Fred and cascading feats.

[jetster11]

Allow Players to Use Fred to remove an entire line of feats that require prerequisites like when a feat is removed by the developers. The current is too tedious, time consuming , and punitive to someone that decides a character is just not viable but was 90% built correctly but the mechanics for a specific feat line are just not comparable. This traps WAY too Many newer players into a build at upper heroics and low epics that they just give up instead of begging others to nurse them through getting TR Tokens of twelve or having to run old quests at EN for 33 token fragments.

The most obvious example would be a player decides that it would be cool to make a two weapon dwarven axe (or any two weapon build other than vistani or tempest ranger) build.

They have to do power attack --> Cleave-> Great Cleave and Two Weapon Fighting -> Improved Two Weapon Fighting -> Greater Two Weapon Fighting -> Perfect Two Weapon Fighting. At this time they realize that the strikethrough changes to THF make it unbelievably better for play. They want to change the buiid to a THF.

They don't want to spend a money buying a lesser heart of Wood.

They have to have a bunch of Flawless Eberron Dragonshards and remove GTWF and fill it with a junk feat, wait three days, then remove ITWF fill it with a junk feat, wait three days, remove TWF and replace it with THF, wait three days, remove the junk feat used to replace ITWF and replace with ITHF, wait three days, remove the junk feat used to replace GTWF and replace with GTHF.

This would take 12 days, require 5 flawless shards.

More likely the person would retire the character, delete the character, stop playing the game and/ or delete the account.

It should be possible to just grab the THF feat and release all the prerequisite feats at the same time requiring the person to chose a new feat for theswe released feats at each of these levels before logging off, starting with the lowest level.

There are other situations where this cascading prerequisites cause all kinds of problems, but his was the most obvious to me.

[Tobril]

Allow Players to Use Fred to remove an entire line of feats that require prerequisites like when a feat is removed by the developers. The current is too tedious, time consuming , and punitive to someone that decides a character is just not viable but was 90% built correctly but the mechanics for a specific feat line are just not comparable. This traps WAY too Many newer players into a build at upper heroics and low epics that they just give up instead of begging others to nurse them through getting TR Tokens of twelve or having to run old quests at EN for 33 token fragments.

The most obvious example would be a player decides that it would be cool to make a two weapon dwarven axe (or any two weapon build other than vistani or tempest ranger) build.

They have to do power attack --> Cleave-> Great Cleave and Two Weapon Fighting -> Improved Two Weapon Fighting -> Greater Two Weapon Fighting -> Perfect Two Weapon Fighting. At this time they realize that the strikethrough changes to THF make it unbelievably better for play. They want to change the buiid to a THF.

They don't want to spend a money buying a lesser heart of Wood.

They have to have a bunch of Flawless Eberron Dragonshards and remove GTWF and fill it with a junk feat, wait three days, then remove ITWF fill it with a junk feat, wait three days, remove TWF and replace it with THF, wait three days, remove the junk feat used to replace ITWF and replace with ITHF, wait three days, remove the junk feat used to replace GTWF and replace with GTHF.

This would take 12 days, require 5 flawless shards.

More likely the person would retire the character, delete the character, stop playing the game and/ or delete the account.

It should be possible to just grab the THF feat and release all the prerequisite feats at the same time requiring the person to chose a new feat for theswe released feats at each of these levels before logging off, starting with the lowest level.

There are other situations where this cascading prerequisites cause all kinds of problems, but his was the most obvious to me.

A nicer way to respec would be welcome.

[Smokewolf]

Try using a build planner or a well known build. This is what most are doing and why respec’ing isn’t really a thing anymore.

Besides, in the “12 days” it takes you to respec, you could of caped 20 and performed a normal TR.

-Smoke

[mikarddo]

Free respec of all feats rather than just one free each life would be nice.
Wont happen though as sales of LR hearts would suffer.

[Tsutti]

Try using a build planner or a well known build. This is what most are doing and why respec’ing isn’t really a thing anymore.

Besides, in the “12 days” it takes you to respec, you could of caped 20 and performed a normal TR.

-Smoke

Doesn't work very well for the specific scenario he described. A new player almost certainly doesn't know about build planners and likely hasn't found the forums or any other source of established builds by the time they've made a character and tried the game a bit. Some new players group and ask for help and whatnot, some just want to solo (or don't even know how to group). The latter will struggle to actually TR if they even hit 20, assuming they figure out how to TR.

Or occasionally you have an old character you want to mess with, it sounds like, and maybe don't want to spend the time TRing, idk. Usually your suggestion works fine, but there are times it might not.

[Smokewolf]

Your forgetting that the Resp problem is just another way the game is monetized. Thus changing it is not likely to happen without impacting that revenue stream.

So, Is it a shame that newer players often get caught in this trap, sure. Yet another way to think about it would be, is it avoidable “if” only newer players educated themselves? After all, the resources are all online and freely available to anyone willing to use and abuse Google.

-Smoke

[Seph1roth5]

I took a break from the game for a few years ~2012-2017, and a lot of stuff changed while I was gone. When I came back, most of my guys had a few free hearts of woods on them.

In the end, I decided I'd rather get them to 30 to see if I still liked them, then etr them back to 20. I had to use a HoW for a few completely broken ones like cleric though lol, didn't want to be domainless.

I think etr is much easier than doing a billion feat respecs. 2 is my limit for if I messed up (usually a stat just a bit too low for feats I forgot had pre reqs). One from fred and one from the marketplace quest. If it's still messed up after that they're stuck til tr lol.