Unhappy camper

[krimsonrane]

I've only set my detiny points up for one character so far. My WF EK. I lost a lot of combat ability with this change. To the point that there's no reason to be an EK. Mainly my critical multipliers for melee are nonexistent. Which means I got hit with a buildbreaker.
There are simply not enough points. I did get a few small DC increases. I also lost energy burst from magister then had it tied into my dragonbreath. Meaning two powerful attacks became only one. There's more but I don't even feel like getting into it now.

So what now? I'm expected to TR into something else? What about all my augments/sentient items, and dang SEVEN piece set that I grinded out for this build?

[Valerianus]

i feel bad for you, and for the general game flattening cause ED rework, push to trinity game, really bad for ddo cause it is not grounded on it, less build variety cause there will be "the right" setup for e.g. melee dps and the right setup for this and that and so on, and less adaptability cause no more destiny switch, and less new player friendly builds cause ETRs are more important than ever, but telling the truth, according to the thread title i was expecting a surprise new feature gone bad, like a camper to attach to our mounts.

[Chai]

Those things are pain points on purpose you are expected to buy your way past in the store. The periodic swapping of META ensures there will be enough spending-to-fix-broken-build churn.

The filigree system is especially hilarious with the order of operations needed, and using store bought items to unlock and de-slot everything. In context t oyour case here, most if not all EK players (or any hybrid build players) weren't wanting to play a standard wizard/sorc, which is what the +5 heart would allow turning your character into to salvage having to spending the time to ETR+TR it all the way back up again on something else.

[krimsonrane]

Those things are pain points on purpose you are expected to buy your way past in the store. The periodic swapping of META ensures there will be enough spending-to-fix-broken-build churn.

The filigree system is especially hilarious with the order of operations needed, and using store bought items to unlock and de-slot everything. In context t oyour case here, most if not all EK players (or any hybrid build players) weren't wanting to play a standard wizard/sorc, which is what the +5 heart would allow turning your character into to salvage having to spending the time to ETR+TR it all the way back up again on something else.

All of my gear will need to be changed. Including augments and sentient items. I'm not so sure I want to do that for every character I have.

[droid327]

What melee crit bonuses were there in EDs before that you lost? The only ones were the +1/19-20 ones that are still there

I'm unconvinced your situation doesn't still fall under "just need to figure out what works now". Energy Vortex, eg, can work better than burst+breath used to combined, especially for a melee playstyle

Try t5 fs, t4 drac, t2 us or pa, dep how many points you have. FS is crazy nice for melee, especially ones like ek that don't have a strong rotation of attacks in their class trees. Your playstyle is still there, you just have to find the right new pegs for your holes

[Chai]

What melee crit bonuses were there in EDs before that you lost? The only ones were the +1/19-20 ones that are still there

I'm unconvinced your situation doesn't still fall under "just need to figure out what works now". Energy Vortex, eg, can work better than burst+breath used to combined, especially for a melee playstyle

Try t5 fs, t4 drac, t2 us or pa, dep how many points you have. FS is crazy nice for melee, especially ones like ek that don't have a strong rotation of attacks in their class trees

Entire build/gear/filigree overhauls in a game that makes you pay time/money/both for each step and also has a hilarious inventory issue, are fun.

And by fun, I mean NOT fun.

This is not simply a matter of figuring out what works, its a matter of rebuilding, re-gaining all the XP, re-farming new gear for the new thing that works, then using a five gallon bucket of de-slotters to remove all the filigree, then the gem(s) from the gear, acquiring/using augments in the new gear, etc.

Meanwhile in other games that have had total revamps (gw2 comes to mind) I just open the window and re-do my build, takes about 5 minutes tops. Then I'm back on a map killing mobs and taking their loot.

AKA, I like to spend most/all of my time in games I play, you know, PLAYING the game.

[Bluenoser]

I'm unconvinced your situation doesn't still fall under "just need to figure out what works now". Energy Vortex, eg, can work better than burst+breath used to combined, especially for a melee playstyle

Try t5 fs, t4 drac, t2 us or pa, dep how many points you have. FS is crazy nice for melee, especially ones like ek that don't have a strong rotation of attacks in their class trees. Your playstyle is still there, you just have to find the right new pegs for your holes

Maybe. What players are going to notice is that what they get from their investment in EPLs has been heavily discounted in the new system, and they may have to do a lot of EPL grinding to get enough points to build back to the playstyle flexibility they had (and more to the point, ENJOYED). My EK-PM Wizard is a good example. Before U51, at lvl 30 I had 5 twist slots (1x tier 4, 2x tier 2, 2 x tier 1) + my ED, and was therefore usually pulling from 5-6 EDs total. Running in FS, that let me get energy burst, Enchant DCs from Magister and Evocation DCs from DI, Dance of Flowers, and a tier 1 for whatever was needed (int, electric sheath for some raids, 10% more sp, etc.). All of that was from "just" 15 EPLs, epic completionist, +3 Tome of Fate.

Under the new system, at lvl 30 I have Tier 5 in one tree (37 in FS, because yes, you'll want all of tier 5 on a spellsword) but only Tier 3 (18 pts) in another, so not enough for tier 4 Energy Vortex. So much for all of those wonderful variety of options--"from 3 trees!!!!"--promised by the forum paladins. I may have a respectable number of Destiny Points on paper, but they are being gobbled up by a lot of fluff, the inflationary gating to get into the tiers, and requiring multiple points to get/unlock something useful (ex: 3 DPs in FS--9 Fate Points in other words, or 27(!!) EPLs--to get 10 universal spell power? Really?).

That's not to deny there are some nice buffs in the new system. As I wasn't running in Magister pre-U51, I have more DCs overall, and the FS epic strike (sonic, 4 sec cooldown scaling 200% off melee power) is very nice dps. If you're on an EK, the +3 spellsword dice (3d12 on my toon) from tier 3 DI is great. Overall, EK still seems viable (not OP, never was), but I am definitely more constrained in my ED choices and unable to afford key off-ED abilities anymore. The jury's very much out on whether what I can afford will offset the losses.

PS: In case a developer reads this, I'll make a plug to add at least melee power to the Magus cores. It seems like an obvious synergy with EK-Pale Master (who else would make use of Magus's damaging neg energy aura that assumes you're surrounded by mobs?), and would make that ED a lot more attractive to EKs. Plus, it would harmonize it with the other hybrid trees like FS, SD, and (for ranged) Shiradi. Thanks!

[Dark_Lord_Mary]

I've only set my detiny points up for one character so far. My WF EK. I lost a lot of combat ability with this change. To the point that there's no reason to be an EK. Mainly my critical multipliers for melee are nonexistent. Which means I got hit with a buildbreaker.
There are simply not enough points. I did get a few small DC increases. I also lost energy burst from magister then had it tied into my dragonbreath. Meaning two powerful attacks became only one. There's more but I don't even feel like getting into it now.

So what now? I'm expected to TR into something else? What about all my augments/sentient items, and dang SEVEN piece set that I grinded out for this build?

Have you checked out the DDO store? there's some lovely selections to purchase that will solve the 2nd vacation home issue.