about 64-bit servers

[Valerianus]

just wanted to ask a little question, please, if 64-bit servers are on the radar for ddo, with no intent of commenting who's getting those first and who's last, that would be useless rubbish, no comments, just hoping for a simple answer like yes-someday or no-forgettabbautit. hoping yes actually


thank you.


EDIT: my bad, should have linked "the trigger" from the start, the question alone makes no sense at all.

at 10:45, the talk about evernight server lag

[Arkat]

If the servers are running Windows 2008 R2, they are likely running the 64-bit version of that OS. If the servers are running Windows 2012 or later, they're DEFINITELY running a 64-bit OS.

The question you should be asking is whether the DDO backend (including the SQL Server version) is also 64-bit?

SQL is probably 64-bit but the server-side DDO software is pretty likely to still be 32-bit. I could be wrong there, though. After all, they did put out a 64-bit PC client.

[AebroKomatme]

If the servers are running Windows 2008 R2, they are likely running the 64-bit version of that OS. If the servers are sunning Windows 2012 or later, they're DEFINITELY running a 64-bit OS.

The question you should be asking is whether the DDO backend (including the SQL Server version) is also 64-bit?

SQL is probably 64-bit but the server-side DDO software is pretty likely to still be 32-bit. I could be wrong there, though. After all, they did put out a 64-bit PC client.

That “64-bit PC client” they put out is nothing more than an emulation of the original 32-bit client. That super-low 32-bit performance ceiling is still there.

[Wayoff]

just wanted to ask a little question, please, if 64-bit servers are on the radar for ddo, with no intent of commenting who's getting those first and who's last, that would be useless rubbish, no comments, just hoping for a simple answer like yes-someday or no-forgettabbautit. hoping yes actually


thank you.

That's like asking when your Vacuum Cleaner will be 64 bit. What you are saying doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

A server is a virtual or physical appliance on top of physical hardware that allows guest operating systems and applications to run and have access to a portion of the hardware the server presents.

As DDO is a presented application with many overlapping levels of service delivery look to OSI layers 5, 6, & 7 for areas of improvement as well as integration systems and probably the 100 other systems that support this.

Source: Am a Computer Engineer.

[Valerianus]

That's like asking when your Vacuum Cleaner will be 64 bit. What you are saying doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

A server is a virtual or physical appliance on top of physical hardware that allows guest operating systems and applications to run and have access to a portion of the hardware the server presents.

As DDO is a presented application with many overlapping levels of service delivery look to OSI layers 5, 6, & 7 for areas of improvement as well as integration systems and probably the 100 other systems that support this.

Source: Am a Computer Engineer.

you know what? you are right

i understand no tech, the pc i'm using right now, i see it as a demons-ridden machine powered and driven by the forces of chaos. but it is pretty handy, i can communicate with you thru space and time.

i'm spacing out.


i was saying, totally my bad, i'm sorry, i should have included from the start what triggered my question.



go to 10:45 the answer about the evernight server lag






edited OP with the link

[Valerianus]

no news? no hints? please...

it seems really important to me, server performance, it sounds like THE MOST needed game changer, stuff that can really make players happy and bring more players back, more returning players, by far more important than new content!

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

I often think that people overestimate what "64 bit" can do.

To me, it's merely a longer length for variables, from a programming point of view. Which means to me : I don't know why 64 bit should be that better ...

Or have I missed there something ?

[AebroKomatme]

I often think that people overestimate what "64 bit" can do.

To me, it's merely a longer length for variables, from a programming point of view. Which means to me : I don't know why 64 bit should be that better ...

Or have I missed there something ?

In a nutshell, a 32-bit (2^32) system is limited to just 4 GB RAM, while a 64-bit (2^64) system has a theoretical limit of 17,179,869,184 GB RAM.

[misterski]

I often think that people overestimate what "64 bit" can do.

To me, it's merely a longer length for variables, from a programming point of view. Which means to me : I don't know why 64 bit should be that better ...

Or have I missed there something ?

You have all of the Internet at your fingertips and could have looked this up yourself. In addition to the much much much etc. larger address space/memory that has already been mentioned, 64-bit is just plain more efficient than 32-bit, due to the "merely longer length for variables" that you seem dismissive of.

[Wayoff]

Why stop at 64 bit servers? Lets throw 64 bit RAM at it too.

How about 64 bit hard drives or 64 bit CPU and 64 bit cabling with 64 bit zip ties to make it look better.

Make sure the electrical outlets are 64 bit too and the building cabling better be 64 bit as well. Is the internet even 64 bit? I don't know but it should be.

Why have we never thought of any of this? Oh my god it solves everything.

[AebroKomatme]

Why stop at 64 bit servers? Lets throw 64 bit RAM at it too.

How about 64 bit hard drives or 64 bit CPU and 64 bit cabling with 64 bit zip ties to make it look better.

Make sure the electrical outlets are 64 bit too and the building cabling better be 64 bit as well. Is the internet even 64 bit? I don't know but it should be.

Why have we never thought of any of this? Oh my god it solves everything.

Living up to the name, I see.

[boredGamer]

Well , if the servers aren’t 64 bit, he might have a point .

[Arkat]

Well , if the servers aren’t 64 bit, he might have a point .

They are.

[magaiti]

They are.

Why do we still have 4.3mil plat limit then?

[Arkat]

Why do we still have 4.3mil plat limit then?

Client limitation, probably.

See AebroKomatme's explanation above.

It could also be the server-side DDO software is still 32-bit.

The servers (hardware) and OSes themselves are 64-bit.

[boredGamer]

They are.

Really shot down my joke with a hard fact.

[AebroKomatme]

Why do we still have 4.3mil plat limit then?

A huge chunk of that reason is that even though we have a “64-bit client,” in reality it’s nothing more than a 64-bit emulation of the original 32-bit client. If they didn’t do that, the game wouldn’t function at all on newer OS’s that have dropped 32-bit support. They did the bare minimum to get by, so all the 32-bit limits are still hard baked into it.