Are you kidding me?!

[ianflaer]

Look, I know it's Hard Core and supposed to be, well, HARD I get it. I understand that if I make a mistake like jumping into a trap in the wrong place or aggroing too man monsters at once I'm going to die. I even like that. I play carefully for the most part.

Today, however, I have a complaint. ok I was in Elite TOEE solo. but I was just carefully farming out some kills for XP. going slow and careful. my hirelings accidentally grabbed too many groups of mobs aggro and I saw it so I turned around and ran to the door to take me back to the entrance level and bug out. THIS IS BEING CAREFUL AND SMART. I got to the door WELL ahead of the mobs, like several seconds maybe even ten or so. I was so far ahead I was completely out of sight of the mobs, yes they were coming but I had lots of time. THE DOOR DID NOT WORK! I mean there was nothing to even click! no door icon on my cursor, no reaction to me using Q and E, no door to select. none. I was unable to get to my teleport scrolls before the mobs got to me and frankly I had wasted my time trying to click a door that wasn't there. I really don't mind losing a toon to reasonable situations, even lag as it is a constant in the game and to be expected. there was no lag for me or at least no more than at any other time. the dungeon alert and being hit by a few arrows had slowed me down but I was prepared for that.

I feel like this is some top shelf BS.

is the door to the upper level supposed to go away during a dungeon alert? I have never seen it do so before.

this is the one and only time I have lost a character where I think it should be given back. this is nonsense (I would prefer to use some of my sailor words here)

[thwart]

Honestly the best part of hardcore is reading these posts! Sorry for your loss. RIP.

[awar1234]

First you were solo..... nope ... wrong server, unless you are running normal , which if you say you are just doing kills then you should be. And if you die on normal even if mobbed then , yep you deserve to die... sorry not sorry

Second you were using a hire and YOU DID NOT o CONTROL IT. You accepted an broken AI hire toon into your group. All your fault . You are now basically double solo!!! You have to control two toon and both seem dumb.....

Don’t play silly and you won’t die..... even when something dumb happens like doors dissapear


And you could not get your teleport scrolls on time why weren’t they on your hot bar?????
Do you have too many inconsistencies with your story..... you deserve to die.

You are the weakest link goodbye

[Careall]

First you were solo..... nope ... wrong server, unless you are running normal , which if you say you are just doing kills then you should be. And if you die on normal even if mobbed then , yep you deserve to die... sorry not sorry

Second you were using a hire and YOU DID NOT o CONTROL IT. You accepted an broken AI hire toon into your group. All your fault . You are now basically double solo!!! You have to control two toon and both seem dumb.....

Don’t play silly and you won’t die..... even when something dumb happens like doors dissapear


And you could not get your teleport scrolls on time why weren’t they on your hot bar?????
Do you have too many inconsistencies with your story..... you deserve to die.

You are the weakest link goodbye

First, "F." Respects for OP's loss.

I'm going to go along with awar's post, to a point. Yes, the door not opening may have been the straw that broke the camel's back, but there was a lot of stuff that compounded into the OP's demise. One can solo ToEE on elite in Hardcore, but if you need hires, I'd rethink your build or your definition of "solo." Hires, pets, and summons will aggro mobs and you can lose control of a quest (a lesson learned?). In hardcore, if you lose control of aggro in a quest, the default is death unless you get lucky, not the other way around. There are numerous similar threads about folks who join PUGs only to have members zerg through a wilderness or quest, creating a dungeon alert, and then killing the poster's toon. Yes, those other players are responsible, but the toon's player is always accountable. Those zergers and jerk party members don't have to reroll their toon and start over - the toon's player does.

For example: In HC Season 2, I took a 1st level toon into PVP against a 4th level toon and was instantly killed. I thought the guy was joking around, but he killed me without batting an eye. That was fun because it was only a first-level toon. There was also no doubt the other guy killed my toon - he was responsible. But I made all the choices up to entering the PVP area and I had to live with rerolling that toon. Not a big deal, but the point is no matter how responsible that guy was, I was accountable.

DDO is responsible for a broken door or the quest design or lag or whatever killed a toon. The OP made a few less-than-optimal choices. I personally would take a moment and learn from my mistakes. Thanks for this thread so others can learn too.

[darkniteyogi]

My condolences.. but what business did you have stepping into that quest solo on Elite? Especially you were doing it for the XP? Were you doing it just for fun?

For the thrill, maybe?

[ianflaer]

To those of you saying I had no business soloing that quest let alone with hirelings… you are absolutely right. I kmew these risks and I thought i had a backup plan that would work out. It would have too except for that dumb door. I did not anticipate trouble of that kind and while it hurts my pride really bad I know I was wrong.

Let my demise be a lesson to others.

*sigh*

[Kaliya]

To those of you saying I had no business soloing that quest let alone with hirelings… you are absolutely right. I kmew these risks and I thought i had a backup plan that would work out. It would have too except for that dumb door. I did not anticipate trouble of that kind and while it hurts my pride really bad I know I was wrong.

Let my demise be a lesson to others.

*sigh*

What a thoughtful, mature response to criticism (some of which a little on the harsher side).

How refreshing.

Thank you.

[Memnir]

[Justicesfury]

Honestly the best part of hardcore is reading these posts! Sorry for your loss. RIP.

That's funny

[Justicesfury]

To those of you saying I had no business soloing that quest let alone with hirelings… you are absolutely right. I kmew these risks and I thought i had a backup plan that would work out. It would have too except for that dumb door. I did not anticipate trouble of that kind and while it hurts my pride really bad I know I was wrong.

Let my demise be a lesson to others.

*sigh*

Plenty of HC season left. Hang in there, make another toon and l garuantee you won't solo that quest again with hires.

[Justicesfury]

To those of you saying I had no business soloing that quest let alone with hirelings… you are absolutely right. I kmew these risks and I thought i had a backup plan that would work out. It would have too except for that dumb door. I did not anticipate trouble of that kind and while it hurts my pride really bad I know I was wrong.

Let my demise be a lesson to others.

*sigh*

Classy response to feedback. Kudos to your outlook and for sharing.

[zooble]

I think OP panicked.

I just tested this and if you run into the corner, jamming yourself between the doorframe and the actual selectable "door", Q and click might not work if your camera is facing away from the middle.

Yeah it probably could be better, but playing this game for a while, it's no different from the wonky positionings of other usable items. Like I'd be spamming Q E well before I even got to the door.

[OzmarDDO]

I was in Elite TOEE solo...

Ok, well, that was your first mistake right there...

And before you get mad, I made 1 char this season, got to level 20, reincarnated and was on a favor run, and died in TOEE. So I quit. It was enough for me this season. Maybe next time I'll get to 5k...

-Ozmar the Deceased

[Thrudh]

I was in Elite TOEE solo

I love and respect your responses to all the posters who gave you trouble.

Salute...

But yeah, don't solo Elite TOEE with a hireling