Let's make HCL 5 - Hardcore

[fatherpirate]

I would love to see the next HCL

Call it the Nightmare Revels.

Simple rules

All the standard HCL stuff
one seriously challenging modification.

all public areas 'including sections of the city'
are gated by your level

so there will be a
lvl 1-5, 6-10, 11-15, 16-20, 21-25, 26+ versions of each instance
during the day ... nothing special
at twilight the NPCs run for cover and every public area
spawns undead based on the max level of that instance just
like in the night revels but in ALL public areas.

only safe area in at the inns

travel the city or outdoor areas by day, everything normal
at night? fighting hordes of undead ... that keep spawning, and spawning and spawning.

Reward for killing all the dead? You get to live.

HCL 5 Nightmare Revels

one last fun thing, if you die ... an undead your current character level spawns
and attacks your party. sharing is caring.

[Memnir]

No to level-gates, neutral on the rest.

[fatherpirate]

No to level-gates, neutral on the rest.

necessary evil

if you didn't separate the levels then high level folks could just grief spawn in town
leaving anyone not high level to be one shot-ed on arrival.

but I hear ya

the regular Halloween event does the same thing, for the same reason

[boredGamer]

Remove hirelings and house P buffs.

Then do whatever else, hordes of undead sounds great.

[SockyMcSockerton]

I would love to see the next HCL

Call it the Nightmare Revels.

Simple rules

All the standard HCL stuff
one seriously challenging modification.

all public areas 'including sections of the city'
are gated by your level

so there will be a
lvl 1-5, 6-10, 11-15, 16-20, 21-25, 26+ versions of each instance
during the day ... nothing special
at twilight the NPCs run for cover and every public area
spawns undead based on the max level of that instance just
like in the night revels but in ALL public areas.

only safe area in at the inns

travel the city or outdoor areas by day, everything normal
at night? fighting hordes of undead ... that keep spawning, and spawning and spawning.

Reward for killing all the dead? You get to live.

HCL 5 Nightmare Revels

one last fun thing, if you die ... an undead your current character level spawns
and attacks your party. sharing is caring.

This is a neat idea, but there is a TON of combat abilities that don't work in public areas, so this will be a problem.

[RavenStormclaw]

This is a neat idea, but there is a TON of combat abilities that don't work in public areas, so this will be a problem.

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Very true but that can be over ruled. During the great Devil invasion event all spells and combat abilities were working in the very public market place. I know I was there. Such an unique and great event. So his suggestion is possible and would be interesting. I think harbor should be excluded and Korthos. Or at least Korthos.

[Seph1roth5]

No one's forcing you to use house P buffs or hirelings lol.

[Gniewomir]

Just saying, but if u wanna kill servers thats a great way to do it. There's a reason why all events are now challanges instead like old mabar/night revels (public delera with mobs). There's a reason why Cordo gave up with spawning mobs in public events during streams. I doubt anyone will play HC where you can't even move literally all the time. Now imagine same thing happening not only in one public, but in like 20 of those. Would have same impact on ability to play like just turning off servers.

[zooble]

The best way to view hardcore is to not call it hardcore, but permadeath.

Then all the cheesy/overpowered/broken stuff is whatever.

[fatherpirate]

The best way to view hardcore is to not call it hardcore, but permadeath.

Then all the cheesy/overpowered/broken stuff is whatever.

lol ... so true

[boredGamer]

No one's forcing you to use house P buffs or hirelings lol.

No one's forcing you to not just play hardcore rules on the normal servers. But oh, it turns out it's so much better when there are rules that make us play the game together, and with challenge.

P buffs and hirelings are such a huge crutch, as is obvious from your reaction. If I said play without healer's kits, pretty sure you wouldn't have responded.

[Oxarhamar]

Just saying, but if u wanna kill servers thats a great way to do it. There's a reason why all events are now challanges instead like old mabar/night revels (public delera with mobs). There's a reason why Cordo gave up with spawning mobs in public events during streams. I doubt anyone will play HC where you can't even move literally all the time. Now imagine same thing happening not only in one public, but in like 20 of those. Would have same impact on ability to play like just turning off servers.

This

[Oxarhamar]

No one's forcing you to not just play hardcore rules on the normal servers. But oh, it turns out it's so much better when there are rules that make us play the game together, and with challenge.

P buffs and hirelings are such a huge crutch, as is obvious from your reaction. If I said play without healer's kits, pretty sure you wouldn't have responded.

Meh I went thru HC without using P buffs & hirelings aren’t really dependable enough to count on for much more than buffs if you count on them for heals that’s a gamble did not use those either it was easy enough to find a party

Best thing about HCL was it demonstrates how well it would work out to have cross server groups or mega server

[boredGamer]

Meh I went thru HC without using P buffs & hirelings aren’t really dependable enough to count on for much more than buffs if you count on them for heals that’s a gamble did not use those either it was easy enough to find a party

Best thing about HCL was it demonstrates how well it would work out to have cross server groups or mega server

Yup, me too, so let's just get rid of them. So every 3 quests half the party isn't running off to go get buffs again. They can't be both super useful and matter if we get rid of them.

[Oxarhamar]

Yup, me too, so let's just get rid of them. So every 3 quests half the party isn't running off to go get buffs again. They can't be both super useful and matter if we get rid of them.

Yeah I don’t see that as an issue if players want to use them and others don’t then no change fits that

[boredGamer]

Yeah I don’t see that as an issue if players want to use them and others don’t then no change fits that

I don't feel like you even grasp the point of HCL. Again, you could just play Hardcore on the regular server, it wouldn't be the same, would it ? Playing by the same rules is what brings people together. Again, if it's so trivial, it's not a big deal if it's gone. Again, like healer's kits. Do you have a problem with me advocating for healers kits to be gone or think people should just use them or not ?

Next hardcore - no healers kits OR repair kits!

[fatherpirate]

If you really want a challenge

Allow only 3 ways into a dungeon

Solo - if it is one of those 3 like that
Elite - This is the new default
Reaper 10 might want to bring friends.

That is it, now I would add one twist.
If you die, your hirelings instantly die but you
don't immediately go to the dead lands.

Your FROZEN there for 2 seconds per point of CON you have.
Your hirelings are totally gone (they can't help you)
BUT - a player in your party with raise dead or Rez
can save you if they are quick enough. That 2 sec
per CON point does not wait for combat to end.

So if you have a CON of 10, a party healer has 20 seconds to raise you.
If your CON got nuked when you died, could be a lot less.

KEY POINTS
Only a live player in your party can do it. Or their hireling, not yours.
Cakes are useless, your frozen
Hirelings are useless (yours) they auto die
(Hireling of a different players might help, lucky you)

put some D&D back into DDO HCL.

[Oxarhamar]

I don't feel like you even grasp the point of HCL. Again, you could just play Hardcore on the regular server, it wouldn't be the same, would it ? Playing by the same rules is what brings people together. Again, if it's so trivial, it's not a big deal if it's gone. Again, like healer's kits. Do you have a problem with me advocating for healers kits to be gone or think people should just use them or not ?

Next hardcore - no healers kits OR repair kits!

I don’t use the buffs doesn’t bother me if others do same with healers kits

I don’t think that any player should decide what others use for HCL

People been playing hardcore on the regular server for how long already

[boredGamer]

I don’t use the buffs doesn’t bother me if others do same with healers kits

I don’t think that any player should decide what others use for HCL

People been playing hardcore on the regular server for how long already

No player is, how would that even work? But the devs are - are you against the devs making the rules for HCL as well ?

These are ideas, we are advocating for them, it is a forum.

[Saekee]

Remove hirelings and house P buffs.

Then do whatever else, hordes of undead sounds great.

The best way to view hardcore is to not call it hardcore, but permadeath.

Then all the cheesy/overpowered/broken stuff is whatever.

/signed

I want to see melee only!