Level 20

[ThomasHunter]

With the XP curve that changed several years ago, the level 20 and 21 grind seems especially long. With so much Legendary quests now available (including so many sagas!), would SSG consider a slight change in the Epic XP curve to back load it a bit more? Take half the XP from levels 20 and 21 and tack them to levels 28 and 29? Maybe just 29?

Thank you,
Taleisin

[droid327]

Huh? I would say the exact opposite...

L20-21 go extraordinarily fast. You can bypass them entirely with banked sagas. Even without that, you can play up to LH content as a L20 with just some minimal front loading of EDs and filigrees. Orchard slayers are also very accessible since that's Normal scaled difficulty. It should not be a slog at all to get to 22

[Enderoc]

Heroic levels are way worse trust me

[ThomasHunter]

Huh? I would say the exact opposite...

L20-21 go extraordinarily fast. You can bypass them entirely with banked sagas. Even without that, you can play up to LH content as a L20 with just some minimal front loading of EDs and filigrees. Orchard slayers are also very accessible since that's Normal scaled difficulty. It should not be a slog at all to get to 22

This is assuming a TR. when you’re first leveling, it seems to take forever to get to your first epic feat at 21! That feat tends to be pretty sweet! I think if you’re ETRing and banking sagas, you aren’t too concerned either way?

Maybe it makes the most sense to play around with this at the cap increase?

[Chacka_DDO]

I agree that you should need much less XP to get level 21 and getting level 21 only with heroic level 17-20 quests should be a real option...
But at the same time, you should have access to your EDs in LVL 21 because that's obviously the first epic character level (epic level 1).

[droid327]

This is assuming a TR. when you’re first leveling, it seems to take forever to get to your first epic feat at 21! That feat tends to be pretty sweet! I think if you’re ETRing and banking sagas, you aren’t too concerned either way?

Maybe it makes the most sense to play around with this at the cap increase?

I don't think the entire system should be redesigned mainly to accommodate the small percent of players who are first life first time epic, nor should they expect to have as easy a time as someone with more investment.

Plus with the new ed system, even first timers will have a big chunk of destiny points to start out, so that's going to front load it more too

[kpak01]

With the XP curve that changed several years ago, the level 20 and 21 grind seems especially long. With so much Legendary quests now available (including so many sagas!), would SSG consider a slight change in the Epic XP curve to back load it a bit more? Take half the XP from levels 20 and 21 and tack them to levels 28 and 29? Maybe just 29?

This seems backwards. There are tons of low-Epic quests, and hardly any at the higher Epic levels:

Level 21 27
Level 22 15
Level 23 16
Level 24 16
Level 25 7
Level 26 9
Level 27 11
Level 28 3
Level 29 4

[Weemadarthur]

This seems backwards. There are tons of low-Epic quests, and hardly any at the higher Epic levels:

Level 21 27
Level 22 15
Level 23 16
Level 24 16
Level 25 7
Level 26 9
Level 27 11
Level 28 3
Level 29 4

I notice you stopped before the 100+ legendary quests at 30+. Add those to the total and no it doesn't seem too backwards.

Just to clarify :-

Level 30 14
Level 31 30
Level 32 62

that's another 106 quests.

[kpak01]

I notice you stopped before the 100+ legendary quests at 30+.

Very observant of you to notice that I listed Epic quests in a thread about Epic leveling, but did not include Legendary and Heroic quests. Bravo!

[Fauxknight]

Very observant of you to notice that I listed Epic quests in a thread about Epic leveling, but did not include Legendary and Heroic quests. Bravo!

Personally we play legendary quests generally before epic quests. A 32(33) on hard is easier than a 21(23) on reaper, and the saga bonuses for running legendaries early are insane. Leveling form 20 to 21 or 22 is one of the fastest leveling periods of a character, assuming it is a multi-life character with destinies ready to go. To me the slow levels are 18-20 and 27-29, basically those periods where not much has changed for awhile right before a huge power jump.

[Weemadarthur]

Very observant of you to notice that I listed Epic quests in a thread about Epic leveling, but did not include Legendary and Heroic quests. Bravo!

Very observant of you to not read the op where he specifically states that due to the huge amount of legendary quests we could use more low level epic ones. Bravo!

Snide comments aside are you seriously trying to say you don't run any legendary content? The quests are there and trying to say that there isn't enough content for high epics is at best a little disingenuous. Now if you were to say we had way too much Legendary content and some of that should have been pushed down a level or 2 then you would have a point. Stating that there is more to do at low epics than high is just not true though.

[Cantor]

With the XP curve that changed several years ago, the level 20 and 21 grind seems especially long. With so much Legendary quests now available (including so many sagas!), would SSG consider a slight change in the Epic XP curve to back load it a bit more? Take half the XP from levels 20 and 21 and tack them to levels 28 and 29? Maybe just 29?

Thank you,
Taleisin

I completely agree... for now. But when the cap increase comes the current balance will probably be about right.

I hate how long it takes to get through low epics, but doing hard legendaries is not only going to be harder after ed changes, but less attractive with levels past 30.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

When my very first level 20 character arrived in Eveningstar - which appeared to me as THE hub for level 20 characters ( only much later I realized that I could have had level 20+ quests in Eberron as well ) , my character felt uneasily weak. I simply just couldn't finish the very first level 20 quest there : Impossible Demands. My character felt so ... increadibly weak that I almost gave up.
And until now I still haven't found any appropriate quest in Eveningstar for first lifer level 20 characters in which they do not feel weak. I'm speaking of melee, by the way.

Much later I noticed that this was partly because my character - my very first one who went up to level 20 - just did not have good enough gear. The gear was a mixture between level 15, level 16, level 18 (Artificers) gear, and I had NO level 20 gear at all.

This meant that I had to do all level 20 quests on casual in order to farm gear.
And the fact that I don't do raids isn't helping, either.

I was lucky, though, that I could do several story runs with Elite difficulty as guild runs. THERE I got my gear to finally survive some quests.

That gear grind is long and unpleasant - at least, until one realises that Eberron also has level 18-19 quests to farm good gear.


I think that most of you are playing too long, know the game too well and have too good gear to be able to imagine how hard it is for a first-lifer character at level 20 with no other characters of the same player having ever been there before.

[kpak01]

..are you seriously trying to say you don't run any legendary content?

I don't recall saying that at all. I run tons of Legendary content, mostly when I'm Legendary level. In fact, I usually run *ALL* of the Legendary content.

Stating that there is more to do at low epics than high is just not true though.

It is simple mathematical fact that there are far more low-Epic quests than high-Epic quests. Nattering on about how there's also Legendary quests doesn't make the many, many low-Epic quests somehow vanish. If you really hate those specific quests, go run Slayers.

Personally, I'm very happy at the XP change the OP is trying to un-do. I'm glad I no longer quickly out-level almost all the low-Epic content while having so few high-Epic quests. Reversing the XP change would be very detrimental to at least some players.