Summoner build is viable now but needs lv 30 to work

[newmart]

I've tried mage and druid summoner builds and they are completely viable now, and actually the better way to play Primal now.

They are not much different from standard caster build, people say that summons needs a lot investiment but its really one heroic feat and a epic feat. Harper enhancements are not all that necessary, but druid physical resistance for pet and skelly in pale master are mandatory. THey are not useless since they also gives bonus too you (3 spellpower and 15 physical ressitance).

Up to lv 24 its better to not invest much besides augument summoning. But after improved augument summoning their tankness raises considerably (also stacking epic summon buff) and finally at lv cap that comes the really big investment: Scion of Elysium or not.

It is mostly a matter of choice if u want that pets tank for u or um get more damage and dc. Bear in mind that its possible to have Wolf, a summon and a Dryad. For a short time, u can even have 2 dryad and she does not despawn summons or the other dryad.

Living meteor has the best Dps of all sumons by large margin, has srong cc via cometfall and thematically fits fire options in primal. Gargoyle is the most tanky. At low hp enters in cocoon mode like ordinary gargoyles, becoming even more resistant, and regenerate all hp.

Lich can land some webs and uses Ghoul touch when attacked by melee. Both have dc to work R3 i've seen so far. For artificers Golem is a obviously choice, but the type of golem is random. Iron golem can be pretty tanky too plus all repair u can do on him.

Also, now its easier to get Epic Wolf Whistle, i got one and i dont know if its intended but currently, the Epic Thaarak Hound DO NOT REMOVE YOUR CURRENT SUMMON (please devs do not change THAT!) . So now u can have up to 5 pets during figths. Thaarak uses phantasmal killer a lot with astronomical DC (Like u dream Lich will be someday)

Druid is best suitted for the use of Scion of Elysium because of Pack spell, that has no CD and provokes a intimi check with +20 bonus drawing agro to pets. Never saw this fail.

On the other hand, since they are tanking to you u can be more offensive in your gear, what offsets the feat investiment.

U better see yourselves.

[Ulfo]

Wolfs... hounds... lich... Try some Legendry Black Ooze from LGS Repeater... And when i say some, i mean - horde!

[MaximusParthas]

A summons build is annoying in groups but great for solo play.
Then there's the issue of bots glitching up and doing nothing. Just standing there looking like monster lunch. They will also run around the dungeon agrroing everything in multiple directions.

[Ultinoob]

At what difficulty do you think they are viable?

I tried a druid summoner life last life. it was doable on r1 to solo. But a lot of things are doable for soloing reaper 1.

But spending 3 feats - augment summoning, improved augment summoning and scion of elysium - is a really big investment.
Also spending 3 filigrees on cry for battle is a lot.
Lastly there are the enhancements and yes you can do without harper, but it's hard at mid heroics.
I spend 8 action points in natures warrior to get brother wolf which really helped at low levels.

I think 8 to 16 enhancement points and 3 feats - one legendary - and 3 filigrees is a really big investment on something that is only somewhat useful.

I played with the dryad summoning from primal avatar and living meteor swarm from magus. Then i had the legendary wolf whistle for the cr 52 werewolf for end fights.
Then i had all the level 30 gold seal hirelings.
None of this seemed to matter that much.
I was better of spending 2 epic feats on ruin and greater ruin and the destiny points in draconic.

To me this is still not worth the investment. A thing that kept bugging me was how much time i had to spend in the beginning of each quest to buff the hirelings.

But due note that the level 15 hireling Larafay Do'rret casts destruction which seemed to land even in mid epics on r1....

It can be a fun build, but not worth it unless it is for fun. Just my 2 cents

[newmart]

At what difficulty do you think they are viable?

I tried a druid summoner life last life. it was doable on r1 to solo. But a lot of things are doable for soloing reaper 1.

But spending 3 feats - augment summoning, improved augment summoning and scion of elysium - is a really big investment.
Also spending 3 filigrees on cry for battle is a lot.
Lastly there are the enhancements and yes you can do without harper, but it's hard at mid heroics.
I spend 8 action points in natures warrior to get brother wolf which really helped at low levels.

I think 8 to 16 enhancement points and 3 feats - one legendary - and 3 filigrees is a really big investment on something that is only somewhat useful.

I played with the dryad summoning from primal avatar and living meteor swarm from magus. Then i had the legendary wolf whistle for the cr 52 werewolf for end fights.
Then i had all the level 30 gold seal hirelings.
None of this seemed to matter that much.
I was better of spending 2 epic feats on ruin and greater ruin and the destiny points in draconic.

To me this is still not worth the investment. A thing that kept bugging me was how much time i had to spend in the beginning of each quest to buff the hirelings.

But due note that the level 15 hireling Larafay Do'rret casts destruction which seemed to land even in mid epics on r1....

It can be a fun build, but not worth it unless it is for fun. Just my 2 cents

All feats and enhancement, as u can read on them, its for tankness. The last summon tough, the one u got at lv 30 in primal, does decent damage (has double your casting status, and u can have 2). It will no stay alive if u dont invest the feats, so the viability its only at lv 30 in term of damage. Before that summon are occasionaly usefull and can tank some bosses r1-3 for long enough to be useful.

Also a Feydark illusionist PK killer can 4 PK adding thaark hound to the table, and feats are not wasted since they give u dc via feydark. Dc will not suffer if u chosse acid primal tree for exemple, and can enjoy powerfull summons added to the kills.

[dredre9987]

All feats and enhancement, as u can read on them, its for tankness. The last summon tough, the one u got at lv 30 in primal, does decent damage (has double your casting status, and u can have 2). It will no stay alive if u dont invest the feats, so the viability its only at lv 30 in term of damage. Before that summon are occasionaly usefull and can tank some bosses r1-3 for long enough to be useful.

Also a Feydark illusionist PK killer can 4 PK adding thaark hound to the table, and feats are not wasted since they give u dc via feydark. Dc will not suffer if u chosse acid primal tree for exemple, and can enjoy powerfull summons added to the kills.

As with every summoner "build", got a video ?

[newmart]

As with every summoner "build", got a video ?

I was building a bear druid to use summoner build + tank, but in the moment its impossible to use primal spells and be raged, even with beast awakened trained. This ruined my plans so i thinking another possibility.

[dredre9987]

I was building a bear druid to use summoner build + tank, but in the moment its impossible to use primal spells and be raged, even with beast awakened trained. This ruined my plans so i thinking another possibility.

So I ask every time someone brings up a build for summoning because frankly they don't work as stated. No one ever produces a video. They give me the same response as you did, ie, "it didn't work right".

And honestly your "excuse" of not being able to use primal spells while rage is a very poor excuse as raging is not going to have any meaningful difference. Show me a summon tanking a boss that is worthwhile to even pull the summon out.

[LurkingVeteran]

So I ask every time someone brings up a build for summoning because frankly they don't work as stated. No one ever produces a video. They give me the same response as you did, ie, "it didn't work right".

And honestly your "excuse" of not being able to use primal spells while rage is a very poor excuse as raging is not going to have any meaningful difference. Show me a summon tanking a boss that is worthwhile to even pull the summon out.

Not saying the OP is wrong, but I too would love to see a video. I'm also a bit confused by how Augment Summoning made such a huge difference when it's only +4 stats and +50% fort.

I'm also super confused by the thread title saying Summoner is viable now, but then mainly talks about the wolf and skeleton pets, only a little bit about the epic summons and nothing about heroic summons.

EDIT: Does anybody know how much HP that Great Summoner in T1 Magus adds? Does it stack with the similar enhancement in T3 Primal?

Great Summoner
Your summons, pets, and hirelings gain:
+4 to all Ability Scores
Increased Hit Points
100% Fortification
40% Increase to Movement Speed
Stacks with Augment Summoning and similar effects

[dredre9987]

Not saying the OP is wrong, but I too would love to see a video. I'm also a bit confused by how Augment Summoning made such a huge difference when it's only +4 stats and +50% fort.

I'm also super confused by the thread title saying Summoner is viable now, but then mainly talks about the wolf and skeleton pets, only a little bit about the epic summons and nothing about heroic summons.

And then can't get it to work excuse because he can't cast spells while raged.....

[newmart]

And then can't get it to work excuse because he can't cast spells while raged.....

I changed for caster, and pets are tanking final drow in LOD R1 with any problems (im lv 20, wolf lv 19). Using automatic heals from fire primal, i dont even need to worry about heal them.

For me this is a improvement, since most builds i do, say, rogues, rangers, some spells casters cant tank him outright at lv 20. Tank builds dont have damage to do it properly. but i have good damage and tankness (besides my feats are not spell oriented in this case)

But as i said, they tank better after lv 24 and dmg improvend only after shared mantle and final summon.

This build is meant for soloing above anything else. I did not said its top dps build, i said VIABLE. Actually better for solo than most builds. I will try to make a video once server back.

[jskinner937]

I was building a bear druid to use summoner build + tank, but in the moment its impossible to use primal spells and be raged, even with beast awakened trained. This ruined my plans so i thinking another possibility.

Does draconic cast while rage work? or shifter version?

[Gralhota]

I've tried mage and druid summoner builds and they are completely viable now, and actually the better way to play Primal now.

They are not much different from standard caster build, people say that summons needs a lot investiment but its really one heroic feat and a epic feat. Harper enhancements are not all that necessary, but druid physical resistance for pet and skelly in pale master are mandatory. THey are not useless since they also gives bonus too you (3 spellpower and 15 physical ressitance).

Up to lv 24 its better to not invest much besides augument summoning. But after improved augument summoning their tankness raises considerably (also stacking epic summon buff) and finally at lv cap that comes the really big investment: Scion of Elysium or not.

It is mostly a matter of choice if u want that pets tank for u or um get more damage and dc. Bear in mind that its possible to have Wolf, a summon and a Dryad. For a short time, u can even have 2 dryad and she does not despawn summons or the other dryad.

Living meteor has the best Dps of all sumons by large margin, has srong cc via cometfall and thematically fits fire options in primal. Gargoyle is the most tanky. At low hp enters in cocoon mode like ordinary gargoyles, becoming even more resistant, and regenerate all hp.

Lich can land some webs and uses Ghoul touch when attacked by melee. Both have dc to work R3 i've seen so far. For artificers Golem is a obviously choice, but the type of golem is random. Iron golem can be pretty tanky too plus all repair u can do on him.

Also, now its easier to get Epic Wolf Whistle, i got one and i dont know if its intended but currently, the Epic Thaarak Hound DO NOT REMOVE YOUR CURRENT SUMMON (please devs do not change THAT!) . So now u can have up to 5 pets during figths. Thaarak uses phantasmal killer a lot with astronomical DC (Like u dream Lich will be someday)

Druid is best suitted for the use of Scion of Elysium because of Pack spell, that has no CD and provokes a intimi check with +20 bonus drawing agro to pets. Never saw this fail.

On the other hand, since they are tanking to you u can be more offensive in your gear, what offsets the feat investiment.

U better see yourselves.

´´ Thaarak uses phantasmal killer a lot with astronomical DC``


I have been playing as a summoner for years and many of your arguments do not correspond to reality. Maybe there is a game difference between the servers. Game on Cannith.


Never, have I NEVER seen any of his magic work. Years of effort to make this item, yes I made it in the old craft model and this item is the biggest disappointment of this game.

It only lasts 5 minutes, it's not resistant and its damage is ridiculous.
PK with astronomical DC? In my game it's fake news! It rarely uses PK and when it does it always fails.

There is a lot of theory and glamor in relation to summons and people who come here on the forum bravando that summons are good, that they do and happen, they are never able to present a video.

[newmart]

Not saying the OP is wrong, but I too would love to see a video. I'm also a bit confused by how Augment Summoning made such a huge difference when it's only +4 stats and +50% fort.

I'm also super confused by the thread title saying Summoner is viable now, but then mainly talks about the wolf and skeleton pets, only a little bit about the epic summons and nothing about heroic summons.

EDIT: Does anybody know how much HP that Great Summoner in T1 Magus adds? Does it stack with the similar enhancement in T3 Primal?

Great Summoner
Your summons, pets, and hirelings gain:
+4 to all Ability Scores
Increased Hit Points
100% Fortification
40% Increase to Movement Speed
Stacks with Augment Summoning and similar effects

I fell a improve in tankness after lv 24. Also all summons recieve +5 prr and mrr per epic lv. This is +50 prr at lv 30. Wolf has acesso to amor that improves his prr also. Even heavy armor. Because of this buff their grow is exponential in epic lvs and poorly noticied any improvement in heroic lvs.

[newmart]

´´ Thaarak uses phantasmal killer a lot with astronomical DC``


I have been playing as a summoner for years and many of your arguments do not correspond to reality. Maybe there is a game difference between the servers. Game on Cannith.


Never, have I NEVER seen any of his magic work. Years of effort to make this item, yes I made it in the old craft model and this item is the biggest disappointment of this game.

It only lasts 5 minutes, it's not resistant and its damage is ridiculous.
PK with astronomical DC? In my game it's fake news! It rarely uses PK and when it does it always fails.

There is a lot of theory and glamor in relation to summons and people who come here on the forum bravando that summons are good, that they do and happen, they are never able to present a video.

I play on cannith, come with me do LOD when server opens. Xamanic.

[dredre9987]

I will try to make a video once server back.

I happily await your video.

[newmart]

I happily await your video.

Im at lv 20 poorly builded (because of the bear issue). I will try to make this one from lod, but dont expect dmg, real damage only comes at lv 30.

I forgot to say, using threat reduction from many tree and itens i reached -120 threat with my mage in last life and the result is very satisfying. U rarely get targeted. When this happens it was noticiable that shared mantle procs from pets are able to pull agro again, that occur every 6 seconds for each pet.

[Gralhota]

I play on cannith, come with me do LOD when server opens. Xamanic.

LOD on level 30?

LoD is quest level 21.


WPM, you can solo on R???

[newmart]

LOD on level 30?

LoD is quest level 21.


WPM, you can solo on R???

I am lv 20 at moment.

[Gralhota]

I am lv 20 at moment.

I agree with ´´needs level 30``.

First arrive at 30 please.


I am Gralhota on Cannith. i ill add you.