U50 Comprehensive Guide to Bow DPS

[achaius]

Carpone,

Did you change the “best” neck slot to celestial insignia from string of ears? Or did I misread it originally when acquiring my gear pre-TR?

[Magdragons]

Small typo on your 13/6/1 solo build, you get opportunist at lvl17 instead of 18, since you only have 1 level of barb instead of 2 levels of warlock.

[Carpone]

Did you change the “best” neck slot to celestial insignia from string of ears? Or did I misread it originally when acquiring my gear pre-TR?

Great memory. I replaced String of Ears with the Celestial Insignia in the "Best" gear set. After testing the gearset in R10s, the lack of heal amp made for upset healers and dead toons. The Listen DC and saves lost from the String of Ears aren't a big deal. If the forthcoming changes with Banish the Quarry prove otherwise, then I'll rejigger the AP in HW to take 3 ranks of Listen.

Small typo on your 13/6/1 solo build, you get opportunist at lvl17 instead of 18, since you only have 1 level of barb instead of 2 levels of warlock.

Fixed! Thank you.

[Komradkillingmachine]

They do not stack. The optimal gear set uses Tinkerer's Gloves though.

Oh, you're right. I just noticed U50 gear changes in the guide.

Also, holy **** Lois, they nerfed both Tinkerer's set and Mantle of Suulo's set 3d6 SA. That's disgusting.

[Magdragons]

Whats a good alternative to Wildwood Wrists that not raid gear? Having trouble finding a group for that raid.

[Ewynn]

+1

Best write up of a build I've seen in years. Thank you for you research on this, particularly love the breakdown of % damage increases by damage type. Fantastic analysis, and timely responses. Glad you're on Khyber :-)

[Carpone]

Whats a good alternative to Wildwood Wrists that not raid gear?

There isn't one. The doubleshot is on the Wallwatch Circlet, but there are no good replacement items for Insightful and Quality Deception. Perhaps there will be an alternative when Legendary Sands loot is released.

[achaius]

Carpone,

I know you tested a bunch of other builds as listed on your guide. Of all of them, how far down the list did the 20 ranger come out in overall dps compared to the official u50 build you have here. Were they listed in descending dps order already?

[Kenzan]

Awesome build, hats off to you Carpone and your team as well.
Really appreciate you making it available to everyone.

[Carpone]

how far down the list did the 20 ranger come out in overall dps

Far down the list. If I wasn't playing 12 Rogue/6 Ranger/2 Warlock, I'd be 13 Rogue/6 Ranger/1 Monk with Greater Sun Stance.

[achaius]

Thanks Carpone,

I appreciate you taking the time to explain.

[Vorachtin]

Edit - forget it, not posting here on a forum over moderated to death.

[FengXian]

Far down the list. If I wasn't playing 12 Rogue/6 Ranger/2 Warlock, I'd be 13 Rogue/6 Ranger/1 Monk with Greater Sun Stance.

Even considering that FE damage is 2x (3x vs reapers) against marked targets and you can go both wider and taller in that as Ranger 20?

I've read the damage breakdown etc, I know FE is 0.37 (0.74), but since each time you acquire it you get a +2 (up to +6 each), seems like a large boost. At the same time you'd cover more and more relevant mobs as FE. I don't expect ranger 20 to come out on top or anything, maybe just a bump.

In fact, while you've already done a huge amount of work, I'd love to see revealed how good the alternative builds you've considered ended up being. Where do they stand compared to each other etc, granted the 12+ rogue split is the highest.

[Carpone]

If your having trouble with aggro, is it worth dropping the 2 points for only 2 RP in soul eater for 2 points in Subtle Spell casting (same tree and tier) for 30% more range threat reduction?

Brilliant. I had overlooked it due to the name, but you're right that it affects attacks too. I've updated the guide with a note about this swap.

Even considering that FE damage is 2x (3x vs reapers) against marked targets and you can go both wider and taller in that as Ranger 20?

You're glossing over that 2 Warlock is 10% more damage for you and the entire group/raid. You'd need 27 FE dmg to make up the difference just for your personal DPS which isn't possible, and that doesn't cover the lost sneak attack dice.

I'd love to see revealed how good the alternative builds you've considered ended up being. Where do they stand compared to each other etc, granted the 12+ rogue split is the highest.

I have no interest in posting that. Enough minor stuff has changed that I would have to update all of the calculations for public consumption, and they are tedious to do.

[Riffolk]

I wanted to try to take a crack at a complete non-raid gearset for those working their way into raiding:
(Happy to take input/feedback)

Goggles: Sight of the Sleepwalker
Helm: Legendary Wallwatch Circlet
Neck: Legendary Family Recruit Sigil
Trinket: Slave Lords crafted: CON / Positive Spell Power / Spot / Quality DEX
Cloak: Charune, Grand Burden of Fury
Belt: Legendary Belt of Sure Strikes
Ring1: Legendary Band of Insightful Commands
Gloves: Legendary Wildwood Gauntlets
Boots: Legendary Deepsnow Boots
Ring2: Legendary Ring of Prowess
Wrists: Legendary Vinelash Bracers
Armor: Legendary Wildwood Vest

Quiver: Epic Purifying Quiver
Mainhand: Legendary Inferno Sniper
(Least confident in this pick, not sure how necessary Ranged Alacrity is)

Covers Enhancement, Insightful, + Quality Accuracy/Seeker/Deadly/Deception

Brief Edit:
This setup is missing insightful deception
The search for a more complete non-raid setup continues!

Looking at incorporating the Legendary Sailcloth Cloak...

[Kiera0104]

Only have a few questions

1. With the dynamistic quiver I would assume that the RP doesn't stack with the ring of prowess since they are both enhancement, did you look at using the epic quiver of alacrity that has ins SA, doubleshot in addition to stealth strike?

2. With taint the aura did you test this with shattered device 4 piece set for 2x the debuff?

3. Spines of the Manticore/The Wreath of Flame: +6 Ranged Power (Rare: +4 Ranged Power) was there a reason that you didn't use this on the minor artifact, as it looks like you were just adding RP? Maybe thread cost? Although I wouldn't think you would be short. I reread your build and I see the deception for the SA gives the most dmg boost, that being said would it be worth getting the 5 piece shadowstrike set for +2 SA dice and dropping wildhunter atk/dmg filigree?

I appreciate you sharing the build with the community and I plan on doing this for my next build as it look like fun

[Carpone]

1. With the dynamistic quiver I would assume that the RP doesn't stack with the ring of prowess since they are both enhancement, did you look at using the epic quiver of alacrity that has ins SA, doubleshot in addition to stealth strike?

If you don't have access to the Dark Diversion augment which provided 5% more, then by all means use the Epic Quiver of Alacrity.

2. With taint the aura did you test this with shattered device 4 piece set for 2x the debuff?

Shattered Device 4pc is part of the gear setup already. They stack.

3. Spines of the Manticore/The Wreath of Flame: +6 Ranged Power (Rare: +4 Ranged Power) was there a reason that you didn't use this on the minor artifact, as it looks like you were just adding RP? [...] would it be worth getting the 5 piece shadowstrike set for +2 SA dice and dropping wildhunter atk/dmg filigree?

I didn't neglect those options in my analysis. I did the math, and the filigree options listed in the guide provide more damage than what you've recommended.

I calculated the Shattered Device uptime to be 50% if you're the only one in the group/raid running it. With the U50 stat squish to doublestrike, every melee is looking to incorporate at least 3pc SD into their setup. So I expect to see alot more 4pc SD slotted than pre-U50.

[achaius]

Is this correct?

15m base
15m (from dws core x3)
10m (elf core x 5)
——-
40m total SA range

[Yamani]

If you don't have access to the Dark Diversion augment which provided 5% more, then by all means use the Epic Quiver of Alacrity.

Stealth Strike is Insightful, dark diversion is enhancement so they stack.

[achaius]

Are you using anything as a source of FOM?