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    Default The Red wizard Raider

    Saw the threads and 100 percent agreed with slard wizards are almost as horrible as bow rangers for raids so i came up with this

    Red wizard raider if we ever do get a **** AM pass or Necro master if u prefer any raid where necro does work

    I do love Mino raping time

    Only dif is we are getting monk changes round 2 or 3 and a bow tree go figure

    Preferred race Tiefling for stripping or Dragon born more cls why not maybe theyll fix unholy avatar to not be useless right boths sides covered

    Tested on a deep gnome cuz i aint trin poe 2s coming so if fey raid don't got a single **** caster item im breakin when i cant even get a 2 autumn set cuz its so fn bad we got problems

    And that is the caster set so raid better have something i even tried the gloves op yes n the hat and still lose so meh

    Capstone pm then 15 points in am rest in ek works off 2 gear sets dread for any necro bosses or fvs fury with fey glory gloves

    The spell power raid augs will stack but not if there augd in the sets your using when all raids are reds and reds are immune to helpless f it

    Epic feat required MOK cause all the master feats are useless less your an alch dont do anything there broken junk

    With 2 dominion set necro fire gets u 90 to 155 crit multipliers with mok then u can boost to 200 + multiplier and 90 spell power +

    Stygian wrath orb or ALCH fire int 2 fire augmentation clubs cuz everyone uses ash on raids so redundant more cls more dps

    Necro bosses 90 - 100 crits or Alch club for construct bosses

    Tested in shroud worked ok on portals depending on how bad the lag was had over

    1500 necro power 1600 + if i went all in with empower n intensify n boosts
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    Can anyone translate this please? Not being snarky. Legit have no idea what is being said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dennisck2 View Post
    Can anyone translate this please? Not being snarky. Legit have no idea what is being said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dennisck2 View Post
    Can anyone translate this please? Not being snarky. Legit have no idea what is being said.
    I'll pass along what I've understood.

    Threads = Forum posts
    Slard = Slarden (forum name)

    Recently he posted that DC casters don't have much application in lower difficulty raiding (couldn't find the post).
    So the purpose of the post is to suggest a pure wizard that is able to apply more DPS for raids rather than just DC cast.
    The rest of the post describes the build, troubles with caster Feywild gearing, and testing.

    MOK = Master of Knowledge = used to build up spell crit damage
    Correct me if I'm wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennisck2 View Post
    Can anyone translate this please? Not being snarky. Legit have no idea what is being said.
    I'll do my best.

    "Saw the threads and 100 percent agreed that sla wizards are almost as horrible as bow rangers for raids. So I came up with this

    Red wizard raider. if we ever do get a **** Archmage pass or Necro master if u prefer any raid where necro does work

    I do love Mino raping time

    Only difference is we are getting monk changes round 2 or 3 and a bow tree. Go figure

    Preferred race is Tiefling for stripping immunity, or Dragon born. More caster levels, why not? Maybe they'll fix unholy avatar to not be useless, right? boths sides covered.

    Tested on a deep gnome cuz i aint trin poe 2s coming. so if feywild raid don't got a single **** caster item I'm breaking. when i cant even get a 2 autumn set cuz its so f***n bad, we got problems

    And that is the caster set so raid better have something. I even tried the gloves op. yes and the hat and I still lose so meh

    Capstone pale master then 15 points in archmage rest in eldritch knight. works off 2 gear sets: dreadkeeper for any necro bosses or fvs fury with fey glory gloves

    The spell power raid augments will stack but not if they're augmented in the sets you're using. When all raids bosses are red named and red names are immune to helpless f** it.

    Epic feat required Master of knowledge cause all the master feats are useless unless you're an alch. They dont do anything, the'yre broken junk

    With 2 dominion set necro fire gets u 90 to 155 crit multipliers with master of knowledge then u can boost to 200 + multiplier and 90 spell power +

    Stygian wrath orb or Alchemical fire/int 2/fire augmentation clubs cuz everyone uses LGS Ash on raids so redundant. More caster levels, more dps

    Necro bosses 90 - 100 crits or Alchemical club for construct bosses

    Tested in shroud, worked ok on portals depending on how bad the lag was had over

    1500 necro power 1600 + if i went all in with empower and intensify and boosts"

    It's not perfect because there were some sections I didn't understand either but I really got a kick out of the way he expressed things xD. Anyway, he's using a Wizard build that is somewhat decent vs endgame red named bosses. That's more or less what's going on.

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    Red nameds and constructs are the bane of all traditional caster classes at cap

    being immune to helpless and almost all cc when you have no tools to over come the challenge

    Time to get creative or just tr to a pally
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr420247 View Post
    Saw the threads and 100 percent agreed with slard wizards are almost as horrible as bow rangers for raids so i came up with this

    Red wizard raider if we ever do get a **** AM pass or Necro master if u prefer any raid where necro does work

    I do love Mino raping time

    Only dif is we are getting monk changes round 2 or 3 and a bow tree go figure

    Preferred race Tiefling for stripping or Dragon born more cls why not maybe theyll fix unholy avatar to not be useless right boths sides covered

    Tested on a deep gnome cuz i aint trin poe 2s coming so if fey raid don't got a single **** caster item im breakin when i cant even get a 2 autumn set cuz its so fn bad we got problems

    And that is the caster set so raid better have something i even tried the gloves op yes n the hat and still lose so meh

    Capstone pm then 15 points in am rest in ek works off 2 gear sets dread for any necro bosses or fvs fury with fey glory gloves

    The spell power raid augs will stack but not if there augd in the sets your using when all raids are reds and reds are immune to helpless f it

    Epic feat required MOK cause all the master feats are useless less your an alch dont do anything there broken junk

    With 2 dominion set necro fire gets u 90 to 155 crit multipliers with mok then u can boost to 200 + multiplier and 90 spell power +

    Stygian wrath orb or ALCH fire int 2 fire augmentation clubs cuz everyone uses ash on raids so redundant more cls more dps

    Necro bosses 90 - 100 crits or Alch club for construct bosses

    Tested in shroud worked ok on portals depending on how bad the lag was had over

    1500 necro power 1600 + if i went all in with empower n intensify n boosts
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr420247 View Post
    Saw the threads and 100 percent agreed with slard wizards are almost as horrible as bow rangers for raids so i came up with this

    Red wizard raider if we ever do get a **** AM pass or Necro master if u prefer any raid where necro does work

    I do love Mino raping time

    Only dif is we are getting monk changes round 2 or 3 and a bow tree go figure

    Preferred race Tiefling for stripping or Dragon born more cls why not maybe theyll fix unholy avatar to not be useless right boths sides covered

    Tested on a deep gnome cuz i aint trin poe 2s coming so if fey raid don't got a single **** caster item im breakin when i cant even get a 2 autumn set cuz its so fn bad we got problems

    And that is the caster set so raid better have something i even tried the gloves op yes n the hat and still lose so meh

    Capstone pm then 15 points in am rest in ek works off 2 gear sets dread for any necro bosses or fvs fury with fey glory gloves

    The spell power raid augs will stack but not if there augd in the sets your using when all raids are reds and reds are immune to helpless f it

    Epic feat required MOK cause all the master feats are useless less your an alch dont do anything there broken junk

    With 2 dominion set necro fire gets u 90 to 155 crit multipliers with mok then u can boost to 200 + multiplier and 90 spell power +

    Stygian wrath orb or ALCH fire int 2 fire augmentation clubs cuz everyone uses ash on raids so redundant more cls more dps

    Necro bosses 90 - 100 crits or Alch club for construct bosses

    Tested in shroud worked ok on portals depending on how bad the lag was had over

    1500 necro power 1600 + if i went all in with empower n intensify n boosts
    What? Less home made acronyms and spelling mistakes and more English please.

    Tested on a deep gnome cuz i aint trin poe 2s coming
    Tested, Deep Gnome, gibberish.

    Whatever you're asking for, until we get a proper post, I say no, not signed.

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    DC casting is in a strange place because it's probably more skill-based than it's ever been with so many enemies immune to instakill and a high range of saves across each save type. A caster really needs to know what enemies to target with what spells and make those decisions very fast which makes the archtype very fun to play.

    On the other hand many things in the game have marginalized DC casting:

    1) Procs like LGS SALT always work with a short timer so blasting builds can just blast away while getting effective CC from procs.
    2) DPS in general is up significantly which means groups can plow through content fast even on higher skulls. Whenever this occurs DC casting is needed less and is often considered a negative because the cost of building an effective DC character usually means giving up DPS.
    3) In general most of the recent raids are dps tests and run on significantly lower difficulties.

    Elaborating on the last point THTH is often run on LN or LH and there is a role for cc and instakill, but since the difficulty is low DC casters that build for R10 aren't needed. It's more effective to have a DPS sorc with 25 lower DCs handle the task since LN and LH saves are easy to overcome.

    VOD is a raid with a role for cc and instakill, but again DC requirements for the raid are low enough that a DPS caster can handle the job - so why accept a low DPS DC caster for an EH raid when all anyone wants to do is finish fast?

    There is really no role for DC casting in Lord of Blades or Master Artificer.

    So looking at the legendary feat and destiny (magister vs. draconic) a DPS caster gains 85% critical damage boost and a DC caster gains 13 DC from magister and the legendary feat. If you are building for raids R1 and below I think a DPS build is more effective for raids because an accomplished character can hit the LN, LH, E, R1 DC requirements on a DPS build.

    If someone does have DC caster and wants to raid - my suggestion is that they have a 2nd set of gear, ED, Enhancement Setup for raiding. A wizard can spec in archmage.

    As an example, my illusionist wizard in my sig can drop 4 feats for empower, maximize, ruin, greater ruin and still have a 150 illusion DC. I would rather have 154 for certain reaper quests, but it's not every enemy where that matters even in the quests where 150-154 makes a difference. Swapping into Draconic gives me 60 of the 85 spell crit damage and I could potentially swap into a 4-piece LGS set as part of my gear swap. I won't have the damage of a sorc, but I will significantly increase my wizard damage and even with a lower DC I can still overcome all saves in the raid. Also bring debuffers and make sure the leader knows you are doing that - it will be appreciated if you can boost all other party members dps.

    Not ideal, but reality is you need to boost dps on your DC caster for raids - even LH raids where bosses have over 8 MM hp.

    The only thing that rubs me the wrong way is when people come on the forums and call for instakill nerfs considering how marginalized DC casters have become. They are obviously a person that never played a DC caster - esp clear when they make comments about how DC casters are rofl stomping dungeons instakilling 100% of mobs no-fail. That is a laugh.
    Last edited by slarden; 02-07-2021 at 09:01 AM.
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    This update looks horrible so bad lmao

    Sorcs the only class to get the hammer from orbit before ever even getting a tree pass

    When your only options are dc or tank thanks but no thanks time to find a new game

    These nerfs go through unless they over haul epic casting and eds and feats don't bother
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