I am really regretting choosing an inquisitive racial life

[SiliconScout]

At least 30$ of my bolts, probably more, do absolutely nothing. The lag is so bad that I run around hopping and jumping through Mobs praying I am doing something and either they suddenly take a ton of damage or I die.

It's not my system either. I have a rock solid 25 Meg connection that I am wired into. This PC easily handles PUBG on ultra graphics without any lag at all.

Very frustrating, not fun. I just logged in for the first time In a week where I thought what the hell I will do some questing and after the first 2 rooms I just recalled out and quit. It's not fun to basically run around for a while and then have the game RNG a win for you on the room.

[Annex]

The lag on Khyber definitely increased when Night Revels opened. Yesterday, I experienced quite a few battles similar to what you describe while playing my Greatsword wielding Paladin. They involved lots of swinging and jumping around with nothing taking damage, then the freeze comes, then everything catches up and most of the enemies fall over dead as I take a bunch of damage. After a while, the lag ends and everything goes back to normal.

[Oxarhamar]

At least 30$ of my bolts, probably more, do absolutely nothing. The lag is so bad that I run around hopping and jumping through Mobs praying I am doing something and either they suddenly take a ton of damage or I die.

It's not my system either. I have a rock solid 25 Meg connection that I am wired into. This PC easily handles PUBG on ultra graphics without any lag at all.

Very frustrating, not fun. I just logged in for the first time In a week where I thought what the hell I will do some questing and after the first 2 rooms I just recalled out and quit. It's not fun to basically run around for a while and then have the game RNG a win for you on the room.

this has been the case for ranged combat for IDK how long

You can target something shoot at it nothing happens then select a new target shoot at it and damage comes up on the first target sometimes

it can easily be tested outside of combat on a pile of boxes

[Baahb3]

This just seems to be getting worse and worse. I just finished 2 hours of Sharn questing on a bow build and it was beyond frustrating.

This is not difficult to reproduce either! Just stand there, hold down the attack button and tab target between targets after each shot. Repro done.

This is not even the point blank issues ranged/spells have, this is flat out ranged shots not registering at ranged targets. Both need to be fixed but this one makes ranged combat very, very frustrating.

[dredre9987]

Just wanted to say a 25 mb connection isn't even industry standard anymore. Comcast for instance lowest is 50 mb.

Not doubting your system or anything but try lowering resolution a bit and see if anything changes.
Certain days I have to drop to 1024x768 to get it going well. Looks like **** and half my bars don't fit well because no UI scaling...

If I solo I have no issues whatsoever no matter what I play on but go into a group and lag begins like crazy some days. Events are usually the worst though I had no issues with Cove

[Oliphant]

(Player) Ranged hits seem to be the first thing that disappears as lag creeps in.

[Oxarhamar]

(Player) Ranged hits seem to be the first thing that disappears as lag creeps in.

I’ve had a ranged Artificer since Artificer came out (also play other builds) it’s been like this since level cap increase to 30 before when the cap was 28 ranged damage hits worked fine

[Dejvid]

last year i did my mabar questing on my inquisitive. it was annoying but i could tolerate it.

this year i started with my bow wielding ranger, and on the second day i switched to warlock.
the amount of arrows beeing fired and nothings happenning is just annoying. on wayfinder. with less then 30 players online.

*sigh*

[Steeme]

Yup, I haven't bothered with any ranged builds in quite a while. I tried playing with bows on an alt after the bow update and was continually saying "I'm making the motions, but nothing's happening..." all the way up to cap.

I played quite a few inquisitive lives in the Sept 2019->Jan 2020 range before it was "rebalanced", then took a break and switched to melee to play with the new strikethrough changes. I don't recall the targeting issues being that bad back then. I believe it is just worsening with the general lag issues where the player's game client is out of sync with the server side.

As someone who is required to solo on any build, I can tell you that the combination of client/server de-sync, the animation change to "no-holds bored", and the -20% damage to IPS is enough for me to ignore that archetype altogether. Might give it a shot after U51 to play with some of the ED changes, but I suspect I will run into the same issues.

[Marshal_Lannes]

It seems to me the signature of the OP is a bit at odds with trying two rooms than quitting. When playing Inquisitive at times I experienced the arrows not firing moment. Leveling is still extremely easy since it is mostly a two-button build. Most success involves a moderate degree of perseverance.

[Oxarhamar]

It seems to me the signature of the OP is a bit at odds with trying two rooms than quitting. When playing Inquisitive at times I experienced the arrows not firing moment. Leveling is still extremely easy since it is mostly a two-button build. Most success involves a moderate degree of perseverance.

Yeah not firing is a real issue and has been since level cap 30 increase

[SiliconScout]

Just wanted to say a 25 mb connection isn't even industry standard anymore. Comcast for instance lowest is 50 mb.

Not doubting your system or anything but try lowering resolution a bit and see if anything changes.
Certain days I have to drop to 1024x768 to get it going well. Looks like **** and half my bars don't fit well because no UI scaling...

If I solo I have no issues whatsoever no matter what I play on but go into a group and lag begins like crazy some days. Events are usually the worst though I had no issues with Cove

OK that made me laugh. Look if DDO needs more than a 25MB synchronous connection to play the game then it's beyond broken. There is NO way it's sending and receiving nearly 3 GIGABITs of data a minute. I could literally download the entire game in well under 10 minutes. I just tested my connection and I am hitting the Boston Comcast servers, with a jitter of 1ms and latency of about 75ms. Keep in mind that is hitting Boston, so assuming that they don't have a robust CDN for the game and are just running out of their datacenter that connection should be very happy. Trust me that is rock solid and more than enough bandwidth to handle DDO.

Resolution doesn't matter. DDO typically can run over 200 fps on my system at my resolution but I throttle it to run in sync with my monitor. For chuckles though I did try reducing it and all it meant was I didn't see as much going on around me. The lag was the same. As far as I can tell the lag's got nothing to do with my graphics display, my connection or my PC hardware. From what I am seeing it would appear to be very obviously that it is server side. As I said I can play PUBG at full resolution and 120 fps without lag or gameplay issues trust me my PC can easily handle DDO.

I didn't used to see lag, even when there were a lot of people complaining about it, I just didn't see it. But lately it's so bad I just get frustrated and sign off before I even complete a quest. Sounds like it might not be a purely ranged issue though so maybe I'd be just as frustrated on a melee or caster life. Kinda explains why I almost never actually play the game anymore and most of my guild has been MIA for 5+ months now.

I should mention I was soloing ... been doing almost nothing but for months now.

[SiliconScout]

It seems to me the signature of the OP is a bit at odds with trying two rooms than quitting. When playing Inquisitive at times I experienced the arrows not firing moment. Leveling is still extremely easy since it is mostly a two-button build. Most success involves a moderate degree of perseverance.

Not really. It's hardly like that was the first time I experienced that and so I quit. To be clear I have been signing in and running quests for weeks now and each session is shorter and shorter because I would become frustrated with the game play. It's not the "arrows not firing moment" I have seen that before, sadly seen it often. This is more the "combat is happening in a spreadsheet on the server" sort of experience and then once it's resolved I get to see all the "stuff" that happened all at once.

I am not saying I wasn't clearing the rooms, I was. I am not saying I was dying, I wasn't. Leveling is not an issue as I can get to the end and get my XP. The issue is that it wasn't fun, not even remotely. If I wanted to play a button / rotation masher I would be playing WoW. I have played DDO because it's active combat is simply so much more engaging for me. Lately it's not really been possible because the attacks I see on my screen aren't even close to matching what's happening behind the scenes on the server.

So yeah I got in, got 2 rooms into the dungeon and realized it wasn't any better than it has been for weeks and quit out. I went and played some Gloomhaven and PUBG instead. I don't have unlimited leisure time, there's no way I am going to spend it soloing in a game that isn't proving to be engaging to play.

That said if you don't let them know what's going on they can't address it. Something changed around U50 that made things a LOT worse for ranged play, I don't know what but it did and it sounds like it might be a little more universal.

[dredre9987]

OK that made me laugh. Look if DDO needs more than a 25MB synchronous connection to play the game then it's beyond broken. There is NO way it's sending and receiving nearly 3 GIGABITs of data a minute. I could literally download the entire game in well under 10 minutes. I just tested my connection and I am hitting the Boston Comcast servers, with a jitter of 1ms and latency of about 75ms. Keep in mind that is hitting Boston, so assuming that they don't have a robust CDN for the game and are just running out of their datacenter that connection should be very happy. Trust me that is rock solid and more than enough bandwidth to handle DDO.

Resolution doesn't matter. DDO typically can run over 200 fps on my system at my resolution but I throttle it to run in sync with my monitor. For chuckles though I did try reducing it and all it meant was I didn't see as much going on around me. The lag was the same. As far as I can tell the lag's got nothing to do with my graphics display, my connection or my PC hardware. From what I am seeing it would appear to be very obviously that it is server side. As I said I can play PUBG at full resolution and 120 fps without lag or gameplay issues trust me my PC can easily handle DDO.

I didn't used to see lag, even when there were a lot of people complaining about it, I just didn't see it. But lately it's so bad I just get frustrated and sign off before I even complete a quest. Sounds like it might not be a purely ranged issue though so maybe I'd be just as frustrated on a melee or caster life. Kinda explains why I almost never actually play the game anymore and most of my guild has been MIA for 5+ months now.

I should mention I was soloing ... been doing almost nothing but for months now.

Like I said 25mbs is no longer industry standard. Most ISP’s no longer sell anything less than 50. I never said it was your issue. Also as an aside 25mbs is 1.5 g per min not 3. The other things I didn’t think were causing an issue either but always worth checking.

Hope it gets sorted

[SiliconScout]

Like I said 25mbs is no longer industry standard. Most ISP’s no longer sell anything less than 50. I never said it was your issue. Also as an aside 25mbs is 1.5 g per min not 3. The other things I didn’t think were causing an issue either but always worth checking.

Hope it gets sorted

Well trust me in Rural Saskatchewan going higher than 25 is gets prohibitively expensive and the base out here is 2 Mb and the faster available to residential would be a 50. And as I stated though in my case it's 25 synchronous, the 3 GB is combined up and down and accordingly I noted sending and receiving.

In 10 minutes I could, in theory, get a15GB downloaded but with overhead and throttling I generally download about 12.5 Gb ... DDO's install is well under 11 Gb so yeah, I could pull the whole game down in 10 minutes at home. There's no way it's a capacity issue.

But @ work I do have a 100mb synchronous connection available so I have tried it there and it's the same, jitter is the same and latency is only 2ms faster granted the throughput is substantially more.

Unfortunately it's server side and it's getting worse. Not good signs at all.

[boredGamer]

Well trust me in Rural Saskatchewan going higher than 25 is gets prohibitively expensive and the base out here is 2 Mb and the faster available to residential would be a 50. And as I stated though in my case it's 25 synchronous, the 3 GB is combined up and down and accordingly I noted sending and receiving.

In 10 minutes I could, in theory, get a15GB downloaded but with overhead and throttling I generally download about 12.5 Gb ... DDO's install is well under 11 Gb so yeah, I could pull the whole game down in 10 minutes at home. There's no way it's a capacity issue.

But @ work I do have a 100mb synchronous connection available so I have tried it there and it's the same, jitter is the same and latency is only 2ms faster granted the throughput is substantially more.

Unfortunately it's server side and it's getting worse. Not good signs at all.

But you get it's weird to not be wrong about your point, but be saying weird things about the metrics, right? And that other nerds would point that out?

25Mb is not good anymore, nor was 75 ping EVER good (at least since I went to college, 20 years ago).

So, yeah, we agree, lag sucks. But you keep saying weird things also.


Last question - why not just switch out of inquisitive? There's gotta be a build no matter the stat that can at least run elite. I've always hated all bow builds, so I agree with you generally.

[Hawkwier]

At least 30$ of my bolts, probably more, do absolutely nothing. The lag is so bad that I run around hopping and jumping through Mobs praying I am doing something and either they suddenly take a ton of damage or I die.

It's not my system either. I have a rock solid 25 Meg connection that I am wired into. This PC easily handles PUBG on ultra graphics without any lag at all.

Very frustrating, not fun. I just logged in for the first time In a week where I thought what the hell I will do some questing and after the first 2 rooms I just recalled out and quit. It's not fun to basically run around for a while and then have the game RNG a win for you on the room.

Stop whining! I really don't know what all the fuss is about. They fixed the effects queue thingy, so lag is no longer an issue. Everything is just peachy now. Nothing to see here, move along.

Whaddaya mean you're not seeing much difference? Get with the program, man!

Or, something...

[dredre9987]

But you get it's weird to not be wrong about your point, but be saying weird things about the metrics, right? And that other nerds would point that out?

25Mb is not good anymore, nor was 75 ping EVER good (at least since I went to college, 20 years ago).

So, yeah, we agree, lag sucks. But you keep saying weird things also.


Last question - why not just switch out of inquisitive? There's gotta be a build no matter the stat that can at least run elite. I've always hated all bow builds, so I agree with you generally.

And that was all I was trying to point out. Not a lag denier by any means LOL

[CrackedIce]

Yeah not firing is a real issue and has been since level cap 30 increase

Have the Devs said anything about this? The dry firing of ranged (using bow atm) is completely ruining the game experience and more likely to result in wasted attack clicky use as well as the loss of FPS feel for the playstyle....ranged attacks used to be smooth like butter....and now feels like mortal combat button smashing.....

[SiliconScout]

But you get it's weird to not be wrong about your point, but be saying weird things about the metrics, right? And that other nerds would point that out?

25Mb is not good anymore, nor was 75 ping EVER good (at least since I went to college, 20 years ago).

So, yeah, we agree, lag sucks. But you keep saying weird things also.


Last question - why not just switch out of inquisitive? There's gotta be a build no matter the stat that can at least run elite. I've always hated all bow builds, so I agree with you generally.

Well ping numbers are relative to distance right and provider. In my case I am headed clear across the continent

Some examples of my pings

• Comcast - Boston = 73
• iBoss - Boston = 66
• Starry - Boston = 60
• Starry - NY = 59
• Rogers - Toronto = 46
• Cloudflare - LA = 36
• Sasktel - Saskatoon = 16 (this would my provider and the nearest city about 120 KM or about 72 miles from me)

I based my speed to SSG assuming they are most likely on a Comcast link but they could very well be on a better managed network giving me a lower ping but I doubt I am going to see anything under 60 still maybe it is, if so that's even worse for them.

The real key, at least to me, is that jitter is often 0 or 1 and the ping speeds are consistent regardless of time of day or traffic in town i.e. my internet connection is very stable and certainly fast enough to handle DDO. Regardless I think that we can all agree that if having a ping in the 70ms range was the reason DDO lagged then they have serious issues. And for the record this is the same connection I have had for years and up until U 49/50 (not sure which) I almost never experienced lag.

I could switch out of inquisitive but being an Arty as my main class dumping everything around to go melee is very sub-optimal. I suppose I could go caster and give that a try.. but the 4 levels of Rogue I took are really going to bugger that up so really it's melee or ranged at this point (I only have 2.5 levels left to grind out). And doing so is doable it is just so bloody boring and unfun i can't stomach it right now.

The point is my connection and computer are very unlikely to be the issue with the completely unfun way "combat" works now since the recent changes and it's bad enough for me (and others I know) to stop playing, in some cases stop entirely.