What did you die from?

[Cableman]

I hope you learned your lesson to never go afk while unprotected on hc

Not really mad about, I know better, he was just a farm character I created to get funds for the ship and farm items I need on other characters. My main ones are all still alive.

[aGarde]

The fact that out of 10 categories you didn't think lag would account for at least 10 % says a lot more about you than your survey .
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I could go on but most will get the point here . Since it came up in every party like mimics i just dont understand why it did not warrant a spot by itself in your survey . Seems biased to me almost like lying by omission ...

I think the reason lag is left out is due to how many people simply use it as an excuse for their own bad play.

Case in point : Circles in VOD. I see people "flexing" by simply standing in them, or even running to get into them to demonstrate how "leet" they are. Then they roll a 1, take too much damage, die, or get cursed right away, can't be healed, die. 100% of the time you hear "lag".

I see sorcs run ahead of the party, in high reapers, fail to hold everything, get 1 shotted, and say "lag".

yes, lag is real, but I think more people claim it as an excuse for their own poor play as actually die from real lag issues.

[Cranjis]

I think the reason lag is left out is due to how many people simply use it as an excuse for their own bad play.

Case in point : Circles in VOD. I see people "flexing" by simply standing in them, or even running to get into them to demonstrate how "leet" they are. Then they roll a 1, take too much damage, die, or get cursed right away, can't be healed, die. 100% of the time you hear "lag".

I see sorcs run ahead of the party, in high reapers, fail to hold everything, get 1 shotted, and say "lag".

yes, lag is real, but I think more people claim it as an excuse for their own poor play as actually die from real lag issues.

^this. Also, I made the poll based on obituaries that I saw, not the claims people made on how they died. Obituaries don't say "slain by lag" so I didn't include that.

[jetster11]

I went to disarm a trap I knew was there but there was a dual trap there i had forgotten about and because we were in reaper and I did not have my evasion yet (insta death).

[gaxpar]

5 categories with ZERO VOTE out of 10 so after 27 voters you have

ZERO people that voted in 5 categories

2 categories with 2 votes (7%)

1 with 3 votes or (11%)

And

Mimic with 10 votes 37% more than 1/3


And others 10 votes more than 1/3


So please explain why we have the extra 5 categories that no one clicked it seems like an exercise in futility doesn't it ?

I mean numbers speak for themselves ... But yet LAG could not be a serious enough issue to warrant its own spot !!!


WE dont want to know if you died by lag . And the fact that some people wont be totally honest with their answers happens in every survey (ever heard of the margin of error ?) , when surveyed 90 % of men say they can last hours in the bedroom ( the avg being 12 minutes )


To me what even more biased or dishonest is to not evaluate lag as a category that would warrant its own spot . Because by default youre assuming that most people would be dishonest about their answer therefore you dont include it ? Sorry not buying , and if this was done with a modicum of integrity and transparency it would have been categorized .

If the survey was conducted by SSG it would have been understandable they want to avoid the elephant in the room they have been for years right ?

But by a player ? i just dont get it .

Thank you and have a good day .

[Cranjis]

5 categories with ZERO VOTE out of 10 so after 27 voters you have

ZERO people that voted in 5 categories

2 categories with 2 votes (7%)

1 with 3 votes or (11%)

And

Mimic with 10 votes 37% more than 1/3


And others 10 votes more than 1/3


So please explain why we have the extra 5 categories that no one clicked it seems like an exercise in futility doesn't it ?

I mean numbers speak for themselves ... But yet LAG could not be a serious enough issue to warrant its own spot !!!


WE dont want to know if you died by lag . And the fact that some people wont be totally honest with their answers happens in every survey (ever heard of the margin of error ?) , when surveyed 90 % of men say they can last hours in the bedroom ( the avg being 12 minutes )


To me what even more biased or dishonest is to not evaluate lag as a category that would warrant its own spot . Because by default youre assuming that most people would be dishonest about their answer therefore you dont include it ? Sorry not buying , and if this was done with a modicum of integrity and transparency it would have been categorized .

Thank you and have a good day .

psst, read two posts above the one im quoting, maybe that will help you.

[gaxpar]

^this. Also, I made the poll based on obituaries that I saw, not the claims people made on how they died. Obituaries don't say "slain by lag" so I didn't include that.

According to early votes the readers seems to have read very different obituaries than you did no ?

Have a good day that was my 2 cp .

[Cranjis]

According to early votes the readers seems to have read very different obituaries than you did no ?

Have a good day that was my 2 cp .

Uhh, actually the majority of voters went with something listed that wasnt "other". 65% of current voters went with something listed. Plus, it only gives so many options, couldn't list every single obituary I saw, so I just put got the ones I saw more than three times.

[gaxpar]

Uhh, actually the majority of voters went with something listed that wasn't "other". 65% of current voters went with something listed. Plus, it only gives so many options, couldn't list every single obituary I saw, so I just put got the ones I saw more than three times.

The top 2 categories mimics and others account for 75 % (20/29) of all Deaths according to your poll right ? you see that right ? Totally justified categories we all see that im sure .

So the nest three categories account for 25 % of all deaths ... justified .



The next 5 categories accounts for ZERO % after 29 polled dont you see the elephant in the room again ? So lag wouldn't have polled higher than any of these 5 categories ? LOL it would have polled higher than all 5 categories COMBINED . You can refuse to see it it doesn't mean its not true , pretty sure its obvious for most people reading this .



Then kills by arcane skeleton 0 % wouldn't lag be more appropriate there ? dont you think that you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


Kills by kobold shaman 0 % dont you think that *** you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


Kill by a seething mephit 0% dont you think that *** you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


Killed by a magma elemental 0% dont you think that *** you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


Killed by a symbiont champ dont you think that LAG you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


If your answer for these 5 categories is , you dont think lag would have had more votes then i dont know how to explain or say that your survey is very biased and is missing the Humongous Elephant in the room .


Have a good day . I guess by reading your poll we can conclude that ... There is no lag right ?

[Cranjis]

The top 2 categories mimics and others account for 75 % (20/29) of all Deaths according to your poll right ? you see that right ? Totally justified categories we all see that im sure .

So the nest three categories account for 25 % of all deaths ... justified .



The next 5 categories accounts for ZERO % after 29 polled dont you see the elephant in the room again ? So lag wouldn't have polled higher than any of these 5 categories ? LOL it would have polled higher than all 5 categories COMBINED . You can refuse to see it it doesn't mean its not true , pretty sure its obvious for most people reading this .



Then kills by arcane skeleton 0 % wouldn't lag be more appropriate there ? dont you think that you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


Kills by kobold shaman 0 % dont you think that you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


Kill by a seething mephit 0% dont you think that you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


Killed by a magma elemental 0% dont you think that you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


Killed by a symbiont champ dont you think that you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


If your answer for these 5 categories is , you dont think lag would have had more votes then i dont know how to explain or say that your survey is very biased and is missing the Humongous Elephant in the room .


Have a good day . I guess by reading your poll we can conclude that ... There is no lag right ?

You are still not seeing that I did not put lag in because there is no "Slain by lag" obituary. Grow a brain and read some of the past comments. Lag can be used as an excuse to cover a bad play, as said by aGarde. Stop typing out giant paragraphs in an attempt to prove the same thing over and over, I already gave you the answer to the question you had.

[boredGamer]

Pretty sure the point is, no matter what killed you, some players will *always* say "lawyer blanked me", instead of whatever actually killed them.

For example: lag hits, mimic kills you in level 3 elite quest, on your level 2 character. You could say:

- mimic killed me - most literal
- being overconfident / wrong level range killed me - taking some ownership
- opening an elite chest at a level you clearly don't have the AP in most builds to deal with the situation - taking more ownership
- not having appropriate acid pots / defenses - taking more ownership
- "just bad luck!" - technically true, mimics are luck based
- "lag killed me!" - also technically true, maybe without the lag, you wouldn't have died.
etc

So you want players to honestly answer what got them killed? Most will take the easy way out and say lawyer blanked me, SSG is evil and HC is stupid. Instead of just really looking at the events that got them killed.

This poll, is about what *literally* killed you. It's pretty worthless IMO as I believe the decisions that get most people killed are decisions made long before the quest they die in even started. But hard to get people to own up to that.

*** lag can be the primary cause of death even to the most prepared, careful players. But at rates far less than unprepared, careless players.

[GLITRKING]

Gotta disagree here and I see this above. My barb has had no mimic problems. If you're built right in level appropriate content, expect a mimic at all times, should be no problem. Still want to jump away as that initial mimic hit where it is right on you is brutal. But then just engage once it has slid wherever. Max is a few dots that acid resist and temp hp should clear no problem.

Sprint boost is nice in case you get too many dots. Just run away long enough for them to clear.

I've been running my Paladin similar to this now. Load up on Resist acid or Protection, hit myself with an aid or virtue, open chest and jump back. If no Mimic, collect loot. If mimic, wait for it to grab my hireling or jump/slide and then wade in. Haste or haste boost is good too if you get hit with the slow.

[kmoustakas]

What did you die from in hardcore? I have gathered a list of the most common things people have died by from looking at the death notifications, and I am interested in seeing what got the majority of the forum community

Died to fear champ because I was surrounded by mephits and didn't see the debuff on me. Had potions to use had I seen it, but such is the life on hardcore

[fatherpirate]

you need to add a new choice ...

Several of the enemies listed above all at the same time.

I died from a mob with 2 Champions, Kobold caster and 2 reapers - Together

It was a good death. Killed them all but the caster nailed me with a crit.

it happens

[Tsutti]

L15 now, haven't died yet! Several people have died in my group though :
1 - arti to a trap in stk, but not really his fault.
2 - someone who didn't wait for traps to be disabled in Xorian Cypher
3 - arti to the mudman boss in redfens Fathom the Depths
4 - arti to trap in Death House, tried to jump over it while I was disabling it.

...

It seems like mimics get L3 people all the time.

lol it seems like artis die a lot based on your poor party members

The top 2 categories mimics and others account for 75 % (20/29) of all Deaths according to your poll right ? you see that right ? Totally justified categories we all see that im sure .

So the nest three categories account for 25 % of all deaths ... justified .



The next 5 categories accounts for ZERO % after 29 polled dont you see the elephant in the room again ? So lag wouldn't have polled higher than any of these 5 categories ? LOL it would have polled higher than all 5 categories COMBINED . You can refuse to see it it doesn't mean its not true , pretty sure its obvious for most people reading this .



Then kills by arcane skeleton 0 % wouldn't lag be more appropriate there ? dont you think that you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


Kills by kobold shaman 0 % dont you think that *** you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


Kill by a seething mephit 0% dont you think that *** you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


Killed by a magma elemental 0% dont you think that *** you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


Killed by a symbiont champ dont you think that LAG you would have more then ZERO people if lag had its own slot/column/category ?


If your answer for these 5 categories is , you dont think lag would have had more votes then i dont know how to explain or say that your survey is very biased and is missing the Humongous Elephant in the room .


Have a good day . I guess by reading your poll we can conclude that ... There is no lag right ?

...........it's been made abundantly clear and obvious that the point is to poll based on what the GAME says killed you, not based on what YOU THINK killed you..........lag literally CANNOT be in the poll therefore because the game doesn't know what "lag" is and lag cannot do any damage to your character

[fatherpirate]

not exactly true ...
RARELY ... lag can kill by itself.

If it lag spikes hard when your jumping a broken piece of topography
or get lagged while falling and your were just about to hit ground ...

You can end up falling right through the ground and then the game auto kills you.

in those rare cases ... lag was the killer.

[TartanKane]

Level 12, was farming chests in Feywild looking for runearm. Went afk because of a phone call, had to look some things up to answer questions, gone about 20 minutes. I thought I killed everything near me, but a Crayfish, a Crayfish!, chipped away at my 230 hit points one or two points of damage at a time, I came back to see my character was dead.....all my fault lol.

I saw that death message. Couldn't believe it.

[TartanKane]

Similar thing happened to us in Repossession. Player was using a hireling rogue (we lost our actual rogue in Bookbinder) to disable the museum traps. We were all waiting outside of the room. The player said "Done", so we mindlessly entered the room like lemmings only to have him lift an artifact that was still trapped and wipe the entire party, minus one player who likely wasn't paying attention at the moment and didn't enter with us. So four-way kill was the result. That one is still hard to swallow.

Yeah, I was running that group with you and it really hurt that we had waited in the other room until we thought it was ok to go.

[Oxarhamar]

not exactly true ...
RARELY ... lag can kill by itself.

If it lag spikes hard when your jumping a broken piece of topography
or get lagged while falling and your were just about to hit ground ...

You can end up falling right through the ground and then the game auto kills you.

in those rare cases ... lag was the killer.

Still won't come up as such which is what was being referred to

[Cranjis]

...........it's been made abundantly clear and obvious that the point is to poll based on what the GAME says killed you, not based on what YOU THINK killed you..........lag literally CANNOT be in the poll therefore because the game doesn't know what "lag" is and lag cannot do any damage to your character

THANK you. Hopefully someone else adding to my statement will get gaxpar to stop pushing what they are trying to say.