Leveling Guide XP/Min

[Verlok_the_Red]

You asked for it, here you go...

I assume the following:
#1 you just want to grind it out fast
#2 you need 3.25M Xp and have a basic tome of learning and or an xp pot or two
#3 You should have reasonable gear set and ensure your difficulty level reflects the target completion time (if you can only do Hard within the time frame, then do hard.. likewise if you have several past lifes and good gear do it on the highest difficulty you can)
#4 You should take the run speed enhancement from falconry asap or 2 levels of barbarian

Items that help

* the quiver of alacrity (30% base movement quiver)
* a level 1 two handed sword or class weapon (if your a caster take Masters Touch) or use a weapon your proficient with
* a level 1 vorpal range item
* potions/scrolls/clicks: haste, invisibility, and blurr

cannith crafting is your friend.
go to youtube and look up the starter quest, create a new char, do the quest.. nuke the char.. get your crafting up to about 80 and your good.. you can get most of the junk from the auction house
craft a con + hp item, a weapon (if needed) and your primary stat item ie CHA/STR/WIS

Have a purpose for your leveling plan out the "why" in your level expectations

racial vs epic dynasty

racial just need to get to 20, you can use any class or combination of classes to get the job
done vs an epic tr will require a well built char that can make it to level 30

class vs racial

you only need 10 levels for a class racial, vs any combination to complete a racial. Some classes level much faster than others i.e. a sorcerer or barbarian level much faster than a cleric.. Sometimes its just better to take 8 levels of fighter and chop your way through the quests..

use items for classes you hate

for example, I hated monk. so I did 14 fighter and 6 monk.. then used a +5 heart I won from daily dice.. and made it 11/9 followed by a class tr

Some un-written advice

#1 In general killing every monster is not a requirement to finish the quest (if you don’t have to kill it, use your invisibility pot and run past it.. or round them up and mass kill)

#2 Never bother with optional monsters, disarming traps or looting chests, time buffing or waiting around for a hireling
(you could complete the quest and be running the next one in the time you waste getting 200xp to search and disarm a trap)

#3 Avoid quests that require:
spawning mobs (Devil Assault)
protections (Madstone)
Random Components (Invitation to Dinner)

#4 Never kill only 1 mob at a time

#5 Only run what ever difficulty you can kill regular monsters in less than one or two hits. (ie after 200 past lives everything dies in a single fiireball upto R3/4.. so I run everything on R4.

* note .. Running all quests on Hard is actually the best XP/Min for newer players .. Quests on Elite iis the all around best as there are no reapers so most of them you can simply haste invis and go.. Reapers see invisible and will cause other mobs to agro.

#6 complete the bare minimum the quest as fast as possible, always avoid quests with puzzles, random components and
dont bother with optionals. get your xp and get out / on to the next one as fast as possible.

#7 Never "store" levels, if you hit level 12.. take your level right away. Its better to take advantage of new gear, weapons, spells and abilities well moving on the list.

#8 Trying to worry about running quest X at level Y is a total waste of time. Many people will disagree but the truth is.. by the time you finish wining about losing a little bit of base XP. You could be done the quest and on to the next.

#9 if possible, always run with the same people aka a guild or solo


(#1 Spoiler)
Most people don’t realize this but ... if your in a group you can actually do more than one quest at a time (I cant really call it a bug considering they have had 15+ years to address the issue, so it's a feature)
for example: Gianthold
1 person can open trial by fire on elite and start running, well the other person can open maze of madness also on elite. Once the person in trial by fire gets to the pit area they can open the gate at the start and finish out .. then go to maze and finish the quest .. and both of you come back.. the trial by fire quest was not completed and will remain open for 5 mins .. so step in run out the gate and chop up the boss..

in terms of xp/min its faster to finish 2 quests in 2 mins and eat the re-entry hit and move on

likewise, in madstone, never do one seer at a time, split up and do all 3 at once or watch your xp/min go doin the toialet waiting 10 miins for a seer

(#2 Spoiler)
Reaper XP
if you’re running every quest on R1 and expect to get anywhere STOP IT NOW!
why? because by the time you burn through 200 past lives on R1 .. you will literally be lucky to get the 6.5M for your 75 points/reaper wings.. That means your going to spend 200 more tr's to make up the difference.

the "better" way is to do each life on the hardest difficulty you can. if your new, do hard, if you have collected some stuff .. do elite.. if your a seasoned vet with decent stuff do R4+ What ever you do dont just get in the R1 rutt.

every time you get to level 30 make sure you do the 24+ quests as high as you can .. GH, Stormhorns, Necro4 etc ..
then do the 30+ as hard as possible.

why? level 30 quests are worth an average base of about 1500 reaper xp, every level 30 quests gets double reaper xp as a first time bonus.. that means doing into the mist on r1 will give you about 2500 reaper xp .. vs doing it on r1 at level 10 will net you about 200.. They both take the same amount of time but the epic way results in x10 the xp for the same amount of work.

It is better to spend an hr doing into the mists for 2500 reaper xp, then running it 10 times on r12 in the same time frame.

You may disagree, but in the long run if you average out the entire time spent doing every tr and 156 reaper points and everything else .. you will spend 1/3 of the total time by pushing your limits from the get go.. vs just aimlessly running everything on r1.

PS an entire run of 24+ on R10 should net you around 1.6M Reaper Xp per tr.

The Levels
You may not like my list, or with to add/remove quests .. Fill your boots .. this is MY list and its based on levels and the shortest path between quests . (for example I only do redfang because its literally on the way to house P and its a free 5k to run to the end)

Part 1 ..
Level 1-4

If you have daily dice XP. eat them all.. your first objective is to get to level 4 ASAP .. (aka to spend your reaper points)

else

Korthos
1 Heyton's Rest The Coin Lords Free to Play
1 Necromancer's Doom House Jorasco Free to Play
1 Redemption The Coin Lords Free to Play
1 Sacrifices The Free Agents Free to Play
1 Stopping the Sahuagin The Coin Lords Free to Play
1 The Cannith Crystal House Deneith Free to Play
1 The Collaborator The Coin Lords Free to Play
1 The Grotto Free to Play
2 Misery's Peak The Free Agents Free to Play

Level 2's Harbor
2 Arachnophobia The Coin Lords Free to Play
2 Bringing the Light The Free Agents Free to Play
2 Durk's Got A Secret The Free Agents Free to Play
2 Garrison's Missing Pack The Coin Lords Free to Play
2 Haverdasher House Kundarak Free to Play
2 Information is Key House Phiarlan Free to Play
2 Missing in Action The Coin Lords Free to Play
2 Stealthy Repossession The Free Agents Free to Play
2 The Kobolds' New Ringleader The Coin Lords Free to Play
2 The Miller's Debt The Coin Lords Free to Play
2 The Smuggler's Warehouse The Free Agents Free to Play
2 The Sunken Sewer The Coin Lords Free to Play
2 Walk the Butcher's Path The Free Agents Free to Play

Level 4:

Water Works and STK are great to get to level 5.. you can run them fast.. you should finish all of these quests in 30 mins

-- Harbor
3 The Kobold's Den: Clan Gnashtooth The Coin Lords Free to Play The Lost Seekers
3 The Kobold's Den: Rescuing Arlos The Coin Lords Free to Play The Lost Seekers
4 Venn's Trail: Clan Tunnelworm The Coin Lords Free to Play The Lost Seekers
4 Venn's Trail: Venn's Fate The Coin Lords Free to Play The Lost Seekers

-- Marketplace
3 The Sacred Helm The Coin Lords The Seal of Shan-To-Kor
3 The Cloven-jaw Scourge: Blockade The Coin Lords The Seal of Shan-To-Kor The Seal of Shan-To-Kor
4 The Cloven-jaw Scourge: The Caverns of Shaagh The Coin Lords The Seal of Shan-To-Kor The Seal of Shan-To-Kor
5 Halls of Shan-To-Kor The Coin Lords The Seal of Shan-To-Kor The Seal of Shan-To-Kor

3 Redfang the Unruled The Free Agents Free to Play

Level 5

Often over looked Tangleroot is about 90k xp and you can run the entire chain in less than 20 mins
-- House P Tangleroot
3 First Strike House Phiarlan Tangleroot Gorge Assault on Splinterskull
3 The Hobgoblins' Captives House Phiarlan Tangleroot Gorge Assault on Splinterskull
4 Whisperdoom's Spawn House Phiarlan Tangleroot Gorge Assault on Splinterskull
4 Yarkuch's War-plans House Phiarlan Tangleroot Gorge Assault on Splinterskull
5 The Deadly Package: Agent of the Darguul House Phiarlan Tangleroot Gorge Assault on Splinterskull
5 The Deadly Package: The Stronghold Key House Phiarlan Tangleroot Gorge Assault on Splinterskull
6 Doom of the Witch-doctor: The Way to Zulkash House Phiarlan Tangleroot Gorge Assault on Splinterskull
6 Doom of the Witch-doctor: Zulkash, Herald of Woe House Phiarlan Tangleroot Gorge Assault on Splinterskull
7 The Last Move: The Way to Yarkuch House Phiarlan Tangleroot Gorge Assault on Splinterskull
7 The Last Move: Yarkuch's Last Stand House Phiarlan Tangleroot Gorge Assault on Splinterskull

-- House D
The Depths quests are ok xp, but you can run all 4 in less than 10 mins

4 The Depths of Darkness House Deneith Free to Play
4 The Depths of Despair House Deneith Free to Play
5 The Depths of Discord House Deneith Free to Play
5 The Depths of Doom House Deneith Free to Play

Filler quests for House K favor, but you can finish all 4 quests in around 12 mins

-- House K
5 The Chamber of Insanity House Kundarak Free to Play
6 The Forgotten Caverns House Kundarak Free to Play
7 Taming the Flames House Kundarak Free to Play
6 Ruined Halls House Kundarak Free to Play

Level 6

3bc is the best set of quests to pickj and choose from, there is around 125k xp and these are the ones that can be completed in around 40 mins

-- 3 Barrel Cove
5 Ghost of a Chance (Heroic) The Free Agents Three-Barrel Cove
5 Prove Your Worth (Heroic) The Free Agents Three-Barrel Cove
5 Brood of Flame The Free Agents Three-Barrel Cove The Fire Caves
5 The Legend of Two-Toed Tobias The Free Agents Three-Barrel Cove
5 The Stones Run Red The Free Agents Three-Barrel Cove The Fire Caves
6 The Troglodytes' Get The Free Agents Three-Barrel Cove Garl's Tomb
7 Old Grey Garl The Free Agents Three-Barrel Cove Garl's Tomb

Level 8

Delera is a great chain and can be finished in around 20 mins. dont waste your time with archers and other mobs that dont chase you.

-- House J Graveyard
5 The Mystery of Delera's Tomb House Jorasco Delera's Tomb Delera's Tomb
6 Return to Delera's Tomb House Jorasco Delera's Tomb Delera's Tomb
7 Free Delera House Jorasco Delera's Tomb Delera's Tomb
7 The Missing Party House Jorasco Delera's Tomb Delera's Tomb
8 Thrall of the Necromancer House Jorasco Delera's Tomb Delera's Tomb

Level 9

at this point your looking for 2 specific LFM's
9 The Shadow Crypt The Silver Flame The Necropolis, Part 2 Litany of the Dead Part 2
10 Tempest's Spine House Jorasco Free to Play

-- House D
8 Spies in the House House Deneith Sentinels of Stormreach
8 Stormcleave Outpost House Deneith Free to Play
8 Stromvauld's Mine House Kundarak Free to Play

-- House D Sorrowdusk
6 The Iron Mines: Freeing Achka House Deneith Sorrowdusk Isle Grey Moon Waning
6 The Iron Mines: Justice for Grust House Deneith Sorrowdusk Isle Grey Moon Waning
7 The Grey Moon's Den: Extermination House Deneith Sorrowdusk Isle Grey Moon Waning
7 The Grey Moon's Den: The Trollish Scourge House Deneith Sorrowdusk Isle Grey Moon Waning

Level 10

-- House D
8 The Temple Outpost: Captives of the Cult House Deneith Sorrowdusk Isle Cult of the Six
8 The Temple Outpost: The Libram of the Six House Deneith Sorrowdusk Isle Cult of the Six
9 The Fane of the Six: Cleansing the Temple House Deneith Sorrowdusk Isle Cult of the Six
9 The Fane of the Six: Fall of the Prelate House Deneith Sorrowdusk Isle Cult of the Six
10 The Sanctum: Church of the Fury House Deneith Sorrowdusk Isle Cult of the Six
10 The Sanctum: Quench the Flames House Deneith Sorrowdusk Isle Cult of the Six

-- House K
8 Tharashk Arena House Kundarak Vault of Night Vault of Night
8 The Prisoner House Kundarak Vault of Night Vault of Night
9 Gateway to Khyber House Kundarak Vault of Night Vault of Night
9 The Jungle of Khyber House Kundarak Vault of Night Vault of Night
9 Haywire Foundry House Kundarak Vault of Night Vault of Night
10 The Vault of Night House Kundarak Vault of Night Vault of Night
10 Plane of Night House Kundarak Vault of Night Vault of Night

Alternate Levels:

--House P Threnal
8 In Need of Supplies House Phiarlan The Ruins of Threnal The Western Excavation
8 Secure the Area House Phiarlan The Ruins of Threnal The Western Excavation
8 The Rescue House Phiarlan The Ruins of Threnal The Western Excavation

9 The Library of Threnal House Phiarlan The Ruins of Threnal The Eastern Excavation
10 Escort the Expedition House Phiarlan The Ruins of Threnal The Eastern Excavation
10 Hold for Reinforcements House Phiarlan The Ruins of Threnal The Eastern Excavation

9 Entering the Gate Chamber House Phiarlan The Ruins of Threnal The Abandoned Excavation
9 The Missing Expedition House Phiarlan The Ruins of Threnal The Abandoned Excavation
10 The Gate Chamber House Phiarlan The Ruins of Threnal The Abandoned Excavation

Level 12

-- House P
10 Into the Mists Keepers of the Feather Mists of Ravenloft
10 Death House Keepers of the Feather Mists of Ravenloft In the Shadow of the Castle
10 Fresh-baked Dreams Keepers of the Feather Mists of Ravenloft In the Shadow of the Castle
10 An Invitation to Dinner Keepers of the Feather Mists of Ravenloft In the Shadow of the Castle

-- Sands
10 The Chamber of Rahmat The Free Agents Demon Sands
11 An Offering of Blood The Free Agents Demon Sands Against the Demon Queen
11 Purge the Fallen Shrine The Free Agents Demon Sands
11 The Chamber of Kourush The Free Agents Demon Sands
11 Maraud the Mines The Free Agents Demon Sands
11 Raid the Vulkoorim The Free Agents Demon Sands
12 Against the Demon Queen (Quest) The Free Agents Demon Sands Against the Demon Queen
12 Chains of Flame The Free Agents Demon Sands Against the Demon Queen
12 The Chamber of Raiyum The Free Agents Demon Sands Against the Demon Queen
12 Zawabi's Revenge The Free Agents Demon Sands Against the Demon Queen

Optional:
11 Made to Order House Kundarak Free to Play
12 A Relic of a Sovereign Past House Deneith Free to Play
12 Invaders! The Coin Lords Free to Play

Level 13

-- Giant Hold
13 A Cry for Help Agents of Argonnessen Ruins of Gianthold
13 Feast or Famine Agents of Argonnessen Ruins of Gianthold
13 Foundation of Discord Agents of Argonnessen Ruins of Gianthold
13 The Maze of Madness Agents of Argonnessen Ruins of Gianthold
13 Trial by Fire Agents of Argonnessen Ruins of Gianthold
14 A Cabal for One Agents of Argonnessen Ruins of Gianthold The Reaver's Bane
14 Gianthold Tor Agents of Argonnessen Ruins of Gianthold The Reaver's Bane
14 Madstone Crater Agents of Argonnessen Ruins of Gianthold The Reaver's Bane
14 The Crucible Agents of Argonnessen Ruins of Gianthold
14 The Prison of the Planes Agents of Argonnessen Ruins of Gianthold The Reaver's

-- Necro 4
14 Desecrated Temple of Vol The Silver Flame The Necropolis, Part 4 Litany of the Dead Part 4
14 Flesh Maker's Laboratory The Silver Flame The Necropolis, Part 4 Litany of the Dead Part 4
14 Ghosts of Perdition The Silver Flame The Necropolis, Part 4 Litany of the Dead Part 4
14 Inferno of the Damned The Silver Flame The Necropolis, Part 4 Litany of the Dead Part 4

Level 15

-- Sharn Cogs
15 Roll Call Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn
15 Smash and Burn Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn
15 The Wraithcallers Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn
15 Thralls of the Fungus Lord Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn
16 Scavenger Hunt Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn
16 Security Detail Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn
16 The Magma Must Flow Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn

-- Vale
15 Creeping Death House Deneith The Vale of Twilight
15 To Curse the Sky House Deneith The Vale of Twilight
16 Let Sleeping Dust Lie The Twelve The Vale of Twilight The Thirteenth Eclipse
16 Rainbow in the Dark The Twelve The Vale of Twilight The Thirteenth Eclipse
16 Ritual Sacrifice The Twelve The Vale of Twilight The Thirteenth Eclipse
16 Running with the Devils The Twelve The Vale of Twilight The Thirteenth Eclipse
16 The Coalescence Chamber The Twelve The Vale of Twilight The Thirteenth Eclipse

Level 16/17

-- Sharn Chain 1
15 Lost at Sea The Free Agents Free to Play
15 A Sharn Welcome Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn Masterminds of Sharn Part One
15 Best Laid Plans Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn Masterminds of Sharn Part One
15 Red Rain Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn Masterminds of Sharn Part One
15 The Same Old Song Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn Masterminds of Sharn Part One
15 Just Business Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn Masterminds of Sharn Part One

-- Sharn Chain 2
16 No Refunds Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn Masterminds of Sharn Part Two
16 Blown Deadline Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn Masterminds of Sharn Part Two
16 House of Pain Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn Masterminds of Sharn Part Two
16 Reach for the Sky Sharn City Council Masterminds of Sharn Masterminds of Sharn Part Two

Level 18 - 20

-- Sharn Docks
17 Finding Dorris Sharn City Council The Soul Splitter The Soul Splitter
17 Members Only Sharn City Council The Soul Splitter The Soul Splitter
17 Safety in Numbers Sharn City Council The Soul Splitter The Soul Splitter
17 The Offshore Account Sharn City Council The Soul Splitter The Soul Splitter
17 The Underlane Assignment Sharn City Council The Soul Splitter The Soul Splitter

-- ES Druid 1
17 Outbreak The Harpers The Druid's Deep The Druid's Deep
17 Overgrowth The Harpers The Druid's Deep The Druid's Deep
17 The Druid's Curse The Harpers The Druid's Deep The Druid's Deep
17 Thorn and Paw The Harpers The Druid's Deep The Druid's Deep

-- ES StormHorns
19 The Tracker's Trap The Harpers Shadowfell Conspiracy The Secret of the Storm Horns
19 A Break In the Ice The Harpers Shadowfell Conspiracy The Secret of the Storm Horns
19 Breaking the Ranks The Harpers Shadowfell Conspiracy The Secret of the Storm Horns
19 What Goes Up The Harpers Shadowfell Conspiracy The Secret of the Storm Horns

Filler Options:

17 Enter the Kobold Agents of Argonnessen The Reaver's Reach Refuge in the Storm
17 Monastery of the Scorpion Agents of Argonnessen The Reaver's Reach Refuge in the Storm
19 A New Invasion The Yugoloth The Devils of Shavarath
19 Bastion of Power The Yugoloth The Devils of Shavarath
19 Genesis Point The Yugoloth The Devils of Shavarath
19 Sins of Attrition The Yugoloth The Devils of Shavarath
19 Wrath of the Flame The Twelve The Devils of Shavarath
20 Tower of Despair The Yugoloth The Devils of Shavarath
16 The Lords of Dust The Silver Flame Web of Chaos Web of Chaos
16 Servants of the Overlord The Silver Flame Web of Chaos Web of Chaos
16 The Spinner of Shadows The Silver Flame Web of Chaos Web of Chaos

This path will easily get you to level 20.

Epics

Leveling Epics is super easy and super fast.
purchase a slayer pot with all the favor points you just made.

Level 20
Orchard Slayer 7500

Level 22
Thunderholm or Barovia or both slayers 7500 (both will net you to 25.5)

Level 24
Do the epic dalies on Reaper if possible, else on elite.

Spys, TTT, WizardKing, Von 3

Level 25
Redo the 3bc levels as above and Von 1-4

Level 26
Gianthold Rx

Level 28
Thunderholdm or Barovia

Done!

FAQ:
#1 why no saltmarsh, fay ravenloft etc..
A: They are bad XP/Min and this document is all about 1-20 in 8hrs

#2 why complete quest chains under level
A: becasue coming back to them requires me to rememebr I skipped it and Im already there.

#3 why this list of quests?
A: becasue it also includes a lot of FTP content, so anyone can do it on any difficulty..

#4 why not do borderlands at 20?
A: Slayers are worth 2.2M xp with a slayer and xp pot they can be completed in a full group VERY quickly

#5 why not do all the slayers?
A: you could, enfact its probally better .. that way you save Necro4, GH and Stormhorn Reaper XP vs if you complete them during the leveling process you will not get first time bonus

#6 why did you make this?
A: idk, becasue I can! and someone asked

#7 what is your best 1-20 record
A: (3.25Mxp) in 8hrs 24mins

#8 what is your best 1-30 record
A: 9hrs 58mins

#9 what is your best 20-30 record
A: 2hrs 37mins

#10 I don’t think you cover favor for TR grind
A: correct, there is no need for favor in a grind .. get the objective done and tr as fast as possible. (but you could easily adjust this guide to taste to fill in the blanks) make no mistake about it.. there is nothing "fun" about this level guide

[jskinner937]

I don’t think you cover favor for TR grind. Probably only enough to get 1 inventory bag and 1 bank bag. Going to have to go back and favor grind. Or could fit Tears, haverdasher, invaders or Attack on Stormreach chain and/or IQ/DD Isle in that list. Personally, I find sorting TR cache almost as time consuming as leveling. Well not really, but it’s a slog and boring. So anything to be ready after hitting heroic (or epic cap for iconics) makes it less painless.

[Tsutti]

I have 2 questions

1: Doesn't getting traps in high xp quests increase xp per minute because of the sheer amount of % bonus that traps give, and while you could be into the next quest faster wouldn't the extra xp gained from traps net a higher xp per minute in some cases?

2: Why 3.25M xp? Where did you get the other 0.55M go that a 3rd+ life character needs for 1-20? I know you said in your assumptions 3.25M I just don't know how that number is possible for required xp.

[Stormraiser]

A very interesting choice of quests...

Can you explain these quests in a TR speed leveling guide?

Korthos Island quests
Misery Peak
Arachnophobia
The Miller's Debt
Redfang the Unruled
Taming the Flames
Stormcleave Outpost
Full Threnal chain
Chains of Flame
Made to Order House

#4 You should take the run speed enhancement from falconry asap or 2 levels of barbarian (what does the 2nd level of barb give you?)

for example, I hated monk. so I did 14 barb and 6 monk.. (how did you manage that?)

We need someone to post a real updated leveling guide.

[Tsutti]

A very interesting choice of quests...

Can you explain these quests in a TR speed leveling guide?

Korthos Island quests
Misery Peak
Arachnophobia
The Miller's Debt
Redfang the Unruled
Taming the Flames
Stormcleave Outpost
Full Threnal chain
Chains of Flame
Made to Order House

I don't know his reason for the others but he did state that he only does Redfang because it's on his way to house P and he can just run straight to the end for 5k xp

#4 You should take the run speed enhancement from falconry asap or 2 levels of barbarian (what does the 2nd level of barb give you?)

2nd level of barb unlocks sprint boost, note that he said take sprint boost from falconry OR 2 levels of barbarian not both
I suppose for f2p ppl who don't have falconry, since he also stated that the guide specifically includes a lot of f2p quests so that it's more useful to more people, also get the benefit of 10% passive movespeed from 1 barb and the frenzied sprint boost is 5% more than the falconry one

for example, I hated monk. so I did 14 barb and 6 monk.. (how did you manage that?)

do you mean how did he manage to make the split work or how did he manage to get a monk life with it? For the former, probably just ignore the monk levels and monk features and just build like a normal barb with only 14 levels of barb tho, for the latter he already explained how he got a monk life out of it

edit: nevermind I see the problem you mean here, alignment restrictions
is it possible for storebought alignment changes to get you into lawful once you take 14 so you can start taking monk at 15?

We need someone to post a real updated leveling guide.

depends on what you mean by "real leveling guide," he stated that this is meant as a guide for the fastest 1-20 or 1-30 or 20-30 with exactly zero regard whatsoever for literally anything other than xp/min at all, including things like having fun and getting favor rewards
I can't speak to whether it is the absolute fastest or not but it sounds pretty fast
if by "leveling guide" you mean you want something that will get you xp while: including as many fun quests as possible, allowing for fun IN quests, getting you favor rewards, and/or anything I may have missed, this isn't intended to be the place to look

[mikarddo]

A few comments.

a) If you have access to Sonic Blast (sorc, wiz, bard) then dont bother with a 2h weapon in the low levels. Sonic Blast kicks big time.

b) If you are serious about leveling make sure you have a 2nd account with Shadow Crypt access so you can run that when ou want.

c) Some quests are so amazing xp that running them on REHN is well worth it. Shadow Crypt and Fire Caves 1 come to mind but a few others could apply as well.

d) Running quests you know well is often the key to being fast. Even more so that running specific quests.

e) Dont forget to enjoy the game

Apart from that its interesting to see your list thanks for sharing.

[Grunthorno]

There's a lot wrong with all of this, but we don't have time to get into that.

You skip a ton of VERY fast/good xp/min quests and run a lot of quests that aren't great for it...

[mikarddo]

There's a lot wrong with all of this, but we don't have time to get into that.

You skip a ton of VERY fast/good xp/min quests and run a lot of quests that aren't great for it...

Name 3 such quests that are very good xp/min to add some more quality to the thread then

[Verlok_the_Red]

A very interesting choice of quests...

Can you explain these quests in a TR speed leveling guide?

Sure!
Korthos Island quests - as I mentioned, skip all of the level 1-2-3 quests as you should have enough xp from daily xp but if not all of the Korthos levels can be completed super fast. (you could also just skip it and hit the l2's)
Arachnophobia & The Miller's Debt - I actually do all of the solo quests and the vale run quest every life.. they are fast but the most important thing is they have a chance to drop some REALLY nice level 1 weapons you can ideally add an icy burst kit to. In my case I have an old school holy 2d6 great sword with an icy burst kit .. it cuts everything in half upto about level 6 and has been WELL worth it for many years (hint winter games will start soon so find yourself a nice non crafted ml1 weapon)
Redfang the Unruled - pull 3 levers and run to the end and kill 1 bug for 5k.. and its on the way from STK to House D
Taming the Flames - (you will have dd, run left pull lever dd run right pull lever, dd, run middle kill mob.. dd run left kill mob.. quest done in a couple mins) most people hate this quest and spend a lot of time killing everything.. theres no point, just run it collect the xp and move on
Stormcleave Outpost - with sprint boost and dd you can do this quest and the optional in a few mins for 18ish k
Full Threnal chain - if you loook at my profile, i signed up during beta .. Threnal was the king of farms back in the day .. I know it inside out.. (after the gimpification to east 3 .. you literally die and come back in 15 mins.. that gives you time to Eat, #2 and come back to res/kill the boss and teleport out)
Chains of Flame - (actaully all of the sands) I know backwards and upsidedown hence I can complete the quests and raid very fast.. and is great xp.
Made to Order & BAM - are both straightline quests, just invis and run and the are side by side.

again, everyone has different quests they like.. this list has a lot of out of the box stuff in it and is literally "my" list b/c of the items I have and the way I like to run my stuff.

mikarddo

A few comments.

a) If you have access to Sonic Blast (sorc, wiz, bard) then dont bother with a 2h weapon in the low levels. Sonic Blast kicks big time.
b) If you are serious about leveling make sure you have a 2nd account with Shadow Crypt access so you can run that when ou want.
c) Some quests are so amazing xp that running them on REHN is well worth it. Shadow Crypt and Fire Caves 1 come to mind but a few others could apply as well.
d) Running quests you know well is often the key to being fast. Even more so that running specific quests.
e) Dont forget to enjoy the game

Apart from that its interesting to see your list thanks for sharing.

All fair points..
A: yes! for sure.. I just picked the 2hs b/c I have a very nice old skool one that still chops everything in half upto around level 6
B: your right again, I was trying to not be to obious wne i mentioned all the FtP quests.. (hint) ps I hate all of necro 1/2/3 and some require long swims, puzzles and more than 1 person.. so in my case the best I will do is keep my eyes open for a lfm and red box it.. same with von/tempest
C: again you are correct, there are many quests with good xp I left off.. the main reason was 90% i dont like them, and 10% they are not on my clean route.
D: winner winner chicken dinner.. hence this is my list
E: you are totally right, as I said in my faq.. there is NOTHING fun about this "level" guide.. I wish to stress that point becasue imo the entire TR thing needs to be re-vamped .. DDO is not the only mmo to grind.. but it is the most excessive grind that i know of

Most welcome,

#4 You should take the run speed enhancement from falconry asap or 2 levels of barbarian (what does the 2nd level of barb give you?)

for example, I hated monk. so I did 14 barb and 6 monk.. (how did you manage that?)

I think your right, it may have been fighter or even something else tbh I dont recall, I finished all TR's years ago (and again 2 days after the shapeshifter came out).. My only point here is ..pick a dump class that you can level quickly.. get to 20 .. lesser +5 (or +20 is even better) tr and change the class out, then just do your class tr right away as there is no timer for lesser tr.

my mistake there

Tsutti
I have 2 questions

1: Doesn't getting traps in high xp quests increase xp per minute because of the sheer amount of % bonus that traps give, and while you could be into the next quest faster wouldn't the extra xp gained from traps net a higher xp per minute in some cases?

2: Why 3.25M xp? Where did you get the other 0.55M go that a 3rd+ life character needs for 1-20? I know you said in your assumptions 3.25M I just don't know how that number is possible for required xp.

#1 - You are correct, traps do give a nice base xp bonus .. but 2 things... #1 I would never even stop for a trap #2 I rarely ever play trappers..

to further that IMO the best xp/min builds are:

20 barb - get a big sword and run like the wind.. (after sveral trs you should be able to umd invis scrolls)
2 barb 18 caster - run fast with some boom boom to finish it off.. there are a number of nice spells to help to
2 barb 18 bard - literally run invis and facinate everything
2 barb, anything else
anything else with falcon

#2 - again this is my mistake, You are correct it should have been the 3.8M i was using the old school number..

We need someone to post a real updated leveling guide

everyone’s level guide will be unique.. so your best bet is to look at other peoples "list" and come up with your own. In my case 99% of my leveling was done solo.. so this is "My" list.. I know every one of these quests backwards making them efficient for me to complete.. like wise its tailored to items I use to level .. for example I have some awesome weapons like a gnoll bane axe and an awesome smiter and a really awesome banisher .. so areas like Vale and Devils or RR are awesome for me, but they probally suck for other people.

so the real answer to answer your question is.. there is no such thing as a "real updated leveling guide" there is only whats good for you.

[ChicagoChris]

Name 3 such quests that are very good xp/min to add some more quality to the thread then

I started keeping track of this when I ran my racial lives - all GOO warlock (1 Arti for traps), so your miles may vary. In some quests the mobs just melt with warlock :-)

My top XP/Min in my spreadsheet are:

Quest	Char Level	Quest Level	Reaper Level	XP	Opts	Total XP	Reaper	Time	Minutes as decimal	XP / Minute	RXP / Minute	% of Quest Level
A Sharn Welcome	16	15	2	28,554		28,554	642	0:06:30	6.50	4,393	98.8	8.9%
Litany of the Dead	15	15	3	40,555	-	40,555	761	0:09:50	9.83	4,124	77.4	12.7%
Scavenger Hunt	17	16	2	19,113		19,113	577	0:05:17	5.28	3,618	109.2	5.8%
Trial by Fire	14	13	2	22,257	1,029	23,286	666	0:06:31	6.52	3,573	102.2	8.3%
The Jungle of Khyber (VoN 3)	9	9	2	58,622	25,138	83,760	875	0:23:31	23.52	3,562	37.2	44.1%

Note that I run REHN on Litany, since farming is easy on those given turn in time/re-run. Litany gets me 91K in 37.75 minutes for 2410 xp/min.
One of my tops that you don't list is Shadow of a Doubt. Shadow gets me 51k in 18.66 for 2735 xp/min. In addition Shadow typically gets me ~10K in MM for about 3275 xp/min - I stop running Shadow of a Doubt as soon as I get the 8K bonus. (OOB is 5, Shadow 6).

I've come to the conclusion that the 30% trapper bonus is worth it on some, if not most quests. Given that the *vast* majority of your time leveling is actually *not* getting XP due to travel to quest time, getting the most XP per quest is, I believe, better.

In addition, I use the % of level as a key indicator for just that same reason. I'd rather run one quest that is 25% of level vs. 2 that are 12.5% even if the 25% is not quite as good xp/min. Total time vs quest time is key.

I also typically use the Devil Battlefield wilderness area for my end of 18-19. I typically do slayer to 750 for about 40k, explorer for 15k, rares for 35k (with bonuses), I typically see about 25-30K in MM. All told 1bout 120k in about 30-45 minutes.

And yes, I'm a Money Ball fan.

[jskinner937]

Name 3 such quests that are very good xp/min to add some more quality to the thread then

Blockade Buster
Tears of Dhak
Invaders

All on par or better xp/min.

And coincidentally have coin lord and house k favor that you will likely need for a TR.

[Stormraiser]

There's a lot wrong with all of this, but we don't have time to get into that.

You skip a ton of VERY fast/good xp/min quests and run a lot of quests that aren't great for it...

Exactly my point, this guide is closer to trolling.

[Stormraiser]

Name 3 such quests that are very good xp/min to add some more quality to the thread then

Looking at it another way, there are some terrible quests on this list, that are not even average.

[Caarb]

1/10 I hope this is a troll post because there are fundamental errors in the OP which make me doubt any of the claims.

[jskinner937]

1/10 I hope this is a troll post because there are fundamental errors in the OP which make me doubt any of the claims.

Like this you mean?
“ PS an entire run of 24+ on R10 should net you around 1.6M Reaper Xp per tr.”

[Verlok_the_Red]

Exactly my point, this guide is closer to trolling.

A single line unqualified response with out explanation is the definition of trolling.

[Verlok_the_Red]

Like this you mean?
“ PS an entire run of 24+ on R10 should net you around 1.6M Reaper Xp per tr.”

there are 164 quest 24+ not including raids that can be done on r10 .. an average quest is around 9.5k per first time. You do the math!

[Verlok_the_Red]

I started keeping track of this when I ran my racial lives - all GOO warlock (1 Arti for traps), so your miles may vary. In some quests the mobs just melt with warlock :-)

Quest	Char Level	Quest Level	Reaper Level	XP	Opts	Total XP	Reaper	Time	Minutes as decimal	XP / Minute	RXP / Minute	% of Quest Level
A Sharn Welcome	16	15	2	28,554		28,554	642	0:06:30	6.50	4,393	98.8	8.9%
Litany of the Dead	15	15	3	40,555	-	40,555	761	0:09:50	9.83	4,124	77.4	12.7%
Scavenger Hunt	17	16	2	19,113		19,113	577	0:05:17	5.28	3,618	109.2	5.8%
Trial by Fire	14	13	2	22,257	1,029	23,286	666	0:06:31	6.52	3,573	102.2	8.3%
The Jungle of Khyber (VoN 3)	9	9	2	58,622	25,138	83,760	875	0:23:31	23.52	3,562	37.2	44.1%

My top XP/Min in my spreadsheet are:

glad you posted this.. it really highlights the underlying point .. everyone has their own way of doing things.. some quests are easy for some and hard for others.. some are faster some are slower ..

the bottom line is there is no "One way" "right way" "wrong way" "best way" or any other way... there is only 1 way .. and that’s what ever works for you.

My list is just a decent list that works for me. It doesn’t rely on a lot of expensive packs (except sharn) .. and for the most part its a lot of cheep packs that are availaivle from the store or via guest pass.. It als works well at any skill level.. normal, reaper, elite.. doesnt matter if your geared or naked..

Caarb
1/10 I hope this is a troll post because there are fundamental errors in the OP which make me doubt any of the claims.

If you have something specific to ask, need clarifications or have things you want to add, fill your boots.. If you don’t like it.. that’s fine too.. no skin off my nose ..

but before you do .. here is the truth ..

I have nothing left to do in this game .. I have 190+ reaper points, done every tr, past life and xp grind possible and usually sit at max favor for months on end.. I have ALL of the best gear possible and really have all but retired from the game all together... There is nothing left for me to do .. I don’t even tr unless there is a new class or race..

the point to the post is to pass on a little knowledge .. and perhaps help people avoid some of the pitfalls .. like a reaper xp rut.. or tr'ing forever..

if you want a take away from this post.. it should be .. the number of tr's pl's and xp grind in ddo is terrible.


I'm done with this post .. either enjoy it .. or not..

Cheers

[Stormraiser]

A single line unqualified response with out explanation is the definition of trolling.

If you had posted this as "my favorite quests to do while leveling" that would have been one thing. But to post this as the leveling guide that stresses XP per minute seems like a disservice to the community.

You claim a record 1-20 of 8hrs 24mins. Is that playtime or overall time as well?

Several others have highlighted several questionable (from an xp per minute point of view) quests in your list.

You list chains of flames, yet you skip diplo and frame work.
You list taming the flames and stormcleave yet skip Tomb of the Shadow Guard and xorian and the house k quick quests.

[GeneralDiomedes]

Regardless of some of the contradictions there are some legit speed run tactics in here that a newbie might not think of.