TW Dwarven Axe Tempest possible?

[SouCarioca]

I was toying with DDO Builder but am too much of a noob to know if I am just setting this guy up for a disaster. The general idea is simply a Dwarven Tempest wielding two Dwarven Axes. Would that work?


Character name:
Classes: 20 Ranger, 10 Epic
Race: Dwarf · · · · · · · ·Alignment: Lawful Good

· · ·Start Tome Final · · ·Incorp:· · ·5% · · ·Displacement:· · 0%
Str:· · 14· · 8 · ·22 · · ·HP:· · · · 687 · · ·AC:· · 35
Dex:· · 18· · 8 · ·37 · · ·PRR: · · · ·35
Con:· · 17· · 8 · ·28 · · ·MRR: · · · ·20 · · ·+Healing Amp:· · 10
Int:· · 10· · 8 · ·18 · · ·Dodge: · ·8/25 · · ·-Healing Amp:· · ·0
Wis:· · ·8· · 8 · ·16 · · ·Fort:· · · ·0% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · ·0
Cha:· · ·6· · 8 · ·14 · · ·SR:· · · · · 0 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 25
DR:
Immunities:

Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Ranger(1) · · · ·Standard: Toughness
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Undead
2 · · Ranger(2) · · · ·
3 · · Ranger(3) · · · ·Standard: Dodge
4 · · Ranger(4) · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
5 · · Ranger(5) · · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Evil Outsider
6 · · Ranger(6) · · · ·Standard: Mobility
7 · · Ranger(7) · · · ·
8 · · Ranger(8) · · · ·Constitution: +1 Level up
9 · · Ranger(9) · · · ·Standard: Precision
10· · Ranger(10)· · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Giant
11· · Ranger(11)· · · ·
12· · Ranger(12)· · · ·Standard: Two Weapon Defense
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
13· · Ranger(13)· · · ·
14· · Ranger(14)· · · ·
15· · Ranger(15)· · · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Construct
16· · Ranger(16)· · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
17· · Ranger(17)· · · ·
18· · Ranger(18)· · · ·Standard: Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
19· · Ranger(19)· · · ·
20· · Ranger(20)· · · ·Favored Enemy: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·
23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Empty Feat Slot

Granted Feats
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Deflect Arrows
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Enhancements: 80 APs
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Dwarf - Points spent: 12
1 Core ·(1) Toughness I
2 Tier1 (2) Weapon Training I: Axe Training
3 Core ·(2) Constitution I
4 Core ·(1) Toughness II
5 Tier2 (2) Weapon Training II: Axe Training
6 Core ·(2) Constitution II
7 Tier3 (2) Weapon Training III: Axe Training
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Deepwood Stalker - Points spent: 23
1 Core ·(1) Far Shot
2 Tier1 (1) Favored Defense
3 Tier1 (1) Favored Defense
4 Tier1 (1) Favored Defense
5 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
6 Tier2 (1) Improved Weapon Finesse
7 Tier2 (2) Survivalist I
8 Core ·(1) Sneak Attack
9 Tier2 (1) Faster Sneaking
10 Tier3 (2) Survivalist II
11 Core ·(1) Called Shot: Exposing Strike
12 Tier3 (1) Favored Hunter
13 Tier3 (1) Favored Hunter
14 Tier3 (1) Favored Hunter
15 Tier3 (2) Ability I: +1 Dexterity
16 Tier3 (1) Thrill of the Hunt
17 Tier3 (1) Thrill of the Hunt
18 Core ·(1) Advanced Sneak Attack
19 Tier4 (2) Survivalist III
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Tempest - Points spent: 45
1 Core ·(1) Shield of Whirling Steel
2 Tier1 (2) Whirling Blades I
3 Tier1 (1) Improved Defence
4 Tier1 (1) Improved Reaction
5 Tier1 (1) Improved Reaction
6 Tier1 (1) Improved Reaction
7 Tier1 (1) Improved Defence
8 Tier1 (1) Improved Defence
9 Core ·(1) Tempest
10 Core ·(1) Graceful Death
11 Tier2 (1) Improved Parry
12 Tier2 (1) Improved Parry
13 Tier2 (1) Improved Parry
14 Tier2 (1) Improved Dodge
15 Tier2 (1) Improved Dodge
16 Tier2 (1) Improved Dodge
17 Tier2 (2) Whirling Blades II
18 Tier3 (2) Whirling Blades III
19 Tier4 (2) Whirling Blades IV
20 Core ·(1) Deflect Arrows
21 Tier3 (1) Critical Mastery
22 Tier3 (1) Critical Mastery
23 Tier3 (2) Storm Dancer
24 Tier4 (2) Storm Tempest
25 Tier5 (2) Dual Perfection
26 Tier4 (1) The Growing Storm
27 Tier4 (1) The Growing Storm
28 Tier4 (1) The Growing Storm
29 Tier5 (2) Whirling Blades V
30 Tier5 (1) Dance of Death
31 Tier5 (1) Dance of Death
32 Tier5 (1) Dance of Death
33 Core ·(1) Whirlwind
34 Core ·(1) Dervish
35 Tier5 (1) Cuts: Tempest: A Thousand Cuts
36 Tier5 (1) Cuts: Tempest: A Thousand Cuts
37 Tier5 (1) Cuts: Tempest: A Thousand Cuts
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[TFerguson]

Battle axes with Knights training is better. It's till sub-optimal but it'd be okay.

[SouCarioca]

Battle axes with Knights training is better. It's till sub-optimal but it'd be okay.

Well, the idea was obviously for Dwarves with Dwarven Axes, though admittedly there is a dearth of variety in decent DAs. Alternately, I thought maybe preparing for dual Oathblades down the road, with Knight's Training. Not sure about race or whether Tempest or Kensei would be best though.

[Enderoc]

Can't you take two handed feats to get melee power when wielding Dwarven axes dual wielding?
I would dump oversized and two weapon defense for THF and ITHF if so and possibly mobility as well to get the whole line.
This will allow more options as well like switching from a real two handed weapon for many mobs to two weapons when you just have a few.
Take away toughness and dodge now you can use power attack and cleave...
Could then invest into con more heavily and throw your weight around for con to damage.
A melee ranger only has to worry about devotion and all other equipment dedicated to melee combat...dodge accuracy deadly seeker and insightful of these are easy enough to slot in.
If you are going strength based you may as well go half orc and drop precision for Dwarven axe...or take knights training and battle axes. Or just switch off power attack and precision depending if you are ranging or in melee.
And change all those feats as I said above lol
You would have a true Man (Orc) at Arms build...

[TFerguson]

Can't you take two handed feats to get melee power when wielding Dwarven axes dual wielding?

It doesn't work.

[Enderoc]

Well, the idea was obviously for Dwarves with Dwarven Axes, though admittedly there is a dearth of variety in decent DAs. Alternately, I thought maybe preparing for dual Oathblades down the road, with Knight's Training. Not sure about race or whether Tempest or Kensei would be best though.

I made my oath blade sentient. Yeah it gives a nice crit range if you spec for it...problem is like most named weapons you can usually craft better damage dealers with two augment slots and three beneficial effects.

[magaiti]

If you want a Dwarven Tempest wielding axes for flavor, then Battle Axes with Knight's Training feat are best for DPS.
Dwarven axes will have sub-optimal DPS while providing no other benefits. And flavor-wise, nobody will probably notice the difference between a battleaxe and a dwarven axe.

[C-Dog]

Can't you take two handed feats to get melee power when wielding Dwarven axes dual wielding?

Once upon a time, perhaps; now, when fighting 2-handed you use 2H feats, and when fighting w/ 2 weapons only 2-weapon feats apply - pretty much that simple.

Battle axes with Knights training is better. It's till sub-optimal but it'd be okay.

Dual Khopeshes are the best; anything else will still work, just not be "the best".

I have a St-based dwarf dual-dwaxe character (Ranger/Fighter/Wizard 1) that tears it up just fine.

I was toying with DDO Builder but am too much of a noob to know if I am just setting this guy up for a disaster. The general idea is simply a Dwarven Tempest wielding two Dwarven Axes. Would that work?...

It'll work, just not as well as it could/should.

"Toughness" is considered a sub-par feat - you can easily do better. And Oversized Two Weapon Fighting is completely unnecessary - if you have a decent "to hit" stat, you're good to go and will only miss on a natural "1", so, again, you can do better.

There are many builds for Tempests, pure and multi-class - pick one and go with it, can't go wrong.

Here're just a few examples:

o https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...t-ranger-build

o & counter suggestion https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post6145754

o the classic https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ivine-crusader

o 2 Rangers for HC (so leaning more toward survivability, less pure DPS) https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post6236501 (not "dwarf", but you can easily tweak to fit)

[magaiti]

Dual Khopeshes are the best; anything else will still work, just not be "the best".

Could you please elaborate how exactly Khopeshes are better than Battle Axes or Longswords (or warhammers after they change Knight's Training feat in U51)?

And Oversized Two Weapon Fighting is completely unnecessary - if you have a decent "to hit" stat, you're good to go and will only miss on a natural "1", so, again, you can do better.

You will definitely be missing not only on a natural "1" in end-game higher-difficulty content. To-hit bonuses become important there, though -2 penalty is still too small to be worth a feat.

[magaiti]

OP, first of all - you want your weapons to scale off your main stat.
IF you want to go DEX, you are limited to Scimitars (via Tempest enhancements) or light weapons (Handaxes / Light Picks).
If you want heavy weapons (any other kind of axe), you have to go STR.

If you take dodge& mobility, might as well take Spring Attack for it's active ability

[Assassination]

And flavor-wise, nobody will probably notice the difference between a battleaxe and a dwarven axe.

Oh, the elves will have a good laugh..