Massive Delay when Weapon Swapping in Update 49

[redoubt]

We know the play experience for those who swap their equipment is more jarring than it was prior to the update.

Two things:

1. I really (really) do appreciate that you step in and explain the things happening behind the scenes. It makes me feel more included, I find it facinating most times and it helps me support your efforts.

2. I did find this sentence that I quoted a little odd. I don't know people who don't swap weapons. My low level xbow user runs a ratcatcher, a undead spec repeater and a reaper spec'd repeater. My assassin has dps set, muckbane set and reaper set (and a throwing dagger.) I think very few people will be unaffected by this.

[Arjen]

I saw no delay in swapping from THF to Bow and back. Solo in The Cogs.

That's because you're totally missing the issue - we're talking about weapon swaps while attacking.

[Singular]

You don't need to delete everything in order to walk away. If you don't come back before the game shuts down, there's no difference, and if you are tempted back by something (like actual fixes instead of cludges) you won't have to throw more money at them to undelete your characters.

Some of us just don't have your patience. We make drastic decisions that change our lives forever.

[Singular]

Two things:

1. I really (really) do appreciate that you step in and explain the things happening behind the scenes. It makes me feel more included, I find it facinating most times and it helps me support your efforts.

2. I did find this sentence that I quoted a little odd. I don't know people who don't swap weapons. My low level xbow user runs a ratcatcher, a undead spec repeater and a reaper spec'd repeater. My assassin has dps set, muckbane set and reaper set (and a throwing dagger.) I think very few people will be unaffected by this.

Totally agree with you. As for your point 2: casters generally don't swap weapons. Probably all other classes must.

[arminius]

Two things:

1. I really (really) do appreciate that you step in and explain the things happening behind the scenes. It makes me feel more included, I find it facinating most times and it helps me support your efforts.

2. I did find this sentence that I quoted a little odd. I don't know people who don't swap weapons. My low level xbow user runs a ratcatcher, a undead spec repeater and a reaper spec'd repeater. My assassin has dps set, muckbane set and reaper set (and a throwing dagger.) I think very few people will be unaffected by this.

I think melee not swapping weapons is more a level 29+, or even an epic thing generally. When you have a weapon with maxed sentient xp and filigrees, and that weapon is pretty awesome to begin with, which is why you put max sentient xp and ideal filigrees in it in the first place, it is often hard to find a case where you want to swap, or anything worth swapping to.

I know some people like to micromanage their filigrees to equip one weapon, hit a boost that that weapon is ideal for, then switch to another weapon for another benefit. That is definitely too fiddly for me. I have main weapon, and ferrocrystal blunt weapon for oozes and rusties, and then something to throw at distant things, and that's it.

[Zretch]

I think melee not swapping weapons is more a level 29+, or even an epic thing generally. When you have a weapon with maxed sentient xp and filigrees, and that weapon is pretty awesome to begin with, which is why you put max sentient xp and ideal filigrees in it in the first place, it is often hard to find a case where you want to swap, or anything worth swapping to.

I know some people like to micromanage their filigrees to equip one weapon, hit a boost that that weapon is ideal for, then switch to another weapon for another benefit. That is definitely too fiddly for me. I have main weapon, and ferrocrystal blunt weapon for oozes and rusties, and then something to throw at distant things, and that's it.

Yea, not so much. You swap weapons to apply greensteel debuffs every few seconds constantly throughout combat.

[DeltaBravo]

You don't hold back an update because of a bug like this. It does not block gameplay, it does not cause data corruption. It impacts gameplay, less for some, more than others. They have acknowledged the bug, found a fix and will be patching to correct. What more do you want?



Is it too harsh to say...good? Sounds like you need a break anyways.

Fot the players this effect alot the game is broken. maybe not for 80% of the players but for alot of players it is.. And while this might not need to be holded back there is absolutely not a need to bpush a update forward where there is bugs that was found i preview 2. of update 49 on the test server. It should not go live with bugs like this.. even if it only effected 1% of the gamers.

[Ulfo]

As for your point 2: casters generally don't swap weapons.

Totally wrong. All need free 1000 tmp HP boost from LGS.

[kaipan]

That's because you're totally missing the issue - we're talking about weapon swaps while attacking.

Which doesn't make any sense at all and should have never been WAI in the first place so we should celebrate it's finally gone?

[Kebtid]

Update so far is...


Neato

[Stormraiser]

Is this WAI? This is absolute rubbish for debuffing during fights.

The smooth and interesting gameplay that makes this game awesome isn't feeling super great at the moment.

Was the name Arjen used in any other games besides DDO?

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

That's because you're totally missing the issue - we're talking about weapon swaps while attacking.

What about clothing ? It often has a lot of attributes as well ...

[DjangoKeys]

So, TWF weapon swaps may or may not get fixed next week. Meanwhile, I’m not playing until they fix this unacceptable mess.

Nice to know what SSG actually thinks of their player base. I’ve gone ahead and canceled my subscription and completely deleted all payment details from my account. Since they want to treat all of us like second-class citizens, they won’t get another penny from me. I’m merely gonna stick around like a flea on a dog’s ass, sucking up resources without paying in a cent because I no longer feel that this dilapidated garbage barge is worth paying for. I’m gonna stick around just to watch SSG go under from their own sheer ineptitude.

FWIW, if I did a credit card chargeback for the last 60 days, I’d get about $1200 back from SSG. So, now imagine how much future revenue their utter lack of professionalism has cost them, because I know for a fact that I’m not the only dolphin here that made that decision over this.

Simply put, SSG doesn’t deserve our money.

[Alizar]

They’ve known about this since the first Lam. They decided to ignore it. They decided that players affected by this don’t matter enough to delay the update.

Right now, it’s all I can do to not delete my toons and my guild, because it’s getting to the point that I feel that I need to wipe and flush this game - along with the tone deaf devs ruining it - completely out of my life.

Wowsers buddy take a chill pill. You better get some anger management while you are on your next DDO break. It’s a game CTFO!

[Artos_Fabril]

...We are looking at ways to mitigate that, however, due to the extreme severity of the backend issue this change was resolving and the danger of rushing work on the equipment code that change is targeted for a followup patch. We're currently looking at potentially next week should everything fall into place without issue.

Sure do wish SSG would take the same attitude towards the initial patch as they do to the fix for the patch.

[DjangoKeys]

Wowsers buddy take a chill pill. You better get some anger management while you are on your next DDO break. It’s a game CTFO!

Um, no. Regardless of whether this is a game or not, it’s still a business that sells a product, and right now their product is utter junk. They should be embarrassed, but it’s “business” as usual for that crowd.

[LavidDynch]

Will you fix the 'NHB stand still and load unable to do anything for 2 seconds' too (if you happen to use the ability while standing still issue)?

[KoobTheProud]

That's because you're totally missing the issue - we're talking about weapon swaps while attacking.

Why do you not make armor swaps while attacking for the defensive benefits those armors provide?

Because there is a delay that makes the value of swapping negligible unless you are 100% cloth/outfit.

Why should weapon swapping be instantaneous?

Just because it always has been?

Maybe that's the problem .

[Artos_Fabril]

Why should weapon swapping be instantaneous?

Just because it always has been?

Maybe that's the problem .

Because it's a free action. If this was intended behavior, it should have a "cast bar" like armor swaps, and be interuptable if you can't afford to have a 2 second pause in combat.

[KoobTheProud]

Because it's a free action. If this was intended behavior, it should have a "cast bar" like armor swaps, and be interuptable if you can't afford to have a 2 second pause in combat.

So, I'm picturing each adventurer having a caddy?

To carry around the multiple weapons they carry because these should be easily accessible when they are fighting for their lives in the thick of combat?

Like a guy to carefully toss them the backup swords when they need them to apply the debuffs?

Free actions in D&D, which is a round by round, turn by turn affair, really shouldn't be free actions in DDO which is a second to second FPS-type game. At least not if you want to retain any suspension of disbelief about this being D&D as opposed to whatever it actually is.

I don't know any DM's out there who let players freely swap between multiple two-handed swords in combat, as an example. It's not a free action when you have two or three bugbears breathing heavily on you.