Suggestion for U51

[dogsoldier]

Take the best ideas from the existing plan for U51, keep those.
- Pick any Epic Past life you want, no need for Karma, or running in off destinies
- Add the new Epic Destinies, the pact dmg one sounds interesting for Warlocks

Move the Level Gating Epic Destinies idea out to something like Update 75.

Use all that time you saved in trying to fix all of the fallout from what would have been a massive disaster on continuing the work started with U50.
- Update Eveningstar Commendation items
- Update Eveningstar Challenge items

Realize by Update 52 that you dodged a howitzer round in what would have happened with level gated epic destinies. Quietly delete all references of level gated epic destinies from DDO webpages. Celebrate by giving all of the loyal and returning customers a free quest pack.

Profit!

[Axeyu]

Character progression and choices while leveling, oh no!

[droid327]

Character progression and choices while leveling, oh no!

You're already gated by your epic feats

Epic is not meant to be level banded as much as heroic is, e.g.there's no over level restrictions or under level penalty

I say let's get rid of the back-to-20 model entirely and just have you cash in 8M xp for an EPL and stay at 30. Maybe sell a separate 30->20 lesser heart for people that want the respec

[Axeyu]

You're already gated by your epic feats

Epic is not meant to be level banded as much as heroic is, e.g.there's no over level restrictions or under level penalty

I say let's get rid of the back-to-20 model entirely and just have you cash in 8M xp for an EPL and stay at 30. Maybe sell a separate 30->20 lesser heart for people that want the respec

Epic Commoner levels are not that interesting. In heroics you get feats, class features and APs. I hear often how dull epic leveling is and how this change is bad because it will make the dull leveling slower. But that is putting the cart before the horse. The reason epic leveling is dull compared to heroic is because the levels means so little. Nothing changes and all you do is wait to hit 29 so you can do the exact same thing with higher numbers and higher rewards. No wonder it is dull.

[dogsoldier]

Character progression and choices while leveling, oh no!

How does nuking the cores from orbit, eliminating twists, and locking 80% of the interesting destiny abilities behind level 30 provide meaningful progression and choice? Sure, you can have more than one destiny, but have to spend a bunch of filler points to get the equivalent of two twists, versus 4 twists 20-29 and 5 twists at 30. This is just like the pre-u50 stat jump at level 29, except it is now level 30.

[Valtrick]

Take the best ideas from the existing plan for U51, keep those.
- Pick any Epic Past life you want, no need for Karma, or running in off destinies
- Add the new Epic Destinies, the pact dmg one sounds interesting for Warlocks

Move the Level Gating Epic Destinies idea out to something like Update 75.

Use all that time you saved in trying to fix all of the fallout from what would have been a massive disaster on continuing the work started with U50.
- Update Eveningstar Commendation items
- Update Eveningstar Challenge items

Realize by Update 52 that you dodged a howitzer round in what would have happened with level gated epic destinies. Quietly delete all references of level gated epic destinies from DDO webpages. Celebrate by giving all of the loyal and returning customers a free quest pack.

Profit!

This is clearly a smart man. (If I understand him correctly.)

[donblas]

Move the Level Gating Epic Destinies idea out to something like Update 75.

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Level gating means that levels in epics are more meaningful. I can't see any downside to it.

[AustrianDeathMachine]

Level gating means that levels in epics are more meaningful. I can't see any downside to it.

Level gating means every trip from level 20-30 is going to feel like leveling in an off destiny. Except, you won't have twists of fate to help offset the loss.

[songswrath]

i think it will be fine if they drop the mantels and builder spender nonsense. they is by far the dumbest idea anyone could of came up with.

[songswrath]

Level gating means every trip from level 20-30 is going to feel like leveling in an off destiny. Except, you won't have twists of fate to help offset the loss.

just means people will be running a lot more slayers and being power lvl'ed by capped toons.

[AustrianDeathMachine]

just means people will be running a lot more slayers and being power lvl'ed by capped toons.

Nah, they'll nerf slayers before too long.

[songswrath]

Nah, they'll nerf slayers before too long.

nah don't see it it makes money exp pots and slayer pots. this nerf would
hurt their bottom end $$$$

[donblas]

Level gating means every trip from level 20-30 is going to feel like leveling in an off destiny. Except, you won't have twists of fate to help offset the loss.

Why is levelling three trees that i want to be in like levelling an off destiny that I absolutely hate?

[AustrianDeathMachine]

[QUOTE=donblas;6463002]Why is levelling three trees that i want to be in like levelling an off destiny that I absolutely hate?[/QUOT

Which 3 trees do you want to use?

[donblas]

[QUOTE=AustrianDeathMachine;6463012]

Why is levelling three trees that i want to be in like levelling an off destiny that I absolutely hate?[/QUOT

Which 3 trees do you want to use?

U51 isn't out yet. I'm sure I'll be able to find some when it is..

People already under the current system seems to be able to find stuff in several destiny trees (sometimes even more than three!) to twist in, so I'm sure I'll be able to find some useful stuff. maybe you don't use twists?

[droid327]

Why is levelling three trees that i want to be in like levelling an off destiny that I absolutely hate?

Because in both cases you're forced to level without being able to use the build-defining destiny abilities you want to. Right now, because you're in an off destiny....after u51, because they're gated till L28 or whatever

Only right now you only occasionally have to grind off destinies, there are ways to gain off sphere karma without grinding quests too, and you can always swap back if you really need to be full strength for something. U51, you'll be suppressed every single life and you can't do anything about it until you're back at cap

[Epicsoul]

Level gating means every trip from level 20-30 is going to feel like leveling in an off destiny. Except, you won't have twists of fate to help offset the loss.

Level gating EDs should have been done at the beginning. It should work similar to the heroic trees.

[donblas]

Level gating EDs should have been done at the beginning. It should work similar to the heroic trees.

Agree absolutely. Why make one system when you can waste time designing two that do similar things seems to have been the philosophy.

[MasterDragonan]

Take the best ideas from the existing plan for U51, keep those.
- Pick any Epic Past life you want, no need for Karma, or running in off destinies
- Add the new Epic Destinies, the pact dmg one sounds interesting for Warlocks

Move the Level Gating Epic Destinies idea out to something like Update 75.

Use all that time you saved in trying to fix all of the fallout from what would have been a massive disaster on continuing the work started with U50.
- Update Eveningstar Commendation items
- Update Eveningstar Challenge items

Realize by Update 52 that you dodged a howitzer round in what would have happened with level gated epic destinies. Quietly delete all references of level gated epic destinies from DDO webpages. Celebrate by giving all of the loyal and returning customers a free quest pack.

Profit!

This is the best thing I have heard for long time here. They really need to listen to you.
They are wasting so much time on such ridiculous things.
When they could have invested all that time in better things.