Barb Winter 4 pcs + Family sets gearing?

[mikarddo]

I am trying to figure out if its possible to make a barb (thf, dps) gear setup for cap play that uses the Family set and a 4 piece Winter set without sacrificing too much dps. Sofar without much success.

So, I am hoping someone might have done so already and would be kind enough to post the setup. I figure it would be interesting to compare that to a setup without the Winter bonus but with more dps.

[WarDestroyer]

Enforcer's coat
Belt of direbear
Deepsnow boots
Cold iron bracers
Cloak of winter
Hammerfist
Crown of butterflies
Collective sight con/ins str
Family blessing
Radiant ring
Ruby ring (str)
Bloodrage Chrism
Magmatic Cleaver

[mikarddo]

Enforcer's coat
Belt of direbear
Deepsnow boots
Cold iron bracers
Cloak of winter
Hammerfist
Crown of butterflies
Collective sight con/ins str
Family blessing
Radiant ring
Ruby ring (str)
Bloodrage Chrism
Magmatic Cleaver

Thanks.

[Arkat]

Enforcer's coat
Belt of direbear
Deepsnow boots
Cold iron bracers
Cloak of winter
Hammerfist
Crown of butterflies
Collective sight con/ins str
Family blessing
Radiant ring
Ruby ring (str)
Bloodrage Chrism
Magmatic Cleaver

No Quality STR?

[AlcoArgo]

I am trying to figure out if its possible to make a barb (thf, dps) gear setup for cap play that uses the Family set and a 4 piece Winter set without sacrificing too much dps. Sofar without much success.

So, I am hoping someone might have done so already and would be kind enough to post the setup. I figure it would be interesting to compare that to a setup without the Winter bonus but with more dps.

Do you absolutely have to have 4 pc Winter Set? I use this setup and it is the best I have found:

Crown of Butterflies
Family Recruit Sigil
Bloodrage Chrism
Enforcer's Coat
Cloak of Summer
Brand of Kalok Shash
Tharnes Goggles
Belt of the Ram
Ring of Prowess
Lionheart Ring
Thorn Boots
Hammerfist
Tail of Suulomades

I swap these in when running the "Curse Raids", VOD and Project Nemesis:

Heart of Suulomades
Bloodbark Bracers

You lose a little DPS but I feel that is offset by not having to chug curse pots all raid.

[WarDestroyer]

No Quality STR?

This was a 10 second adaptation from my SWF/TWF STR+WIS setup to fit bloodrage chrism, where I currently use Legendary Bone Figurine and the non-raid Family Necklace instead, which is only -11% armor piercing less than the final gear (which would use slaver's trinket). If I didn't find winter set essential (which I do), I think your setup with summer cloak+belt+ring+tharne is the way to go, complements the family set just too nicely.

[Tilomere]

Updated for U50

Basic META Melee or Ranged Gearing (any Class)

18 class 1 fvs for divine might 1 other class for splash

Martialx3 ED (Dire Charge + Max Meld Charges)

Str (or dps stat) + Con + Cha, Melee feats

Intim, balance, some other skills

Capstone VKF or HW, Divine Might if not using HW trance, T5 melee/ranged class tree, acrobatics or quick strike if it matches combat style and AP fits.
Racial AP: Stuffs if you have it

Summer 7/Winter 4 Tanky-DPS Set

Legendary Sunscale (Fort, Q. Seeker, PRR, Parrying) Summer (Pick armor type by class)
Legendary Vambrace of the Summer Court (Ins. Seeker, Ins. DS, Cha) Summer
Legendary Red Dragonscale Boots (Fire Shield, Seeker, Combat Mastery, Prot) Summer
The Prince's Gauntlet (HAmp, Con, Q Resists, Q. Sheltering) Summer + Winter Artifact
Legendary Direbear Belt (Ins. Sheltering, Nat. Armor) Winter
Legendary Cloak of Summer (Fire Abs. Str, Ins. Str, Doublestrike) Summer
Legendary Nocturne Ring (True Seeing, Ins. Intim, Ins. Incite, Ins. Fort) Winter
Legendary Lionheart Ring (Stunnning, ABoosts, IArmPen, Ins. Con) Summer
Titania's Glory (Crown of Summer, Good Bypass) Summer
Rune Lodestone (Dodge Bypass, Cold Iron Bypass, Spell Saves) Winter
Legendary Sight of the Sleepwalker (Potency, Accuracy, Seeker, Deception +17)
SL Trinket: Sheltering, ARM Pen, Tendon Slice, Q DPS stat

THF: Staff of Shadows (1 rogue acrobatics) or Tail of Suulomades

S&B: The Obsidian Reaver + Legendary Ferrocrystal Shield (Bashing) Summer. Swapping trinket out for a sheltering/resists/tendon/Q. Str or Cha Slave Lords one, and boots for Legendary Sunken Slippers (Q. Cha, Ins. + Q. Potency, Displacement, Augment: Prot) to self-heal better with renewal and/or consecrate and to raise intim/concealment to light tank.

TWF: Pain, the Half of the Whole + Soulrazor. (to use VKF Rapid Slash for 20% morale DS) (Labyrinthine Edge if no room for VKF*) (SDK preferred race)

SWF: Pain, the Half of the Whole + Winter Orb/Runearm, swapping neck to summer. (Labyrinthine Edge if no room for VKF*) (SDK preferred race)

Ranged: Swap Trinket to doubleshot Changestone Summer, swap summer boots out for dps stat or divine might stat/armor pen/tendon slice/q dps or divine might stat slave lords shackles

Divine Might = Ins. Deadly/Ins. Accuracy/Ins. Tactics

Augment: DPS stat or Ins. DPS stat if missing, Dodge, Ins. divine might stat, Deadly, Sheltering, resists unless S&B as above, intim, Globe, Litany, DB, Gift, Soul

U50 Example tank buildout (swapping some spots of winter/summer and slavers around to fit spring neck for CC tanking) in US:


U49 example buildout in divine crusader (no HW support tree yet so had Stalwart Defender 2nd tree):


+/- depending on style and classes picked and ED. Force of Personality fixes will save if you are melee. A good changestone is better and move SL armor-pen item to other slot since Changestone has an extra augment slot over other summer items. For max dps you use changestone, and spring belt (armor pen + relentless fury), and goggles from Morgrave University (potency/accuracy/seeker/deception), and Epic Quiver of Alacrity (ins. deception).

If you want spell power to self-heal, you can use winter orb to free up another slot for ins/qual spell power and for SWF offhand versatility spell crit, socketing spell power into winter orb.

*Labyrinthine edge is better for burst questing and defense or if you can't afford VKF, dagger is better for long term sustained raid dps.

[magaiti]

Basic META Barbarian

Summer/Winter Tanky-DPS Set

Legendary Sunscale (Fort, Q. Seeker, PRR, Parrying) Summer
Legendary Vambrace of the Summer Court (Ins. Seeker, Ins. DS, Cha) Summer
Legendary Red Dragonscale Boots (Fire Shield, Seeker, Combat Mastery, Prot) Summer
The Prince's Gauntlet (HAmp, Con, Q Resists, Q. Sheltering) Summer + Winter Artifact
Legendary Direbear Belt (Ins. Sheltering, Nat. Armor) Winter
Legendary Cloak of Summer (Fire Abs. Str, Ins. Str, Doublestrike) Summer
Legendary Nocturne Ring (True Seeing, Ins. Intim, Ins. Incite, Ins. Fort) Winter
Legendary Lionheart Ring (Stunnning, ABoosts, IArmPen, Ins. Con) Summer
Titania's Glory (Crown of Summer, Good Bypass) Summer
Rune Lodestone (Dodge Bypass, Cold Iron Bypass, Spell Saves) Winter
***Legendary Sight of the Sleepwalker (Potency, Accuracy, Seeker, Deception +17)
Bloodrage Chrism - (P. DS, P. Sheltering)

The Magmatic Cleaver - (ArmPen, DPS Stuffs)

Nice gearset overall, but:
I don't see incorporeality bypass. (probably Ruby of Ghostbane, though you have only so many red slots)
Axes have suboptimal crit profile for FB, I'd rather have Armor-Piercing on a non-weapon item.

Regarding Enhancements suggestions:
How the heck do you fit in VKF capstone, T5 FB, and T4 falconry?
Also, VKF capstone for 2hf toon? really? why?

[Tilomere]

Nice gearset overall, but:
I don't see incorporeality bypass. (probably Ruby of Ghostbane, though you have only so many red slots)
Axes have suboptimal crit profile for FB, I'd rather have Armor-Piercing on a non-weapon item.

Regarding Enhancements suggestions:
How the heck do you fit in VKF capstone, T5 FB, and T4 falconry?
Also, VKF capstone for 2hf toon? really? why?

Edit: Piercing Clarity because armor pen rules DDO DPS, or Ruby or Aasimar Scourge cores ya. You want to move incorporeality bypass off gear slots to make room for tanking.
Tanking AND dpsing as two things at once is always suboptimal to doing one or the other purely, unless both are needed at once. The axe moves a gear affix of armor penetration off other gear slots, this gives you another gear slot to add tanking.

You have the casters run falconry. It's not like casters deal dps anyways.

You capstone VKF to replace class capstone to add DM to a build, which makes the tetris to do two different things at once work (tank and dps). DM is three insightful gear affixes, and runs off of charisma which you already have to make tanking with intim work, so generally frees up three more gear slots for tanking.

Then take those 5 gear slots saved above, and put a 4 piece winter and Bloodrage Chrism in for tankyness!

If you want to do multiple things at once like tanking AND dpsing, you need to move as many affixes as you can to abilities like divine might or your weapon/racial enhancements like armor pen and ghost touch. This frees up gear slots to do that tanking AND dpsing. Divine might is a divine ability because it was specifically designed to allow hybrid classes to hybrid and do more things at once by freeing up gear slots. We are using it here on a barbarian to allow a barbarian to hybrid as well and become a tank + dps. And you specifically need the charisma divine might, and not the falconry wisdom trance or harper int trance because charisma is what you are bumping up to intim to tank with.

[magaiti]

Thanks, very clear explanation. I like the setup, though I doubt I'll be able to get all the items soon.
Here's what I've come up with instead, though it doesn't have the 4 winter pieces OP requested:

Summer Set: 7 pcs
Winter Set: 2 pcs

Titania's Glory
Legendary Sunscale
Legendary Vambraces of the Summer Court
Legendary Cloak of Summer
Legendary Lionheart Ring
Legendary Red Dragonscale Boots
Magmatic Grasp

Legendary Direbear Belt
Legendary Nocturne Ring

Legendary Tharne's Goggles
Legendary Chains (Constitution, Armor Piercing, Intimidate, Quality Strength)
Bloodrage Chrism

Tail of the Scorpion

[Mindos]

TWF
soulreaver

What weapon is this? Is there a wiki link?

[Arkat]

What weapon is this? Is there a wiki link?

Probably means Soulrazor.

[kmoustakas]

I'm playing with the same idea as well.

I'm using family set armor/gloves/necklace
I'm using summer belt/cloak/helmet because they are too good to pass up and randomly the lionheart ring for the con but insightful con now can be covered via augments if you're lucky.
Then I'm using ring of prowess because +8mp and reaper bonus +3mp and mythic +1 so lots of mp.

I was using blood trinket but currently that's an item I'm willing to get rid off and then I am using madstone boots, tharne's goggles and bracers. I am not using dragon boots because the gloves cover the seeker. I could use thorn boots for the +5 dmg but the bonuses from madstone rage feel better to me. What sucks the most is there is no feywild goggles. I was thinking to potentially lose the family set and use tyranical tinkerer goggles and gloves cause they also give +15 mp now, then winter bracers, boots, ring (instead of summer ring) and either armor or trinket. But then I'd lose the cannith trigger and the fury trigger.

If you are set on using the bloodchrism trinket, it may be worth to go full crypt set to clear the gloves? Still 15 melee power and maybe you can cover the other family things via summer set?

[commando4290]

With all the updated legendary items and saltmarsh. What is "the" most optimal setup to squeeze every bit of DPS out of a TWF Fighter 18 / 1 fvs / 1 mnk using Longswords + Knights Training (Bitter Edge + Soulrazor)

Is it still the same old Family set / Summer set / Winter Set / Mantle of Suulo / Bloodrage Chrism?

I'm aware of the need for survivability, but that can be worked on once every bit of DPS is squeezed out.

[Riffolk]

With all the updated legendary items and saltmarsh. What is "the" most optimal setup to squeeze every bit of DPS out of a TWF Fighter 18 / 1 fvs / 1 mnk using Longswords + Knights Training (Bitter Edge + Soulrazor)

Is it still the same old Family set / Summer set / Winter Set / Mantle of Suulo / Bloodrage Chrism?

I'm aware of the need for survivability, but that can be worked on once every bit of DPS is squeezed out.

It may be worthwhile to start a new thread asking for gear input seeing as the OP was originally asking about a Barb THF gearset (even though they'd likely have similarities).

Gilga breaks down his gearset for his 14 Pally/5 Ranger/1 Monk TWF here (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post6414094)
That may give you some insights for gearing. But it seems to be missing some sources of extra damage, namely Leg. Ring of Prowess + a source of Quality Seeker.
Hence why some people say gear-tetris is a full game in itself.

Also of note, the "Dripping with Magma" proc on the Legendary Red Dragonscale armors + the Feywild Raid axes is an excellent source of damage (especially on a quick hitting TWF build).

[Devastatian]

Winter 4. Is never worth it. Unless solo.

[Devastatian]

Winter 4. Is never worth it. Unless solo.

You got Bros that think r10 single raid is worth it, You got bros that think ****ing lego 10 reaps solo are worth it.Then...You got bros grping, kunarak 2, 4, Coinlord 2 4. Top of the line soloing reaper mode, dont listen to lava diggers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY-V_ODzWC4&t=10s
pretty dope video of who doesnt give a **** about raiders. Just ego.