U50 Preview 1: Endgame Itemization Adjustments

[cru121]

One of my favorite mini-games inside of ddo is gear tetris. I'm afraid the "Itemization Adjustments" will have a lasting drag on the game b/c of the mountain of data which will be wrong in ddowiki.

That's why we need your help in the wiki!

[HuneyMunster]

We try to avoid committing to anything numbers-wise before we finish our due diligence, hence our reluctance to go into detail on that front. It would be a bad idea for one of us to make a promise we can't deliver on.



When we say "Old Epics" we mean content that was introduced and statted before Epic split into Epic Hard, Epic Elite, etc. These monsters are artificially propped up at those difficulties using a set of scaling formulas that modifies their base stats. Newer content simply has a new monster variant per difficulty, so we can actually modify difficulty on a per-monster basis. With U51, we want to remove a lot of the monster power in those low epic dungeons to remove a chunk of the barrier to entry into Epics, which on our end means we want to make hard/elite versions of those monsters and pull them off of our global scaling system.



This is something we address directly in this post.

A number of years back caster items had either 0.25 or 0.5 critical multiplier depending on item level. Recently Spellcasting Implement changed from (3 * enhancement bonus = implement bonus) to (item level = implement bonus). Something similar could be done for critical multiplier with (item level = x critical multiplier). Casters would crit less often in the new system, but will crit for higher damaged.

[thomascoolone64]

So the money I spent on raid timers for Suulo Tail, and Dryad axes was a waste. I guess the chest rerolls for new gear sets for each expansion was a waste of money also. I get why this is being done, but it does go to erode consumer confidence. Do set bonuses get nerfed also? How about the new artifact augments?

Unless I missed something in the release notes about a complete overhaul of all items not just legendary, does that make DoJ/MoD gear best in slot now? Neither of those are lvl 31, or considered legendary. With monster warding removed will TF mortal fear be a thing again?

Well Said, Sir,

/Signed

[thomascoolone64]

Are there any plans to open up Lamania for longer than 48 hours at a time?

Lmao Yes...

[thomascoolone64]

On the one hand, I find the WPM Auxiliaries slightly too tough, but on the other I LIKE that I haven't completed them on R1 plus even now. They're very tough, but not impossible, I just haven't solved them. That said, the griffin cleave is really annoying.

Get Good then.

[thomascoolone64]

Typical SSG and past incarnations. Rather than fix the problem, you come up with a work around. This has never been a good idea in the past and after 15 years I think you'd have learnt.

Still, I've been playing regularly for 15 years and I haven't learnt.

Exactly

[Qlumsee]

With the new endgame loot changes I have realized that some Cannith Crafted (CC) items will be superior to named loot, again. This is mainly because level 34 crafted items are usable by level 30 characters. It has been mentioned that CC is going to be overhauled at some point, but I am assuming that the level 30(34) items will remain as is for the foreseeable future.

1. When the CC overhaul occurs, will our 30(34) items remain usable or will they become level 34 items and only usable whenever that level kicks in? This would impact the problem of bank space.

2. If level cap initially rises to level 32, will level 30(34) CC items become 32(34)? This looks like a lot of work and I am curious as to if you have considered it.

The reason I ask these questions is because of my Collectables, which are going to dry up if I'm going to be CCing on a large scale. I would like to point out, as an example, Fragrant Drowshoods are not "Uncommon" but "Depressingly Rare".

[Arctigis]

Please see Cordo's post

With the new endgame loot changes I have realized that some Cannith Crafted (CC) items will be superior to named loot, again. This is mainly because level 34 crafted items are usable by level 30 characters. It has been mentioned that CC is going to be overhauled at some point, but I am assuming that the level 30(34) items will remain as is for the foreseeable future.

1. When the CC overhaul occurs, will our 30(34) items remain usable or will they become level 34 items and only usable whenever that level kicks in? This would impact the problem of bank space.

2. If level cap initially rises to level 32, will level 30(34) CC items become 32(34)? This looks like a lot of work and I am curious as to if you have considered it.

The reason I ask these questions is because of my Collectables, which are going to dry up if I'm going to be CCing on a large scale. I would like to point out, as an example, Fragrant Drowshoods are not "Uncommon" but "Depressingly Rare".

CC level 34 is gone I believe.

[xBunny]

One of my favorite mini-games inside of ddo is gear tetris. I'm afraid the "Itemization Adjustments" will have a lasting drag on the game b/c of the mountain of data which will be wrong in ddowiki.
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Not a big fan of 50-51 changes. But, making all items having equal stats on higher epics looks to make itemization easer, no? Sub-par 17 stat from Legendary Slave Lord crafting compering to 19-21 from RL, Sharn, Fey now will be the same. Insightful and Quality bonuses - now also will be +6 and +3 from all items, so no need to push hard on +10 vs +9 and +5 vs +4. Some old packs gear will have more use now too.

[Michele]

Not a big fan of 50-51 changes. But, making all items having equal stats on higher epics looks to make itemization easer, no? Sub-par 17 stat from Legendary Slave Lord crafting compering to 19-21 from RL, Sharn, Fey now will be the same. Insightful and Quality bonuses - now also will be +6 and +3 from all items, so no need to push hard on +10 vs +9 and +5 vs +4. Some old packs gear will have more use now too.

Do you know how much quality attribute/skill/sheltering will be on slave crafted items?
those are ML 28, so I expect cannith crafted ML 30 items having better values than slave crafted items, making slave crafted items really useless.

For example, if I can have quality wisdom +3 on slave crafted item then I'll consider using it, otherwise if it's only quality wisdom +2 then I'll keep using "legendary sunken slippers" boots that will give me +3 quality wisdom.

[Arctigis]

... But, making all items having equal stats on higher epics looks to make itemization easer, no?

Easier maybe but for me the most boringest thing on this whole planet of earth.

Looking forward to seeing what PTW they put in future xpacs so that players will
buy them. Fool me once etc.

[elvesunited]

Do you know how much quality attribute/skill/sheltering will be on slave crafted items?
those are ML 28, so I expect cannith crafted ML 30 items having better values than slave crafted items, making slave crafted items really useless.

For example, if I can have quality wisdom +3 on slave crafted item then I'll consider using it, otherwise if it's only quality wisdom +2 then I'll keep using "legendary sunken slippers" boots that will give me +3 quality wisdom.

I'm not quite sure how that would be different than today. My favored soul uses "legendary sunken slippers" for the +5 quality wisdom instead of the +4 Quality Wisdom that slaver's provides. As for cannith crafted items, they don't even have quality as an option. Slaver's gear has always been outperformed by gear from Sharn, Feywild or Lost gatekeepers. I don't see that changing.

But my favored soul does use a piece of slaver's gear at cap. When all my gear was assembled I had an open item slot. ( belt ) Cannith crafting offers nothing for casters in belts. But slaver's gear ignores that. So I was able to create a wizardry/fire lore/heal skill/quality PRR/green slot belt and fill in some gaps. And that's the power of slave lord equipment as it ignores the power/item restrictions of cannith crafting and allows you to craft bonuses you won't normally find on that item type.

[xBunny]

Do you know how much quality attribute/skill/sheltering will be on slave crafted items?
those are ML 28, so I expect cannith crafted ML 30 items having better values than slave crafted items, making slave crafted items really useless.

For example, if I can have quality wisdom +3 on slave crafted item then I'll consider using it, otherwise if it's only quality wisdom +2 then I'll keep using "legendary sunken slippers" boots that will give me +3 quality wisdom.

It was +3 quality bonus on Lammania both lvl 28 and 29 gear.

[xBunny]

I'm not quite sure how that would be different than today. My favored soul uses "legendary sunken slippers" for the +5 quality wisdom instead of the +4 Quality Wisdom that slaver's provides. As for cannith crafted items, they don't even have quality as an option. Slaver's gear has always been outperformed by gear from Sharn, Feywild or Lost gatekeepers. I don't see that changing.

AFAIK, it wont be outperformed by gear from Sharn, Feywild or Lost gatekeepers after u50. At least in stat values.

[Kmnh]

Equalizing the numbers is a good idea, squishing stats is not. Making past lives more powerful when compared to gear is the wrongest direction.

[Xezom]

That's why we need your help in the wiki!

Hear! Hear! I both look forward to and dread these item and tree revamps for this reason. Do your part and help out keeping the wiki as accurate as possible, especially after something as big as these adjustments in the next few patches.

[Arctigis]

AFAIK, it wont be outperformed by gear from Sharn, Feywild or Lost gatekeepers after u50. At least in stat values.

The very first post in this thread, from SSG, says that it will.

[elvesunited]

The very first post in this thread, from SSG, says that it will.

Well they're now making Quality wisdom go from +1 to +3
this isn't like Enhancement bonus to spell points where each level can have a different value
You can get +1 Quality Wisdom from level 15 items.
+2 quality wisdom from a level 21 item.
If slavers is +3 that suggests the cutoff point is level 28 or lower.

That brings up an interesting thought though.
there are items that have higher than +3 quality wisdom that don't come from Sharn, Ravenloft or Feywild.

For the

Legendary Chieftain's Ring ( Graveyard Shift level 28 ) and Legendary Earthen Mantle. ( Search and Rescue level 28 ) Are they still +4 Quality Wisdom?
Or did they get knocked down as well?

or how about the Epic Halyconia ( Archon's Trial level 28 ) with +2 Quality wisdom. Did it get knocked up?

[Michele]

It was +3 quality bonus on Lammania both lvl 28 and 29 gear.

thank you very much for checking

[nobodynobody1426]

Equalizing the numbers is a good idea, squishing stats is not. Making past lives more powerful when compared to gear is the wrongest direction.

Be careful saying this, Corrupt A Wish will have them removing or nerfing past lives. The last year or so has SSG in a Nerf or Nothing mood.