Update 49 - is it yet another round of nerfs ?

[rabidfox]

Just so you are aware, this is actually a buff to the Heroic version of the longbow, which before this patch was at 20x2

Ooooo, it's x3 now. Nice.

[FengXian]

Just so you are aware, this is actually a buff to the Heroic version of the longbow, which before this patch was at 20x2

Could we get some answers about these though?

-What is being done for Monk Archer (Moncher) builds now that you have removed 10k stars from bow use?
-What is being done for ALL Arcane Archer imbues now that you have changed how doubleshot / mulitshot interacts with those specific enhancements? Meaning, you removed the ability of each arrow of a multihit generating a DC check for those abilities or elemental damage crit chances.
-Will there be any boosts to Zen Archery as it is mostly a useless feat now that Moncher 10k is no longer usable with longbows?
-What is being done to improve the issues of 'dry fire' that are more than just a little noticeable on Lamannia?
-Will you be giving out any +20 hearts of wood when u49 rolls out?
-The lowering of +2 crit range bows to +1, (I am not particularly arguing this but it is mentioned a lot) what is being done for those bows?
-What is being done for aimed shot which relied on doubleshot to gain several stacks of archers focus.
-What is being done for Archers focus since that relied on doubleshot to stack up.
-Why is shot on the run a trap feat for noobs. (Should make this do something like removing the 3 second timer before you can gain archers focus stacks)

Could be summed up even further I suppose:

-Monkchers
-Procs
-Projectile bug (seems worse now btw)
-Nerfed bows math
-AF
-Shot on the Run

Let's add ranged attack speed sneaky nerf (different from what was stated on Lamannia and in release notes, Steel just said it's gonna stay that way).

This was supposed to be a bow pass, they are mediocre at best even compared to before. Casters with infinite mana breeze through content and have utility on top, but bows won't get their time to shine because it's "more balanced if they are mediocre"?

[Redtalktree]

Could we get some answers about these though?



Could be summed up even further I suppose:

-Monkchers
-Procs
-Projectile bug (seems worse now btw)
-Nerfed bows math
-AF
-Shot on the Run

Let's add ranged attack speed sneaky nerf (different from what was stated on Lamannia and in release notes, Steel just said it's gonna stay that way).

This was supposed to be a bow pass, they are mediocre at best even compared to before. Casters with infinite mana breeze through content and have utility on top, but bows won't get their time to shine because it's "more balanced if they are mediocre"?

Hmmmm two words..Horizon walker..... Probably have endless arrow conjure or have multishot oldstyle back

[Michaelaz2]

It's a nerf masquerading as "Performace Upgrades and a Lag Fix".

YUP - Or blame the users for crappy code and hardware "ItZ yOuR Pc"

[Djjinni]

Heroics get nerfed. Epics stay or get buffed. Of course. End game folks always get what they want while everyone else gets nerfed.

Yeah that's not how that works. This is an improvement. Just as many of the changes in this update, it's misunderstood and incorrect 'goals' are assumed.


Maybe spend a little more time reading the changes with an open mind, instead of applying bitter 'us vs them' mentality to it in every thread. It's more productive honestly!

[Artos_Fabril]

It's a nerf masquerading as "Performace Upgrades and a Lag Fix".

So Rapid Shot is working, but bows are firing slower than Pre-U49, and slower than we were told the intended speed was, but that's because the intended speed was lowered, which was not previously announced?

And this "Bow Pass" was supposed to make the archer playstyle more effective independent of Horizon Walker?

Correct on all points. Attack speed is not even close to the only metric at play here, and even at the current, lower-than-the-arbitrary-speed-you-were-stuck-at-before speed, most bow builds should be more effective overall than pre-U49. Your mileage will vary, as with every change, and we absolutely don't expect everyone to agree that it's better.

So yeah, removed doublehit procs, reduced fire rate, removed burst, and theoretically increased but actually decreased the attack speed ceiling.

And this isn't just so they can sell the power back with Horizon Walker :eyeroll:

[Merfyn]

So yeah, removed doublehit procs, reduced fire rate, removed burst, and theoretically increased but actually decreased the attack speed ceiling.

And this isn't just so they can sell the power back with Horizon Walker :eyeroll:

So is there a path forward here?

I'm not interested in poking the dev-bear, & I understand this is a dying "Free to Play" game despite having poured well over $200 into it (better this than Candy Crush).

What I'm wondering as one of the filthy F2P casuals who occasionally goes VIP is, was there a final verdict as to what can be done with all the now-trashed monkcher builds, particularly the 12Rgr/6Mnk/2Rog ones? With 6 levels of monk now essentially pointless?

I've only got a standard lesser heart to eat on one account with such a toon, using sub-optimal gear that won't really make a good build otherwise. It seems like the consensus is that I shouldn't even bother to play it any longer unless the devs decide to somehow throw it a bone with Horizon Walker.

Is this toon simply a lost cause now? Or is there something I could limp along with at lvl 20 to get essential TR gear? Because I couldn't even solo some of the Disciples of Rage content on Heroic Elite at lvl 18 after the update without being swamped.

[Artos_Fabril]

So is there a path forward here?

I'm not interested in poking the dev-bear, & I understand this is a dying "Free to Play" game despite having poured well over $200 into it (better this than Candy Crush).

What I'm wondering as one of the filthy F2P casuals who occasionally goes VIP is, was there a final verdict as to what can be done with all the now-trashed monkcher builds, particularly the 12Rgr/6Mnk/2Rog ones? With 6 levels of monk now essentially pointless?

I've only got a standard lesser heart to eat on one account with such a toon, using sub-optimal gear that won't really make a good build otherwise. It seems like the consensus is that I shouldn't even bother to play it any longer unless the devs decide to somehow throw it a bone with Horizon Walker.

Is this toon simply a lost cause now? Or is there something I could limp along with at lvl 20 to get essential TR gear? Because I couldn't even solo some of the Disciples of Rage content on Heroic Elite at lvl 18 after the update without being swamped.

Monkcher is dead until (at least) the next monk pass. A basic lesser heart might get you into some kind of tempest monk TWF build. It will be suboptimal, but able to complete L20 heroic content.

Personally, I'm waiting to so how U50/U51 play out, because I don't see any point grinding the worse version of the game now if the game is going to be better afterwards, and I don't see any point in grinding now to enjoy the game less in the future if the game isn't going to get better.

[AbyssalMage]

So is there a path forward here?

There is always a path forward. The question is, "Is the path worth traveling?"

I'm not interested in poking the dev-bear, & I understand this is a dying "Free to Play" game despite having poured well over $200 into it (better this than Candy Crush).

Don't feed the bears

What I'm wondering as one of the filthy F2P casuals who occasionally goes VIP is, was there a final verdict as to what can be done with all the now-trashed monkcher builds, particularly the 12Rgr/6Mnk/2Rog ones? With 6 levels of monk now essentially pointless?

Wait?
Hope they see the error of their ways?
Grab Short Swords and TWF to 20?

I've only got a standard lesser heart to eat on one account with such a toon, using sub-optimal gear that won't really make a good build otherwise. It seems like the consensus is that I shouldn't even bother to play it any longer unless the devs decide to somehow throw it a bone with Horizon Walker.

Grab 20 and TR before U50. The developers are insisting on "Full speed ahead with full knowledge there are icebergs in the water."

[QuoteIs this toon simply a lost cause now? Or is there something I could limp along with at lvl 20 to get essential TR gear? Because I couldn't even solo some of the Disciples of Rage content on Heroic Elite at lvl 18 after the update without being swamped.[/QUOTE]
U50 and U51 are going to be worse.
Lost cause? Na, grab a couple SS's and TWF. Hopefully you can pike in some Sharn to make 20.

[devashta]

It's a nerf masquerading as "Performace Upgrades and a Lag Fix".

How true you were - last week was horrible lag in Ghallanda, even doing bank tasks was lagging like hell.

I missed U49 due to real life issues, and was hoping the proc-nerfs & adrenaline nerfs were to combat lag, what a bunch of <>.

[Merfyn]

It will be suboptimal, but able to complete L20 heroic content.

Hopefully you can pike in some Sharn to make 20.

Thanks for the answers. To be clear, I had parked prior to 20 and suddenly had no choice but to level after something on the server, but I find the toon quite unprepared for HE now. I suppose I'll toodle along trying to farm essential TR items but it's going to feel even more grindy than normal.

[Artos_Fabril]

I suppose I'll toodle along trying to farm essential TR items but it's going to feel even more grindy than normal.

Personally, I'm waiting to so how U50/U51 play out, because I don't see any point grinding the worse version of the game now if the game is going to be better afterwards, and I don't see any point in grinding now to enjoy the game less in the future if the game isn't going to get better.

I suggest a similar solution. If you have other characters you enjoy, play one of them for now, either it will get better, or if it doesn't, you'll be able to make a more informed decision about what it will take to make it fun again.