it's +3x3 heroic, and +3x4 epic. Stacks don't clear all at once, you get enough to build them up if you shoot on CD
Merciful Shot, 15s CD, +3W +500, 100% rangedpower scaling on sneak attack @<50% hp. first hits can bring the hp low enough for later hits to proc the bonus
Leg Shot, 10s CD, +2W 50% slow
Head Shot, 12s CD, +5W is a crit (if confirmed)

(Attempt to follow your format)
True Neutral Warforged Artificer 13/Ranger 6/ Fighter 1
12 STR
14 DEX
18 CON
18 INT

1 Artificer Point Blank Shot {Rapid Reload}
3 Ranger Completionist, Favored enemy: Evil Outsider
4 Ranger {Rapid Shot}, +1 Int
5 Ranger
6 Ranger Precision {Precise Shot}
7 Ranger Favored enemy: Vermin
8 Ranger +1 Int
9 Artificer Insightful Reflexes
10 Artificer Ranged Weapons
11 Artificer
12 Artificer Dodge, +1 Int
13 Artificer
14 Artificer Improved Precise Shot
15 Artificer Mobility
16 Artificer +1 Int
17 Artificer
18 Artificer Nimble Fingers, {Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons}
19 Artificer
20 Fighter Shot on the Run, +1 Int
21 Expanded Clip
22 Epic Spellpower: Force
24 Combat Archery, +1 Int
25 Doubleshot
27 Overwhelming Critical
28 Harbinger of Chaos, +1 Int
30 Watchful Eye, Scion of the Ethereal Plane

16 WF: Weapon Attachment
28 BE: Fusillade and 10% dshot
36 DWS: T5
12 Harper: FE:Construct/KtA
2 Vistani & Falconry: FE: undead & animal
(Could change BE core4 & vistanit/falconry for Kensai: Action Boost 2 )

Shiradi (33): All T5 except Stay Good & DC's.
Shadowdancer (16): Core 3, Technician 3, Cover of Darkness 3, Dance in the Dark 3, Shadowstriker, Grim Precision 2
Legendary Dreadnought (14): Core 3, Push Through the Line 3, Extra Action Boost 3, Strike Twice 3, Life and Death, Shrug Off Punishment

(Gear copied from builder output, not as nice looking as yours)
Armor Legendary Red Dragonscale Docent ·Drops in: Raid: The Vault of Night, 25 Red Dragon scales and Shard
+15 Enhancement Bonus
Dripping with Magma
Fire Lore +22%
Combustion +151
Fire Resistance +54
Fire Guard II
Incineration Guard
Construct Fortification (10%)
Colorless: Empty augment slot
Blue: Empty augment slot
Legendary Soul of the Red Dragon
Belt Legendary Bronze Dragonscale Belt Drops in: Quest: Security Detail
Constitution +13
Healing Amplification +53
Insightful False Life +24
Lifesealed 34
Blue: Piercing Mind
This augment will suppress any set bonus this item may have.
Boots Legendary Shackles ·Drops in: Quest: Against the Slavelords
Legendary Slavelords Prefix: Fortification +142%
Legendary Slavelords Suffix: Spell Power Force +142
Legendary Slavelords Extra: Listen +20
Legendary Slavelords Bonus: Quality listen +5
Legendary Slavelords Set Bonus: Empty augment slot
Bracers Devilscale Bracers ·Drops in: U47 Raid: Legendary Vision of Destruction
Improved Deception
Assassinate +6
Insightful Assassinate +2
Deception 11
Yellow: Essence of the Cracked Core
Blue: Empty augment slot
Mantle of Suulomades
Cloak Legendary Mantle of the Dwarven Commander Drops in: Quest: Graveyard Shift
Intelligence +13
Quality Intelligence +3
Combat Mastery +10
Quality Reflex Save +2
Green: Perfect Silence
This augment will suppress any set bonus this item may have.
Gloves Legendary Tinkerer's Gloves Drops in: U47 Raid: Legendary Lord of Blades
Reflex Save +11
Insightful Seeker +6
Quality Seeker +3
Nearly Finished (Dexterity EIQ): Empty augment slot
Green: Empty augment slot
Blue: Empty augment slot
Tyrannical Tinkerer
Goggles Legendary Tinkerer's Goggles ·Drops in: U47 Raid: Legendary Master Artificer
Melee Alacrity 15%
Insightful Deception +5
Quality Deception +2
Nearly Finished (Intelligence EIQ): +6 Insightful Intelligence
Yellow: +2 Festive Intelligence
Green: +32 Sapphire of Physical Resistance Rating
Tyrannical Tinkerer
Helmet Helm of the Final Watcher Drops in: Raid: Project Nemesis
Seeker +13
Quality Deadly +3
Accuracy +21
Insightful Doubleshot +4%
Green: Empty augment slot
Yellow: Perfect Silence
This augment will suppress any set bonus this item may have.
Legendary Wallwatch (Suppressed by selected augment)
Necklace Legendary Family Recruit Sigil ·Drops in: Quest: House of Pain
True Seeing
Armor-Piercing +20
Deadly +10
Relentless Fury
Yellow: Perfect Silence
This augment will suppress any set bonus this item may have.
Legendary Part of the Family (Suppressed by selected augment)
Ring1 Legendary Lionheart Ring ·Drops in: U48 Quest: The Thornwrite
Stunning +15
Action Boost Enhancement
Insightful Armor-Piercing +9
Insightful Constitution +6
Green: Piercing Mind
This augment will suppress any set bonus this item may have.
Eminence of Summer (Suppressed by selected augment)
Ring2 Bound Elemental Ring of Acid ·Drops in: U47 Raid: Legendary Master Artificer
Acid Lore +22%
Corrosion +148
Alchemical Earth Attunement
Spell Penetration +9
Yellow: Piercing Mind
This augment will suppress any set bonus this item may have.
Green: Ranged Power: 10
Chained Elementals (Suppressed by selected augment)
Trinket The Heart of Suulomades Drops in: U47 Raid: Legendary Vision of Destruction.
Quality Constitution +3
Resistance +11
Devil's Blood
Devil's Bones +23%
Blue: Globe of True Imperial Blood
Green: +48 Sapphire of False Life
Yellow: Essence of the Epic Litany of the Dead
Mantle of Suulomades
Filigree 1: Zarigan's Arcane Enlightenment/Voltaic Experiment: +2 Intelligence(Rare Version)
Filigree 2: Spines of the Manticore/The Wreath of Flame: +6 Ranged Power(Rare Version)
Filigree 3: Crackshot Negotiator: Ranged Power(Rare Version)
Weapon1 Stickerclick, the Bitter Hail of Bolts ·Drops in: Raid: Project Nemesis
Damage and Type 5[1d10+3] + 15 Pierce, Magic
Critical Threat Range 19-20 x2
+15 Enhancement Bonus
Sovereign Vorpal
Bleeding 6
Ranged Alacrity 20%
Red: Empty augment slot
Nearly Finished: Purple Augment Slot (Sharn)
Almost There (FoU): Fetters of Unreality
Finishing Touch: Completed Weapon
Purple: Empty augment slot
Sentient Weapon Personality: Sentient Jewel of the Hopeful
Filigree 1: Zarigan's Arcane Enlightenment/Voltaic Experiment: +2 Intelligence(Rare Version)
Filigree 2: Spines of the Manticore/The Wreath of Flame: +6 Ranged Power(Rare Version)
Filigree 3: Crackshot Negotiator: Ranged Power(Rare Version)
Filigree 4: Crackshot Negotiator: Attack and Damage
Filigree 5: Crackshot Negotiator: Reflex
Filigree 6: Voltaic Experiment: Doubleshot(Rare Version)
Filigree 7: Shattered Device: Ranged Power(Rare Version)
Filigree 8: Shattered Device: Attack and Damage(Rare Version)
Filigree 9: Shattered Device: Armor Piercing(Rare Version)
Weapon2 The Legendary Dumpster Fire Drops in: Quest: Scavenger Hunt
Trash Shot
Maximum Charge Tier 5
Combustion +142
Fire Lore +21%
Shield Bonus +13
Rune Arm Imbue Bludgeon V
Rune Arm Imbue Fire V
Green: Empty augment slot

Minor Arti:
Zarigan's Arcane Enlightenment/Voltaic Experiment: +2 Intelligence(Rare Version)
Spines of the Manticore/The Wreath of Flame: +6 Ranged Power(Rare Version)
Crackshot Negotiator: Ranged Power(Rare Version)

Sentient Jewel:
Zarigan's Arcane Enlightenment/Voltaic Experiment: +2 Intelligence(Rare Version)
Spines of the Manticore/The Wreath of Flame: +6 Ranged Power(Rare Version)
Crackshot Negotiator: Ranged Power(Rare Version)
Crackshot Negotiator: Attack and Damage
Crackshot Negotiator: Reflex
Voltaic Experiment: Doubleshot(Rare Version)
Shattered Device: Ranged Power(Rare Version)
Shattered Device: Attack and Damage(Rare Version)
Shattered Device: Armor Piercing(Rare Version)

Iconic Stance: Shadar-kai
Martial Stance: Skills
Divine Stance: Ancient Blessings
Primal Stance: Doubleshot
Arcane Stance: Enchant Weapon
Destiny Mantle: Shiradi Prism
Epic Strike: Hunts End

Ranged Power:
005 Shattered Device: Ranged Power rare
010 Manticore/Wreath Ranged Power rare
010 Manticore/Wreath Ranged Power rare
005 Crackshot: Ranged Power rare
005 Crackshot: Ranged Power rare
015 Crackshot 3pc
002 Voltaic: Doubleshot rare
004 Remnant Tome
005 Scion of Ethereal
060 Epic Power x10
015 Artifact
003 Reaper’s Shot I
003 Reaper’s Shot II
003 Reaper’s Shot III
006 Reaper’s Shot IV
006 Reaper’s Shot V
001 Reaper’s Offense V
002 Reaper’s Offense VI
036 Epic Destiny cores x9
125 Archer’s Focus (25 stacks)
010 Ranged Power Augment
002 Weapon Focus: Ranged
006 Shot on the Run
015 WF: Frontlines
010 DWS: Improved Archers Focus
TBD Mythic/Reaper items
--
364 standing ranged power
030 Shiradi: Inexorable Advance
--
394 realistic boosted ranged power
020 Deadly Rain 5pc swap for Action Boost
015 Long Lasting Elixir of Ranged Power

Doubleshot:
05 Crackshot 4pc
03 Shattered Device 3pc
01 Voltaic Experiment
02 Voltaic Experiment 3pc
10 Doubleshot epic feat
09 Doubleshot epic past life x3
08 Item
04 Insightful Item
06 Shiradi: Phase Double
05 Shiradi: Pierce Deception
05 Shadowdancer: Shadowstriker
06 Legendary Dreadnought: Strike Twice
02 Guide Ship: Seasoned Archer
15 Artifact set bonus
10 Battle Engineer: Agility Engine
20 DWS: Strike Like Lightning
—
111 standing doubleshot
030 Reaper’s Strike // 20 Killer
--
141 // 131 -> 161(both) burst doubleshot

Sneak Attack Dice: 19

Sneak Attack Damage:
003 Past Life: Rogue x3
017 Deception (+11 item)
008 Insightful Deception (+5 item)
004 Quality Deception (+2 item)
021 Scion of Ethereal Plane
10.5 Artifact (Perfect Silence)
10.5 Shadowdancer: Core 3
10.5 Shadowdancer: Dance in the Dark
10.5 DWS: Core 1+2 & Stealthy 3
3.5 Technician + Nimble Fingers
—-
098.5 sustained sneak attack damage

Weapon To-Hit:
030 Base Attack Bonus
015 Weapon enhancement
021 Accuracy item
003 Fighter PL x3
037 Int bonus
003 Arcane Enchant Weapon PL x3
004 Morale Greater Heroism augment
001 Crackshot Attack and Damage filigree
001 Shattered Device Attack and Damage filigree
003 Shattered Device 2pc bonus
001 Reaper’s Offence I
001 Reaper’s Offence II
002 Reaper’s Offence IV
002 Ship Proving Ground
001 Point Blank Shot
002 Potion of Prowess
002 Battle Engineer: Infused Weapons II
001 Battle Engineer: Weapon Training 1
001 Battle Engineer: Weapon Training 2
001 Battle Engineer: Weapon Training 3
001 Battle Engineer: Weapon Training 4
001 Harper: Weapon Enhancement
001 Weapon Focus: Ranged
002 Legendary Dreadnought Weapon Master
-02 Yugo pot (Essence of Betrayal)
--
135 TBD to-hit, plus 5% from Precision
011 Deception item
005 Insightful Deception
002 Quality Deception
006 Yugo pot (Essence of Betrayal)
001 Armor of Speed
--
160 sneak attack to-hit, plus 5% from Precision

Critical Confirmation and Damage:
13 Seeker item
06 Insightful Seeker item
03 Quality Seeker item
06 Guild Ship
02 Battle Engineer: Infused Weapons II
--
29

Fortification Bypass:
025 Precision
020 Item
009 Insightful Item
005 Shiradi: Vision (core 2)
010 Shadowdancer: Grim Precision 2
005 Guild Ship: Trapsmith’s Workshop
005 Shattered Device: Fortification Bypass
030 Artifact: Tyrannical Tinkerer
--
109 standing fortification bypass against marked targets
020 Shiradi: Track
015 Destruction (Deconstructor)
--
144 debuffed fortification bypass

INT:
18 Base
07 Level ups
02 Racial PLs
02 Completionist
02 Racial Completionist
08 Tome
01 Artificer: Battle Engineer
01 Harper Core
13 Item
06 Insightful Item
03 Quality Item
03 Artifact augment set
02 Profane
01 Exceptional augment
02 Festive augment
01 Reaper core
04 In Reaper
02 Ship buff
02 Remnant potion
02 Yugo
04 x2 Raid Filigree
--
86 INT
03 Legendary Dreadnought: Push Through the Line

Force Crit Damage:
05 Base
15 Epic Spellpower
--
20% crit dmg
10% crit Others

Force Crit Chance:
05 Magical Training
--
05% crit chance
22% Fire

Force Spellpower:
002 Completionist
002 Racial Completionist
001 Dragonborn PL
001 Tiefling PL
003 Artificer PL x3
023 Spellcraft ranks
010 Epic ranks to all skills
003 Martial Skills PL x3
038 INT modifier
004 USP (Remnant Tome)
002 USP (Reaper’s Arcanum IV)
004 USP (Reaper’s Arcanum V)
042 USP (Reaper’s Arcana)
004 USP (Greater Heroism)
003 Skill(Luck) (Shiradi Good Luck 3)
005 USP (Shiradi Fey Favor)
005 USP (Shiradi Vision)
005 USP (Shiradi Audience with the Queen)
005 USP (Shiradi Fey Form)
010 USP (Shiradi Feywild Attunement)
030 Force (Shiradi USP is USP + Force)
030 Force+USP (Shadowdancer cores 1,2,3)
060 USP (Epic Power - 10 levels)
025 Alchemical (Commendation of Heroism potion)
032 Rune Arm Charged Tier 5
142 Equipment Slavers
010 Voltaic Experiment 2pc
TBD Mythic/Reaper items
--
501
465 Fire (-45 ED Force, +9 equipment)

Favored Enemy Damage:
02 Evil Outsider: Ranger
02 Fey: Shiradi
02 Vermin: Ranger
02 Undead: Vistani
02 Animal: Falconry
02 Construct: Harper
--
12 Favored Enemy damage

Damage [1d10+3]
51 Base 5[W] + Sovereign Vorpal 0.5[W] + Completed Weapon 0.5[W]
8.5 Point Blank Range 1[W]
8.5 Combat Archery 1[W]
4.25 Weapon Attachment .5[w]
015 Enhancement Bonus
2.125 Guild Ship Ninja Assassin .25[W]
038 INT modifier (Insightful Damage spell)
003 Quality Deadly - Helm of the Final Watcher
019 Insightful Deadly
010 Deadly
003 Arcane Enchant Weapon PL x3
003 Monk Past Life x3
006 Ranger Past Life x3
002 Manticore 2pc bonus
001 Crackshot Attack and Damage filigree
001 Shattered Device Attack and Damage filigree
003 Shattered Device 2pc bonus
001 Reaper’s Offense I
001 Reaper’s Offense II
002 Reaper’s Offense IV
002 Good Hope clicky item
002 Potion of Prowess
002 Battle Engineer: Infused Weapons II
001 Battle Engineer: Weapon Training 2
001 Battle Engineer: Weapon Training 4
001 Harper: Weapon Enhancement
002 Legendary Dreadnought Weapon Master
---
193.375 (+2 vs <50% HP) average base dmg against marked targets
015 vs Favored Enemy
---
208.375

Crit Profile:
19-20/x2 Repeating Heavy Crossbow Base
17-20/x2 Improved Critical: Ranged feat
17-18/x2, 19-20/x3 Overwhelming Critical feat
17-18/x2, 19-20/x4 Shiradi Lore of the Hunt
---
17-18/x3, 19-20/x5 Aimed Shot
15-20/x4, 19-20/x6 Sniper Shot

Builder Export:

Character name:
Classes: 13 Artificer, 10 Epic, 6 Ranger, 1 Fighter
Race: Warforged · · · · · ·Alignment: Neutral

· · ·Start Tome Final · · ·Incorp:· · ·0% · · ·Displacement:· ·25%
Str:· · 12· · 8 · ·28 · · ·HP:· · · ·2280 · · ·AC:· ·105
Dex:· · 14· · 8 · ·37 · · ·PRR: · · · 127
Con:· · 18· · 8 · ·64 · · ·MRR: · · 64/50 · · ·+Healing Amp:· ·131
Int:· · 18· · 8 · ·85 · · ·Dodge: · 10/25 · · ·-Healing Amp:· · 18
Wis:· · ·6· · 8 · ·23 · · ·Fort:· · ·202% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · 18
Cha:· · ·6· · 8 · ·24 · · ·SR:· · · · · 0 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 30
DR: 10\Cold Iron
Immunities: Sleep, Energy Drain, Nausea, Sickness, Exhaustion, Paralysis, , Magic Missiles, Energy Drain, Fear, Death Effects, Charm, Poison, Fear

Enhancements: 80 APs, Racial 15, Universal 1
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Warforged - Points spent: 16
1 Core ·(1) Improved Fortification I
2 Core ·(2) Constitution I
3 Core ·(1) Improved Fortification II
4 Core ·(2) Constitution II
5 Core ·(1) Improved Fortification III
6 Tier1 (1) Repair Systems: Healer's Friend
7 Tier1 (1) Repair Systems: Healer's Friend
8 Tier1 (1) Repair Systems: Healer's Friend
9 Tier3 (1) Memories of the Last War I: Front Lines
10 Tier1 (2) Construct Toughness I
11 Tier2 (2) Construct Toughness II
12 Tier4 (1) Weapon Attachment
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Deepwood Stalker - Points spent: 36
1 Core ·(1) Far Shot
2 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
3 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
4 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
5 Tier1 (1) Favored Defense
6 Tier2 (2) Survivalist I
7 Tier2 (1) Action Boost: Melee/Ranged Power Boost
8 Tier2 (1) Action Boost: Melee/Ranged Power Boost
9 Tier2 (1) Action Boost: Melee/Ranged Power Boost
10 Core ·(1) Sneak Attack
11 Core ·(1) Called Shot: Sniper Shot
12 Tier3 (2) Survivalist II
13 Tier3 (2) Aimed Shot
14 Tier3 (1) Favored Hunter
15 Tier3 (1) Favored Hunter
16 Tier3 (1) Favored Hunter
17 Tier3 (1) Thrill of the Hunt
18 Tier4 (1) Killer
19 Tier4 (2) Merciful Shot
20 Tier4 (2) Leg Shot
21 Tier4 (1) Killer
22 Tier4 (1) Killer
23 Tier4 (2) Survivalist III
24 Tier3 (1) Thrill of the Hunt
25 Tier5 (2) Improved Archer's Focus
26 Tier5 (2) Head Shot
27 Tier5 (2) Strikes Like Lightning
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Battle Engineer - Points spent: 28
1 Core ·(1) attle Engineer
2 Tier1 (2) Weapon Training I: Crossbow Training I
3 Tier1 (1) Thaumaturgical Conduits
4 Tier1 (1) Thaumaturgical Conduits
5 Core ·(1) Infused Weapons I
6 Tier1 (1) Thaumaturgical Conduits
7 Tier2 (2) Extra Action Boost
8 Tier2 (2) Extra Action Boost
9 Tier2 (2) Extra Action Boost
10 Tier2 (2) Weapon Training II: Crossbow Training II
11 Tier3 (2) Weapon Training III: Crossbow Training III
12 Tier3 (2) Ability I: +1 Intelligence
13 Core ·(1) Infused Armor I
14 Tier4 (2) Weapon Training IV: Crossbow Training IV
15 Tier4 (2) Battle Mastery: Endless Fusilade
16 Tier4 (1) Agility Engine
17 Tier4 (1) Agility Engine
18 Tier4 (1) Agility Engine
19 Core ·(1) Infused Weapons II
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Harper Agent - Points spent: 12
1 Core ·(1) Agent of Good I
2 Tier1 (2) Harper Enchantment
3 Tier1 (2) Strategic Combat I
4 Tier2 (1) Know the Angles
5 Tier2 (1) Know the Angles
6 Tier2 (1) Know the Angles
7 Core ·(2) Harper Training I: +1 Intelligence
8 Tier3 (2) Know Your Foe: Favored enemy: Construct
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Vistani Knife Fighter - Points spent: 2
1 Core ·(1) Knife Expertise
2 Tier1 (1) Undead Hunter
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Falconry - Points spent: 2
1 Core ·(1) Summon Falcon: Summon Raven
2 Tier1 (1) Hunter's Knowledge
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Epic Destinies: 40 APs
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Shiradi Champion - Points spent: 33
1 Core ·(1) Fey Favor
2 Tier1 (2) Shiradi Strike: Hunt's End
3 Tier1 (1) Prism
4 Tier1 (1) Fey Sight
5 Core ·(1) Vision
6 Tier2 (1) Stay: Stay Good
7 Tier2 (1) Stay: Stay Good
8 Tier2 (1) Stay: Stay Good
9 Tier2 (1) Phase Double
10 Tier2 (1) Phase Double
11 Tier2 (1) Phase Double
12 Tier2 (1) Shiradi Power: Pin
13 Core ·(1) Audience with the Queen
14 Tier3 (2) Fey Force: Fey Force
15 Tier3 (1) Improved Shiradi Power: Otto's Whistlery
16 Tier3 (2) Pierce Deception
17 Tier3 (2) Double Rainbow
18 Tier4 (1) Enemy of my Own
19 Tier4 (1) Track
20 Tier4 (1) Fey Form
21 Tier4 (2) Overwhelming Force: Overwhelming Force
22 Tier1 (1) Good Luck
23 Tier1 (1) Good Luck
24 Tier1 (1) Good Luck
25 Tier1 (1) Fey Sight
26 Tier5 (1) Epic Moment: Inexorable Advance
27 Tier5 (1) Feywild Attunement
28 Tier5 (1) Lore of the Hunt
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Shadowdancer - Points spent: 16
1 Core ·(1) The Darkest Luck I
2 Tier1 (1) Cover of Darkness
3 Tier1 (1) Cover of Darkness
4 Tier1 (1) Cover of Darkness
5 Tier1 (1) Technician
6 Core ·(1) The Darkest Luck II
7 Tier2 (1) Dance in the Dark
8 Tier2 (1) Dance in the Dark
9 Tier2 (1) Dance in the Dark
10 Tier1 (1) Technician
11 Core ·(1) The Darkest Luck III
12 Tier3 (2) Shadowcaster: Shadowstriker
13 Tier1 (1) Technician
14 Tier3 (1) Grim Precision
15 Tier3 (1) Grim Precision
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Legendary Dreadnought - Points spent: 14
1 Core ·(1) Fearless
2 Tier1 (1) Push Through The Line
3 Tier1 (1) Push Through The Line
4 Tier1 (1) Push Through The Line
5 Tier1 (1) Shrug Off Punishment
6 Core ·(1) Weaponmaster
7 Tier2 (1) Extra Action Boosts
8 Tier2 (1) Extra Action Boosts
9 Tier2 (1) Extra Action Boosts
10 Tier2 (1) Life and Death
11 Core ·(1) Thick Skinned
12 Tier3 (1) Strike Twice
13 Tier3 (1) Strike Twice
14 Tier3 (1) Strike Twice
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[Carpone]

Thank you for the detailed response. I very much appreciate it, and I've updated the guide with the corrections.

> Does your build have any heroic clicky attacks

Sneak of Shadows. It's included in the epic moment and full boost numbers.

Based on the various builds I've put through the blender, the multiplier is going to matter more than the RP/dmg/etc delta with the build you proposed. When I have the time, I'll rerun the numbers with the corrections and compare them with your 14/6 split.

[Carpone]

What I'm currently using, confirmed on live with +/- 1 attack:

Attacks per minute, BAB 25, haste:
TWF: 100
THF: 112
S&B: 104
Qstaff with 15%: 116

Attacks per minute, BAB 25, hasteboostx2 (including cooldown time)
TWF: 120
THF: 128
S&B: 128
Qstaff with 15%: 134

Do you have any unarmed, wolf or bear numbers? Based on some older numbers, unarmed, wolf and bear had slightly higher per minute than TWF or THF. But I have no idea if that's before or after the 30->20% attack speed changes with wolf.

Is that S&B number with or without shield bashing?

Based on your numbers, during Haste Boost:
TWF: 43
THF: 45
S&B: 45
Qstaff: 47

I'm also interested in non-BAB 25 values anyone has. For example, Thief Acrobat (Rogue 20) is only BAB 20. I know there's a difference between 20 and 25 BAB but I just don't know how much of a delta it is.

[Monkey_Archer]

Do you have any unarmed, wolf or bear numbers? Based on some older numbers, unarmed, wolf and bear had slightly higher per minute than TWF or THF. But I have no idea if that's before or after the 30->20% attack speed changes with wolf.

Is that S&B number with or without shield bashing?

Based on your numbers, during Haste Boost:
TWF: 43
THF: 45
S&B: 45
Qstaff: 47

I'm also interested in non-BAB 25 values anyone has. For example, Thief Acrobat (Rogue 20) is only BAB 20. I know there's a difference between 20 and 25 BAB but I just don't know how much of a delta it is.

I currently cant confirm any SWF on live atm, what I have confirmed is:

Style
BAB 25
20 sec HB
HB avg
BAB 20
20 sec HB
HB avg

TWF
100
44
120
98
42
116

THF
110
45
128
104
43
121

S&B
104
46
128
100
44
124

unarmed
113
51
140




staff
103
43
121




15% staff
116
48
134
114
45
128

Bear
105
48
130
104
46
128

Wolf 20%
129
55
152
128
55
152

Wolf 10%
118
50
138
116
50
138

Wolf twitch
152
60
172
150
60
170

[Dokfin]

If you don't have alot of racial points and destiny points which build would you recommend?

Thank you

[SillyWallaby]

How do Needle and Stickerclick compare, is there some +dmg bonus that would make Needle better with it's x3 multiplier(it also has a W of [1d12] vs [d10+3] Stickerclick)?

For builds that blast with the rune arm, any idea on the DPS diff between 5pc Technomage +20% charge rate vs weapon DPS filigree?

[Deathmaster35]

do these damage tests reflect real game data or just simulation data? from personal experience even with the new feat, repeaters just don't compare to inquisitive.
I haven't tested with a legendary elemental feat, I used aborea and I only had 7 filigree in the weapon, but the reaper did significantly less damage. just running around doing quests on r1 it was very noticeable.
does an elemental damage legendary feat and the extra three filigree seriously make up for the reduced doubleshot and lower base damage per shot from the the repeater's damage penalties?

[Epicsoul]

If you don't have alot of racial points and destiny points which build would you recommend?

Thank you

The gnome builds requires racial points to work. The WF Arti20 build could work without a lot of PLs.

How do Needle and Stickerclick compare, is there some +dmg bonus that would make Needle better with it's x3 multiplier(it also has a W of [1d12] vs [d10+3] Stickerclick)?

For builds that blast with the rune arm, any idea on the DPS diff between 5pc Technomage +20% charge rate vs weapon DPS filigree?

Needle is only 2.5W compared to Stickerclick's 5.5W. Stickerclick also has vulnerability. There's not comparison, Stickerclick leave's Needle in the dust.

As for the rune arm blast, I've tried both the Technomage set vs others. I prefer the other set up, because I don't think the +20% charge rate made up for what I lost.

do these damage tests reflect real game data or just simulation data? from personal experience even with the new feat, repeaters just don't compare to inquisitive.
I haven't tested with a legendary elemental feat, I used aborea and I only had 7 filigree in the weapon, but the reaper did significantly less damage. just running around doing quests on r1 it was very noticeable.
does an elemental damage legendary feat and the extra three filigree seriously make up for the reduced doubleshot and lower base damage per shot from the the repeater's damage penalties?

Basing an opinion off 'feels' is not real game data. Math is math. I'm currently running inquisitive on my WF arti, and while it does decent damage, it is by no means doing more than my repeater build. You don't provide enough information to determine why that wouldn't be true for you.

[PedXing20]

do these damage tests reflect real game data or just simulation data? from personal experience even with the new feat, repeaters just don't compare to inquisitive.
I haven't tested with a legendary elemental feat, I used aborea and I only had 7 filigree in the weapon, but the reaper did significantly less damage. just running around doing quests on r1 it was very noticeable.
does an elemental damage legendary feat and the extra three filigree seriously make up for the reduced doubleshot and lower base damage per shot from the the repeater's damage penalties?

Caveat: I have not built nor played this. It was created as a math exercise, so the feat order and prerequisites may require adjustment and may not be the most optimal choice when leveling up.

Right at the top of the document?

[Deathmaster35]

Right at the top of the document?

yeah, but that was 3 months ago and I wanted to see if it had been tested yet

[Deathmaster35]

Basing an opinion off 'feels' is not real game data. Math is math. I'm currently running inquisitive on my WF arti, and while it does decent damage, it is by no means doing more than my repeater build. You don't provide enough information to determine why that wouldn't be true for you.

I am basing off easily observable experiences, not "feels" when running content solo it is very obvious when one setup you clear the quest easily and another setup you struggle.
this wasn't a one off thing, I ran repeater for a couple of hours to help a guild mate get gear and got fed up with it and switched back to inquisitive as it killed things faster. I don't need to run a timer or count shots per minute for this, as it was very obvious there was a significant difference in damage.
as I said, I had aboreal instead of one of the elemental damage feats, so it sounds like that is what would make the difference. I don't see how though just from how reapers work, but I will try it next life I do as inquisitive