U51 Preview 2: Exalted Angel (Notes Only)

[Niab]

Is it me missing something ? Or there are no caster levels addition in any epic destinies anymore?

[rabidfox]

Is it me missing something ? Or there are no caster levels addition in any epic destinies anymore?

We gain +1 CL & +1 MCL per 2 levels in epics (for +5 total) so it's no longer linked to class types per ED, you just get them all around while leveling.

[nobodynobody1426]

Actually yes my warlock should be in EA it is very synergetic with its play style and what it is good at and I have done many many epic lives in all sorts of destinies, the sound burst, divine wrath & mass cure are an advantage to how it plays. I also twist in conj focuses & energy burst .... cause it is a boom boom 6 second wonder of destruction and they it sucks for 12 seconds then boom boom again ...
please stop trying to tell me how to play a toon that has over 100 lives done the hard way, actually playing every class and mix of classes before becoming what it is.

Well don't let he door hit ya on the way out cause .. Energy Burst isn't conjuration, and the SLA's from EA don't use spell DC bonus's causing this to be resisted.

[slarden]

Well don't let he door hit ya on the way out cause .. Energy Burst isn't conjuration, and the SLA's from EA don't use spell DC bonus's causing this to be resisted.

I assume he is taking conjuration focus primarily for a better tentacles and web rather than to support energy burst.

I think the valid point is that removing divine wrath from exalted angel and making it a divine spell isn't a neutral change. It's a change that might benefit or be neutral for divines (it depends how caster level and such is implemented), but hurts warlocks yet again. At least based on my experience exalted angel is the most common destiny and a warlock in EA is losing divine wrath, energy burst twist, mass frog and self-healing.

Warlock is left with a 99-base damage attack from their own class and not gaining enough to offset that huge set of losses.

At least in my view addressing things like this post-U51 with some future destiny helping warlocks isn't good enough or acceptable. If you are going to break it in U51 you need to fix it in U51.

[nobodynobody1426]

I assume he is taking conjuration focus primarily for a better tentacles and web rather than to support energy burst.

I think the valid point is that removing divine wrath from exalted angel and making it a divine spell isn't a neutral change. It's a change that might benefit or be neutral for divines (it depends how caster level and such is implemented), but hurts warlocks yet again. At least based on my experience exalted angel is the most common destiny and a warlock in EA is losing divine wrath, energy burst twist, mass frog and self-healing.

Warlock is left with a 99-base damage attack from their own class and not gaining enough to offset that huge set of losses.

At least in my view addressing things like this post-U51 with some future destiny helping warlocks isn't good enough or acceptable. If you are going to break it in U51 you need to fix it in U51.

Divine Wrath is a terrible damage spell, it's 7 base damage per CL which is on par with a level 4 spell, not to mention it's DC ends up being so low that everything makes the save. If you want damage just be in DI and twist in the +30 light spell power, get the free Precise Casting and twist in the +3 DC from Magister. Warlock isn't exactly in a good place right now but trying to force an explicitly divine themed ED into it, then complaining when the new version doesn't fit right seems counter-intuitive. Why didn't folks bring up the lack of pack dice and other Warlock boosting powers in the DI or Magus tree's?

I mean from the very top

Overview: Exalted Angels are uniquely tuned into Divine magic. While primarily focused on Positive Healing, Light, and Fire spellcasting, non-casters looking into the path of the Exalted Angel may find help in laying the Undead to rest and some defensive tools that could be useful while doing so. Exalted Angels can use Angelic form to become more like Celestial beings, shrugging off damage and diseases that might otherwise kill those not favored by the Divine

It's like complaining that Fury of the Wild isn't helping Sorcerer out. We should demand they fix Fury so to help out Sorcerer's because Fury not benefiting them is unacceptable.