Experience of fresh level 20 no TR lifes.

[MasterDragonan]

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What can I tell you about my experience with fresh level 20, 0 TRs.

Boring, Dull, underpowered, unfun, unfulfilling should I keep going?
I know for the fact that after U51 is released I won't be doing any TRing on my main for that fact, so if I run out of content then be it I will look around to do something else. Epic TRs are dead as is.

They said let's kill all the fun in the game and they did it.

So why is it underpowered?

At level 20 you get 13 DP, what can you get for them.
3 Cores just some + bonuses to stats nothing fun, also not good enough to help you anyway. let say +50 SP means you can cast 1 extra Meteor warm.
In general, Cores are dull.
1 Epic strike most of them are single target long cooldown SLA, You can only have one and it really doesn't make any difference, basically trash.
1 Mantle Again nothing special, and no help with harder content of Epic levels.
then you have to insert few points here and there for really boring things like +1 to mmr and so on.

Why am I so negative about the new U51 you ask me?
Because they are trash, I will explain.
So I ran through one quest no ED activated and timed myself, also tried to see have challenged the quest was to me. Then I specced in ED and ran the same quest nothing changed, it did take me
the same amount of time and was as challenging as before, EDs didn't change a thing.

You can say but old once had the same problem? but with old, once they leveled faster, they weren't blocked by level gating, they were providing more power and I only had to suffer once.
Even if I had more DP there was no were to spend them, there were no meaningful places to spend them, +
mmr is not a choice or at least a fun one.

[cru121]

I understand your point. On the other hand, consider a first life character venturing into current epics. With 0 AP.

[Annex]

Well, that is a really depressing way to begin my day.

Edit. 2,500 dumb forum posts and going strong. Woo Whoo!

[Tilomere]

Maybe this helps.

[slarden]

If you are a caster it's shiradi or go home with U51.

Can't tell what class you are playing but you need to go sorc (best choice) or wizard (solid choice) to maximize shiradi. Other casting classes are still better in shiradi, but not as good as sorc/wiz.

[Tilomere]

If you are a caster it's shiradi or go home with U51.

Nah, my PM necro/illusionist DC caster will be shadow dancer primary for sure.

[rabidfox]

If you are a caster it's shiradi or go home with U51.

That's true for this preview. There's plenty of balancing, bug fixes, and reworks to go and sharadi will be toned down.

[MasterDragonan]

I understand your point. On the other hand, consider a first life character venturing into current epics. With 0 AP.

It is true, but before you hit lvl 23 you already going to have one ED maxed out. Never will have to do it again. At least not every TR.
Also, currently, you have a lot of good choices. Not like new EDs, which are supper dull, basically copies of each other.

[Tilomere]

Has anyone even tested it to see if it is the same mechanically as it used to be or if it is what the patch notes say?

[cru121]

It is true, but before you hit lvl 23 you already going to have one ED maxed out. Never will have to do it again. At least not every TR.
Also, currently, you have a lot of good choices. Not like new EDs, which are supper dull, basically copies of each other.

Yeah, at 23 you have throw away all your progression and start another destiny from scratch. You're essentially back to 0. And you have to throw away your progress 11 more times for all destinies. That's like 3 epic lives worth of XP.

Meanwhile with the new system, at 23 you gain 12 more epic AP to spend and unlock second cores and tier 3. Should be a nice bump of power.

[donblas]

I think I prefer 13 DPs to 0DP thanks

[droid327]

At level 20 you get 13 DP, what can you get for them.

Um...T3 in a tree? An Epic Strike? Multiple self-heal options? There's a lot of low hanging fruit in many of the new trees

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

They said let's kill all the fun in the game and they did it.

I get from your posting that everything below level 20 Does. Not. Exist.

[donblas]

Um...T3 in a tree? An Epic Strike? Multiple self-heal options? There's a lot of low hanging fruit in many of the new trees

You can get some good stuff but not T3 if you are level 20 - that's gated to level 23.

[Arctigis]

I think I prefer 13 DPs to 0DP thanks

I prefer fully filled out destinies at L20, the ability to quickly switch between
them and the flexibility of twists, thanks.

[Arctigis]

Um...T3 in a tree?

Are you sure about that?

[donblas]

I prefer fully filled out destinies at L20, the ability to quickly switch between
them and the flexibility of twists, thanks.

As I remember, one can't get that on a "fresh level 20 no TR lifes" as is being discussed in this thread (see thread title). I may be wrong and I suspect you are more knowledgeable than I.

But if I am correct (it is possible I guess), I prefer 13 DPs to 0DPs on such a toon. YMMV.

[EinarMal]

That's true for this preview. There's plenty of balancing, bug fixes, and reworks to go and sharadi will be toned down.

I really hope they increase other options not pre-nerf Shiradi. This is already shaping up to a huge nerf compared to what we have now. With the stat crunch, and destiny gating and changes casters DPS is not in a good spot at all.

[Rockcrusher99]

As soon as I read the notes for U50 & U51, I knocked out the last 12+ ePLs for my main. I'm done.

The new ED system is a good design if EDs were starting over. It's a good design for new toons so they aren't spending 90% of their time in unfriendly ED trees.
Other than that, it appears dreadful...abilities level-gated, no energy burst, dragon-breath only at 28 or 30. Meld, Dire charge, and every powerful ability nerfed so it's only usable near end-game. Epic leveling is going to be much harder. There'll be a few new, shiny ED abilities to offset the pain, but I'm not feeling optimistic.

(IMO) The biggest priorities going forward should be:
1) Permanently fix zoning deaths
2) Permanently fix chat issue
3) Address the lag which appears progressively worse with every new update, ability, expansion, etc.
4) Once lag is fixed, merge the servers.
5) Fix/address TR cache speed and mechanism. It's painfully slow and unwieldy.
6a) Fix/address shared storage. It's gotten ridiculous and has been unmanageable for years and gets worse with every new crafting addition. Find a creative way to keep players from needing 10 bank toons.
7) Make grouping xp bonus permanent to encourage more grouping.
8) Allow a past-life consolidation (a store item if needed) from old, dead, toons that people no longer play to active toons within the same account. Transfer their reaper exp, heroic PLs, epic PLs, and racial PLs, and Iconic PLs. Once transfered, toon is permanently destroyed.

I've been a die-hard since day 1 of this game and have always been its biggest fan, but not feeling optimistic about the future at all.

[mr420247]

Something that works is still better then nothing at all

17 fvs 3 wiz can make a come back at least vs the 3 pally splash