Summoner build is viable now but needs lv 30 to work

[newmart]

I've tried mage and druid summoner builds and they are completely viable now, and actually the better way to play Primal now.

They are not much different from standard caster build, people say that summons needs a lot investiment but its really one heroic feat and a epic feat. Harper enhancements are not all that necessary, but druid physical resistance for pet and skelly in pale master are mandatory. THey are not useless since they also gives bonus too you (3 spellpower and 15 physical ressitance).

Up to lv 24 its better to not invest much besides augument summoning. But after improved augument summoning their tankness raises considerably (also stacking epic summon buff) and finally at lv cap that comes the really big investment: Scion of Elysium or not.

It is mostly a matter of choice if u want that pets tank for u or um get more damage and dc. Bear in mind that its possible to have Wolf, a summon and a Dryad. For a short time, u can even have 2 dryad and she does not despawn summons or the other dryad.

Living meteor has the best Dps of all sumons by large margin, has srong cc via cometfall and thematically fits fire options in primal. Gargoyle is the most tanky. At low hp enters in cocoon mode like ordinary gargoyles, becoming even more resistant, and regenerate all hp.

Lich can land some webs and uses Ghoul touch when attacked by melee. Both have dc to work R3 i've seen so far. For artificers Golem is a obviously choice, but the type of golem is random. Iron golem can be pretty tanky too plus all repair u can do on him.

Also, now its easier to get Epic Wolf Whistle, i got one and i dont know if its intended but currently, the Epic Thaarak Hound DO NOT REMOVE YOUR CURRENT SUMMON (please devs do not change THAT!) . So now u can have up to 5 pets during figths. Thaarak uses phantasmal killer a lot with astronomical DC (Like u dream Lich will be someday)

Druid is best suitted for the use of Scion of Elysium because of Pack spell, that has no CD and provokes a intimi check with +20 bonus drawing agro to pets. Never saw this fail.

On the other hand, since they are tanking to you u can be more offensive in your gear, what offsets the feat investiment.

U better see yourselves.

[Ulfo]

Wolfs... hounds... lich... Try some Legendry Black Ooze from LGS Repeater... And when i say some, i mean - horde!

[MaximusParthas]

A summons build is annoying in groups but great for solo play.
Then there's the issue of bots glitching up and doing nothing. Just standing there looking like monster lunch. They will also run around the dungeon agrroing everything in multiple directions.

[Ultinoob]

At what difficulty do you think they are viable?

I tried a druid summoner life last life. it was doable on r1 to solo. But a lot of things are doable for soloing reaper 1.

But spending 3 feats - augment summoning, improved augment summoning and scion of elysium - is a really big investment.
Also spending 3 filigrees on cry for battle is a lot.
Lastly there are the enhancements and yes you can do without harper, but it's hard at mid heroics.
I spend 8 action points in natures warrior to get brother wolf which really helped at low levels.

I think 8 to 16 enhancement points and 3 feats - one legendary - and 3 filigrees is a really big investment on something that is only somewhat useful.

I played with the dryad summoning from primal avatar and living meteor swarm from magus. Then i had the legendary wolf whistle for the cr 52 werewolf for end fights.
Then i had all the level 30 gold seal hirelings.
None of this seemed to matter that much.
I was better of spending 2 epic feats on ruin and greater ruin and the destiny points in draconic.

To me this is still not worth the investment. A thing that kept bugging me was how much time i had to spend in the beginning of each quest to buff the hirelings.

But due note that the level 15 hireling Larafay Do'rret casts destruction which seemed to land even in mid epics on r1....

It can be a fun build, but not worth it unless it is for fun. Just my 2 cents

[newmart]

At what difficulty do you think they are viable?

I tried a druid summoner life last life. it was doable on r1 to solo. But a lot of things are doable for soloing reaper 1.

But spending 3 feats - augment summoning, improved augment summoning and scion of elysium - is a really big investment.
Also spending 3 filigrees on cry for battle is a lot.
Lastly there are the enhancements and yes you can do without harper, but it's hard at mid heroics.
I spend 8 action points in natures warrior to get brother wolf which really helped at low levels.

I think 8 to 16 enhancement points and 3 feats - one legendary - and 3 filigrees is a really big investment on something that is only somewhat useful.

I played with the dryad summoning from primal avatar and living meteor swarm from magus. Then i had the legendary wolf whistle for the cr 52 werewolf for end fights.
Then i had all the level 30 gold seal hirelings.
None of this seemed to matter that much.
I was better of spending 2 epic feats on ruin and greater ruin and the destiny points in draconic.

To me this is still not worth the investment. A thing that kept bugging me was how much time i had to spend in the beginning of each quest to buff the hirelings.

But due note that the level 15 hireling Larafay Do'rret casts destruction which seemed to land even in mid epics on r1....

It can be a fun build, but not worth it unless it is for fun. Just my 2 cents

All feats and enhancement, as u can read on them, its for tankness. The last summon tough, the one u got at lv 30 in primal, does decent damage (has double your casting status, and u can have 2). It will no stay alive if u dont invest the feats, so the viability its only at lv 30 in term of damage. Before that summon are occasionaly usefull and can tank some bosses r1-3 for long enough to be useful.

Also a Feydark illusionist PK killer can 4 PK adding thaark hound to the table, and feats are not wasted since they give u dc via feydark. Dc will not suffer if u chosse acid primal tree for exemple, and can enjoy powerfull summons added to the kills.

[dredre9987]

All feats and enhancement, as u can read on them, its for tankness. The last summon tough, the one u got at lv 30 in primal, does decent damage (has double your casting status, and u can have 2). It will no stay alive if u dont invest the feats, so the viability its only at lv 30 in term of damage. Before that summon are occasionaly usefull and can tank some bosses r1-3 for long enough to be useful.

Also a Feydark illusionist PK killer can 4 PK adding thaark hound to the table, and feats are not wasted since they give u dc via feydark. Dc will not suffer if u chosse acid primal tree for exemple, and can enjoy powerfull summons added to the kills.

As with every summoner "build", got a video ?

[newmart]

As with every summoner "build", got a video ?

I was building a bear druid to use summoner build + tank, but in the moment its impossible to use primal spells and be raged, even with beast awakened trained. This ruined my plans so i thinking another possibility.

[Gralhota]

I've tried mage and druid summoner builds and they are completely viable now, and actually the better way to play Primal now.

They are not much different from standard caster build, people say that summons needs a lot investiment but its really one heroic feat and a epic feat. Harper enhancements are not all that necessary, but druid physical resistance for pet and skelly in pale master are mandatory. THey are not useless since they also gives bonus too you (3 spellpower and 15 physical ressitance).

Up to lv 24 its better to not invest much besides augument summoning. But after improved augument summoning their tankness raises considerably (also stacking epic summon buff) and finally at lv cap that comes the really big investment: Scion of Elysium or not.

It is mostly a matter of choice if u want that pets tank for u or um get more damage and dc. Bear in mind that its possible to have Wolf, a summon and a Dryad. For a short time, u can even have 2 dryad and she does not despawn summons or the other dryad.

Living meteor has the best Dps of all sumons by large margin, has srong cc via cometfall and thematically fits fire options in primal. Gargoyle is the most tanky. At low hp enters in cocoon mode like ordinary gargoyles, becoming even more resistant, and regenerate all hp.

Lich can land some webs and uses Ghoul touch when attacked by melee. Both have dc to work R3 i've seen so far. For artificers Golem is a obviously choice, but the type of golem is random. Iron golem can be pretty tanky too plus all repair u can do on him.

Also, now its easier to get Epic Wolf Whistle, i got one and i dont know if its intended but currently, the Epic Thaarak Hound DO NOT REMOVE YOUR CURRENT SUMMON (please devs do not change THAT!) . So now u can have up to 5 pets during figths. Thaarak uses phantasmal killer a lot with astronomical DC (Like u dream Lich will be someday)

Druid is best suitted for the use of Scion of Elysium because of Pack spell, that has no CD and provokes a intimi check with +20 bonus drawing agro to pets. Never saw this fail.

On the other hand, since they are tanking to you u can be more offensive in your gear, what offsets the feat investiment.

U better see yourselves.

´´ Thaarak uses phantasmal killer a lot with astronomical DC``


I have been playing as a summoner for years and many of your arguments do not correspond to reality. Maybe there is a game difference between the servers. Game on Cannith.


Never, have I NEVER seen any of his magic work. Years of effort to make this item, yes I made it in the old craft model and this item is the biggest disappointment of this game.

It only lasts 5 minutes, it's not resistant and its damage is ridiculous.
PK with astronomical DC? In my game it's fake news! It rarely uses PK and when it does it always fails.

There is a lot of theory and glamor in relation to summons and people who come here on the forum bravando that summons are good, that they do and happen, they are never able to present a video.

[newmart]

´´ Thaarak uses phantasmal killer a lot with astronomical DC``


I have been playing as a summoner for years and many of your arguments do not correspond to reality. Maybe there is a game difference between the servers. Game on Cannith.


Never, have I NEVER seen any of his magic work. Years of effort to make this item, yes I made it in the old craft model and this item is the biggest disappointment of this game.

It only lasts 5 minutes, it's not resistant and its damage is ridiculous.
PK with astronomical DC? In my game it's fake news! It rarely uses PK and when it does it always fails.

There is a lot of theory and glamor in relation to summons and people who come here on the forum bravando that summons are good, that they do and happen, they are never able to present a video.

I play on cannith, come with me do LOD when server opens. Xamanic.

[Gralhota]

I play on cannith, come with me do LOD when server opens. Xamanic.

LOD on level 30?

LoD is quest level 21.


WPM, you can solo on R???

[newmart]

LOD on level 30?

LoD is quest level 21.


WPM, you can solo on R???

I am lv 20 at moment.

[Gralhota]

I am lv 20 at moment.

I agree with ´´needs level 30``.

First arrive at 30 please.


I am Gralhota on Cannith. i ill add you.

[makmakkabab]

LOD on level 30?

LoD is quest level 21.


WPM, you can solo on R???

First life, no tomes, no reaper points, without knowing the quest and tried to kill as little as possible outside of healing and cc (had to fight with my minions in boss fights and blobs where there were a lot of champions and reapers).

I present you my fresh summoner - WPM R1 Solo



Edit
Unfortunately I forgot to re-summon my lich and thorn (AKA - Misadventure) for the picture, but they were there too!

[dredre9987]

First life, no tomes, no reaper points, without knowing the quest and tried to kill as little as possible outside of healing and cc (had to fight with my minions in boss fights and blobs where there were a lot of champions and reapers).

I present you my fresh summoner - WPM R1 Solo



Edit
Unfortunately I forgot to re-summon my lich and thorn (AKA - Misadventure) for the picture, but they were there too!

Would Love to see the time of completion since this can be soloed...

[Gralhota]

I play on cannith, come with me do LOD when server opens. Xamanic.

Game says: Xamanic does not exist

[newmart]

Sorry for the amateurism of the video, I just downloaded the recorder and editor.

This is just to show that pets can handle the figths in R1.

Bear in mind that i dont have metamagic feats (maximize, empower, higthen) so the damage is not optimal at this point.

I dont have all enhancement to reduce my threat at lv 20, they are mostly in epic trees. This hireling paladin is not that tanky (not using shield), thaark and wolf tank a lot better, but his intimidate was bigger so he pulls the agro. I cutted most of video to reduce upload.

The dmg of summons only increse in lv 23 with mantle.

[newmart]

Now with shared mantle and a bit more dmg.

Note when karas is hitting dog, dmg is very small, but eventually rogue hire gets agro and need to be healed.

Is this quest, playing normally, i killer 44 mobs, living meteor/thaark 15, hire 7 and wolf 1. Living meteor can most times kill cultists in one meteor shower. Statistically speaking they are responsible by about half my dps.

My poison and acid spell power is around 200, as i said i had problems with this build, a caster will do much better.