LR +20 hearts coming for all character with sorc and alchemist levels please???

[redoubt]

Please?

[ggmarquez]

Please?

they didn't give me a +20 for each of my characters that wasn't a sorc or an alcy before... why should my sorc's or alch's get one now?

but really, alchemist will still be strognhk. relax a bit.

[J1NG]

If I were to hazzard a guess, the timing of Lamannia would lead the release into CNY and DDO Anniversary, meaning we get the more rare sales come up in the DDO Store. So if you're after a +20 LR Heart, that'll be when the Devs makes it available.

And because of the timing of both the changes to Alchemist and Sorceror and those event times are around the same, no free ones will be offered. But the +20's will be in the store. That's how historically I've seen it work.

The asking for a free one wouldn't work here as the classes still work as they do, and nothing new technically that requires a reset to function was added so no Free Hearts will be passed out. That has been tried before in a similar situation a year or so back for something even more closely related to a technical change but was declined - and we only asked for a normal LR Heart (and ended up causing an issue or two which could have been avoided if that LR Heart was given). So asking for a sale, will yield some results. Asking for a free Heart when it won't qualify (like the last few times it was given freely) and it is extremely unlikely to happen.

J1NG

[SiliconScout]

Highly doubt this will be happening and I am not sure I agree that it should be happening. The mechanics and trees of the classes remain fully intact. Their power levels will decrease certainly but how you play an alchemist post update won't be much different than how you play one now it will just take longer to chew through the mobs.

In the past they have granted hearts when the changes were fundamental changes to how the class played or it's core mechanics worked. That's just not the case here.

[redoubt]

Highly doubt this will be happening and I am not sure I agree that it should be happening. The mechanics and trees of the classes remain fully intact. Their power levels will decrease certainly but how you play an alchemist post update won't be much different than how you play one now it will just take longer to chew through the mobs.

In the past they have granted hearts when the changes were fundamental changes to how the class played or it's core mechanics worked. That's just not the case here.

Its the 55% cut in power that has me asking. To say that they will play "differently" is an understatement.

[kanordog]

So asking for a sale, will yield some results.

I will surely not spend a penny to redo a character that I did not mess up.
If my build is bad because I made the wrong choice(s), yes but why would I give money to those who made it worse? It's like paying someone to kick me in the shin, how does that sound?

[slarden]

I will surely not spend a penny to redo a character that I did not mess up.
If my build is bad because I made the wrong choice(s), yes but why would I give money to those who made it worse? It's like paying someone to kick me in the shin, how does that sound?

Agreed, this is all about forcing people to respec, anyone that pays money to do that is enabling this and will encourage more releases like this in the future whenever they need a cash infusion.

There is no way any rational person can make the case that warlock dps needs to be nerfed at end game when it's been garbage tier since 2 nerfs ago.

[dennisck2]

/signed.

[SiliconScout]

Its the 55% cut in power that has me asking. To say that they will play "differently" is an understatement.

but they won't really. You will still throw the same spells in very close to the same order you just may have to throw more of them.

It's not like Alchemists are now some sort of a melee half caster tank build or have their alchemical spells only as non-self buffs, they haven't even really changed the trees baring the spell power changes of course. On the whole an Alchemist today will play, gear and look much like the alchemist after the changes. They will somewhat substantially less damage for sure but again they won't play different they will just be a little harder.

Now that said many many times my alchemist far overkilled the trash in the room so I expect that it will still 1 shot clear trash in many, many rooms still.

[SiliconScout]

Agreed, this is all about forcing people to respec, anyone that pays money to do that is enabling this and will encourage more releases like this in the future whenever they need a cash infusion.

There is no way any rational person can make the case that warlock dps needs to be nerfed at end game when it's been garbage tier since 2 nerfs ago.

But how are you forced to respec? The only difference is that they may not be the kings AoE trash clearing anymore as a bombadier. My halfling vistani alchemist thrower will be almost completely unaffected. my bombadier should still be strong just let LOLstompy.

If it's "I don't wanna play an alchemist anymore and want to be a Paladin instead" then you can, it's called a TR or you can buy the heart(s) you need. There is nothing forcing any sort of fundamental game play change, it's really just less DPS.

[slarden]

But how are you forced to respec? The only difference is that they may not be the kings AoE trash clearing anymore as a bombadier. My halfling vistani alchemist thrower will be almost completely unaffected. my bombadier should still be strong just let LOLstompy.

If it's "I don't wanna play an alchemist anymore and want to be a Paladin instead" then you can, it's called a TR or you can buy the heart(s) you need. There is nothing forcing any sort of fundamental game play change, it's really just less DPS.

Easy to say when your build wasn't impacted.

My warlock which didn't even have good enough dps to bring to raids just got weaker. No point fighting devs that don't have a clue about end-game dps - I am going to tr to something else as a direct result of an unnecessary dps nerf on a build that was already nerfed hard and didn't need another nerf. Bombadier is a getting a nerf and some buffs. Warlocks get just a nerf.

[ggmarquez]

Warlocks get just a nerf.

but in reality it was a relative buff. and i keep one capped warlock on main account, 5 on the 'lock account, and a handful of others for situational use. apparently they felt warlock dps was in the narrow margin where no direct buff/nerf was needed this time around. and i'm inclined to agree.

[slarden]

but in reality it was a relative buff. and i keep one capped warlock on main account, 5 on the 'lock account, and a handful of others for situational use. apparently they felt warlock dps was in the narrow margin where no direct buff/nerf was needed this time around. and i'm inclined to agree.

The reality is I haven't seen a warlock in a non-shroud end-game raid in several weeks. There is a reason why others and I are not bringing warlocks to raids where we need our "A" game and it's all about garbage-dps.


This is simple math really.

[redoubt]

but they won't really. You will still throw the same spells in very close to the same order you just may have to throw more of them.

It's not like Alchemists are now some sort of a melee half caster tank build or have their alchemical spells only as non-self buffs, they haven't even really changed the trees baring the spell power changes of course. On the whole an Alchemist today will play, gear and look much like the alchemist after the changes. They will somewhat substantially less damage for sure but again they won't play different they will just be a little harder.

Now that said many many times my alchemist far overkilled the trash in the room so I expect that it will still 1 shot clear trash in many, many rooms still.

Because they are a glass cannon now. When you take away they cannon they are nothing but a sole stone...

[Antheal]

Was there a situation a few years back where hearts were given to everyone? Were they +x hearts?

What were the circumstances around that?

[ChaosxBuddha]

AnarchyJesus die for ssg's sin, his words must live on -

im done im done done this is the last time i put my heart and soul in to building a toon and have it smashed in to nothing, i will never feel safe to do that in this game again. seen a lot of friends come and go over the years, for those who still having fun more power to you.

**** your stupid nerfing bait and switch way ssg. now hurry up and ban me u ****ing **** eating ***** pieces of trash goblin sharks, u assless ****less dudes, ****ing tardmandu.

ps: yo mama fat and ugly

[J1NG]

Was there a situation a few years back where hearts were given to everyone? Were they +x hearts?

What were the circumstances around that?

The first time was when Enhancements were overhauled to their current Tree fashion from the old system. A full "technical" change happened there. So to mitigate any issues, they needed to fully allow players to LR, especially out of builds that were "sort of" working with the old Enhancement system, to not working at all like it used to, in the new Tree system.

Then there was a Divine pass, that added a lot of changes, to Clerics primarily, Domains, etc. Which couldn't be added retroactively. This also needed a LR, but I believe it was only a normal LR provided, but may have been a 20 for those who wanted to go from Cleric to FvS and back. Again, a full "technical" issue was involved.

There was probably another one as well that I'm forgetting.

But this here? Not even technical related. So won't get a Free heart.

J1NG

[Chai]

The reality is I haven't seen a warlock in a non-shroud end-game raid in several weeks. There is a reason why others and I are not bringing warlocks to raids where we need our "A" game and it's all about garbage-dps.


This is simple math really.

I dont see many either.

What I do see is some folks who demanded warlock nerfs now going full sad-panda mode about alc/sorc nerfs.

At some point the nerf roulette some justify when its not pointed at their build visits what they favor as well.

[Chai]

The first time was when Enhancements were overhauled to their current Tree fashion from the old system. A full "technical" change happened there. So to mitigate any issues, they needed to fully allow players to LR, especially out of builds that were "sort of" working with the old Enhancement system, to not working at all like it used to, in the new Tree system.

Then there was a Divine pass, that added a lot of changes, to Clerics primarily, Domains, etc. Which couldn't be added retroactively. This also needed a LR, but I believe it was only a normal LR provided, but may have been a 20 for those who wanted to go from Cleric to FvS and back. Again, a full "technical" issue was involved.

There was probably another one as well that I'm forgetting.

But this here? Not even technical related. So won't get a Free heart.

J1NG

Yeap. What did inquis get? -20% off top before they even touched the class itself, the multiple dice subtracted from the class. Heroic leveling weapon nerfed crit threat. No heart. I wouldn't expect one here either.

[Antheal]

Then there was a Divine pass, that added a lot of changes, to Clerics primarily, Domains, etc. Which couldn't be added retroactively. This also needed a LR, but I believe it was only a normal LR provided, but may have been a 20 for those who wanted to go from Cleric to FvS and back. Again, a full "technical" issue was involved.

Oh yes! How could I forget Cleric Domains? I remember asking for those to happen multiple times in the old days. :-)

(LOL I just checked, and I made three different threads about them back in 2012. Just call me Cassandra.)