Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
I agree mass frog is a no-brainer on a caster, but not for the reason you say. Undead and Constructs have sufficiently low saves that with just universal dc and no investment in wisdom you can kill a large % of these enemy types with this spell (excluding golems and other things with spell resistance).

I would say it is taken by most casters because having a useful ability against just undead and constructs beats all the alternative choices which are absolute weak-sauce and/or do not work properly. Aside form using it against undead or constructs - I never use it for the natural 1 chance and given the spell point cost that would be a poor usage of the spell. There are enough tools that work reliably to use a caster is never going to waste spell points on something that only works if the enemy rolls a 1.

There has been alot of emphasis on knocking casters down a peg (or multiple pegs) in recent years. I hope there is some attempt to address the major problem casters have that prevent them from filling dps spots in raids - single target damage.
Completely agree on this.

And seriously Steel? We should be casting spells 10 times or more until we fish out the Nat-1 save? When these mobs spawn in packs, whether they be scarecrows or beetles or flameskulls?