Post u51 Epic Feats

[FixBows]

So I did an Epic Reincarnation. I do not mind the level gating as some have indicated is an issue. What does bother me is the complete miss on a ranged feat at level 22. I see a doublestrike feat, I see plenty of caster boosts. I see some universal things like Pierce (metal type) and holy strike. I see perfect two handed and two weapon fighting, I even see a bard specific feat. Literally NOTHING that would be of great use for a ranged character. Yes, some CAN be used, but really, nothing on the same par with melee and casters.

It is such as useless feat selection for anyone using ranged combat. I am not sure this was properly thought through and needs something sooner rather than later.

[boredGamer]

So I did an Epic Reincarnation. I do not mind the level gating as some have indicated is an issue. What does bother me is the complete miss on a ranged feat at level 22. I see a doublestrike feat, I see plenty of caster boosts. I see some universal things like Pierce (metal type) and holy strike. I see perfect two handed and two weapon fighting, I even see a bard specific feat. Literally NOTHING that would be of great use for a ranged character. Yes, some CAN be used, but really, nothing on the same par with melee and casters.

It is such as useless feat selection for anyone using ranged combat. I am not sure this was properly thought through and needs something sooner rather than later.

It’s be better if you didn’t make it about play styles versus another. Epic feat selection is just fairly meh all around . Would love some better choices generally.

[Eme]

It’s be better if you didn’t make it about play styles versus another. Epic feat selection is just fairly meh all around . Would love some better choices generally.

I'm old enough to remember when we had better choices

[Deslen]

I'm old enough to remember when we had better choices

I'm old enough to remember back before we had epic levels! *waves cane*

Serious note, though, I don't ever recall an exciting selection of epic feats. They always felt 'meh'. Some are good, but frequently it feels like "What's the least useless?"

Some examples of feats from ye old Epic Level Handbook:

Additional Magic Item Space (no prereqs)
Pick an item type (Ring, Belt, Necklace, etc). You can now equip and gain the benefits of another one!

Automatic Metamagic (there are a few of these)
All spells of X level and below automatically have the effects of the chosen metamagic at no extra cost

Bane of Enemies (5 or more favoed enemies)
Your attacks gain the bane ability against all your favored enemies.

Death of Enemies (requires Bane of Enemies)
On crit, your favored enemies must save or die!

Epic Speed (Dex 21, Run (a feat not in DDO)
Increase your base speed by 30 while wearing medium or less armor.

Improved Spell Capacity (caster level 20)
You can memorize extra spells

Devastating Critical (Overwhelming Critical)
On crit, your enemies must save or die!


That's just skimming and paraphrasing, but there are so many exciting options DDO passed by.

[droid327]

Tbf, that slot was always lacking for ranged builds - I always just took pierce adam there, because it was the least not-useful. Now, we have at least one mildly attractive choice: Holy Strike, because if you're ranged then you're Shiradi, which makes the feat worth +5% fort and dodge bypass

[FixBows]

I think if they moved doubleshot to lvl 22 (where doublestrike is) and that would leave crush weakness as something to select at 25. Currently, it is not right imho and is imbalanced in terms of selection.

[MistaMagic]

So I did an Epic Reincarnation. I do not mind the level gating as some have indicated is an issue. What does bother me is the complete miss on a ranged feat at level 22. I see a doublestrike feat, I see plenty of caster boosts. I see some universal things like Pierce (metal type) and holy strike. I see perfect two handed and two weapon fighting, I even see a bard specific feat. Literally NOTHING that would be of great use for a ranged character. Yes, some CAN be used, but really, nothing on the same par with melee and casters.

It is such as useless feat selection for anyone using ranged combat. I am not sure this was properly thought through and needs something sooner rather than later.

Well I am Ranged and I take Holy Strike, then at lvl23 in the Sharadi tree (Base Line) I get 10% Dodge and fort bypass instead of 5%

[Krelar]

Don't worry it hits melee characters at a later level.

I just took a heroic feat at level 24 for my melee toon because there were no interesting epic ones.

[magaiti]

Yeah, 24 feat for melees is usually a heroic feat or epic toughness (if you have enough CON and took heroic toughness beforehand).

Doubleshot is arguably "too strong" for level 22, as it gives 10 doubleshot, while corresponding Doublestrike feat only gives 5%.

The only real choice for the first destiny feat for ranged for a long time has been DR breaker (Silver was popular during Ravenloft era, Adamantine for Sharn, Cold Iron for Feywild).
Holy Strike is more useful now, as it has a tie-in in U51 Shiradi.

[Enderoc]

So I did an Epic Reincarnation. I do not mind the level gating as some have indicated is an issue. What does bother me is the complete miss on a ranged feat at level 22. I see a doublestrike feat, I see plenty of caster boosts. I see some universal things like Pierce (metal type) and holy strike. I see perfect two handed and two weapon fighting, I even see a bard specific feat. Literally NOTHING that would be of great use for a ranged character. Yes, some CAN be used, but really, nothing on the same par with melee and casters.

It is such as useless feat selection for anyone using ranged combat. I am not sure this was properly thought through and needs something sooner rather than later.

are you elgible for combat archery? Does that come later?
And as I discussed in another thread...for those moaning about melee feats, where reaper is concerned shouldn't you be investing in something like quickdraw so you could switch between scrolls and throwing weapons in between cooldowns as you haphazardly heal with crossed fingers and luck on your UMD rolls? Complaining about shiradi when shiradi can make the barb the ranger it always wanted to be lol more so when forced to run away.
As the game progresses many times you will find yourself niched into the idea you must not stray from your chosen field of play to become the best at one thing. If you want to be the best at everything be a rogue...my opinion...but failing that sometimes you should take things which are not conventional... like the spellcraft skill if you wanted to add more elemental damage from a specific scion or both spellcraft and perform if you wanted to always get a little more from the random effects of shiradi.
Building for heroics does not make sense anymore... build for end game.

[boredGamer]

are you elgible for combat archery? Does that come later?
And as I discussed in another thread...for those moaning about melee feats, where reaper is concerned shouldn't you be investing in something like quickdraw so you could switch between scrolls and throwing weapons in between cooldowns as you haphazardly heal with crossed fingers and luck on your UMD rolls? Complaining about shiradi when shiradi can make the barb the ranger it always wanted to be lol more so when forced to run away.
As the game progresses many times you will find yourself niched into the idea you must not stray from your chosen field of play to become the best at one thing. If you want to be the best at everything be a rogue...my opinion...but failing that sometimes you should take things which are not conventional... like the spellcraft skill if you wanted to add more elemental damage from a specific scion or both spellcraft and perform if you wanted to always get a little more from the random effects of shiradi.
Building for heroics does not make sense anymore... build for end game.

I don’t know what’s a joke in here but if you’re scroll healing in epics currently it seems like you’re doing it wrong .

[magaiti]

I don’t know what’s a joke in here but if you’re scroll healing in epics currently it seems like you’re doing it wrong .

Sir, you are trying to talk sense into a Kobold.

[Seph1roth5]

Wait til you see the ranged options at 29.

[Cantor]

It’s be better if you didn’t make it about play styles versus another. Epic feat selection is just fairly meh all around . Would love some better choices generally.

Melee all get their perfect style feat at 22, it is definitely a ranged issue.

I also settle for holy strike for the shiradi boost.

[shores11]

So I did an Epic Reincarnation. I do not mind the level gating as some have indicated is an issue. What does bother me is the complete miss on a ranged feat at level 22. I see a doublestrike feat, I see plenty of caster boosts. I see some universal things like Pierce (metal type) and holy strike. I see perfect two handed and two weapon fighting, I even see a bard specific feat. Literally NOTHING that would be of great use for a ranged character. Yes, some CAN be used, but really, nothing on the same par with melee and casters.

It is such as useless feat selection for anyone using ranged combat. I am not sure this was properly thought through and needs something sooner rather than later.

My ranged (bowman) is a rogue/ranger. I took Doubleshot at level 25.

Lvl Class Feat
21 NA Combat Archery
22 NA Pierce Cold Iron
24 NA Overwhelming Critical
25 NA Doubleshot
27 NA Improved Sneak Attack
28 NA Harbinger of Chaos
30 NA Watchful Eye
30 NA Scion of the Ethereal Plane