endgame Handrwaps comparisons

[Nickodeamous]

Hey guys,

Ive been looking at the Handwraps of the Hound since Legendary VOD came out. Has anybody actually got these/purcahsed with raid runes? And if so, how do you like them in comparison to Duality or Fetters? I have both Fetters and Duality, and mostly use fetters as a debuffer before switching to a superior DPS handwrap in duality. At first glance, it seems like the Hound wraps are probably solid at handling mobs due to the sov vorpal, but I'd like to see if there are any folks out there that actually use them?

Thanks,
Nico

[Meat-Head]

Hey guys,

Ive been looking at the Handwraps of the Hound since Legendary VOD came out. Has anybody actually got these/purcahsed with raid runes? And if so, how do you like them in comparison to Duality or Fetters? I have both Fetters and Duality, and mostly use fetters as a debuffer before switching to a superior DPS handwrap in duality. At first glance, it seems like the Hound wraps are probably solid at handling mobs due to the sov vorpal, but I'd like to see if there are any folks out there that actually use them?

Thanks,
Nico

The first problem is that your potential audience for this question is like 10 people since hardly anyone runs endgame HW monks atm--unfortunately--due to the MRR problem. But, my understanding is that what you're already doing is correct. The Hound wraps might be better for trash mobs. Message Pinc and ask him. Besides you, he's literally the only endgame monk player I know of on Khyber.. :/

[Arkat]

I pretty much use Jade Strike to debuff and just use Duality to DPS.

The Handwraps of the Hound would only make sense on a build (like maybe a Razorclaw Shifter Barb) that uses both the Fang of Xyzzy and the Handwraps of the Hound.

[Nickodeamous]

The first problem is that your potential audience for this question is like 10 people since hardly anyone runs endgame HW monks atm--unfortunately--due to the MRR problem. But, my understanding is that what you're already doing is correct. The Hound wraps might be better for trash mobs. Message Pinc and ask him. Besides you, he's literally the only endgame monk player I know of on Khyber.. :/

Yeah, I hear ya. I'll talk to Pinc in game, but my first thought is it is a flavor wrap only (maybe good for trash I guess). I've been holding runes for a while and have quite a bit to buy them, but I'm not gonna waste them on something that's a flavor wrap.

[Nickodeamous]

I pretty much use Jade Strike to debuff and just use Duality to DPS.

The Handwraps of the Hound would only make sense on a build (like maybe a Razorclaw Shifter Barb) that uses both the Fang of Xyzzy and the Handwraps of the Hound.

Its funny, I have jade strike, but hardly use it. I probably should use this. Its one of my easily accessible hotkeys. hey, while we are talking about this, does this work on rednames??? Just curious.

thanks,
Nico

[Arkat]

Its funny, I have jade strike, but hardly use it. I probably should use this. Its one of my easily accessible hotkeys. hey, while we are talking about this, does this work on rednames??? Just curious.

The debuff part does. The Tomb of Jade part doesn't.

[Nickodeamous]

The debuff part does. The Tomb of Jade part doesn't.

Hey, I learn something new every day! Thanks for the tip...I guess I just forgot about that 10% debuff. that's solid!!

[DrawingGuy]

I'm sad you didn't know about Jade Strike. Note that the debuff double stacks on undead and extraplanars, so it is particularly amazing in quests like KT. I had planned on finally getting around to my handwrap monk thread once I hit cap, as there are many other important combos, debuffs, and attacks, but with the rumored monk changes, I'm hesitant to spend all those hours putting it together only to have it thrown out the window shortly.

In regards to weapons, the newer raid wraps are all that matters - everything else is just junk to hold you over until you get raid wraps.

Duality, the Moral Compass - These wraps provide the strongest base damage of all the wraps along with enhanced Ki +3. If you do not have another source of enhanced Ki, these wraps essentially are locked as your 24/7 wraps.

Fetters of the Forgewraith - These wraps showed so much promise, but the garbage proc rate of Cursed Maelstrom relegated these to just vuln stackers. If you have no other source of Vulnerability, then these will be a better source of DPS than Duality. If you do, these serve no purpose other than helping quick stack to 20 on a boss.

Handwraps of the Hound - These wraps are pretty solid. Throw in two acid proc augments and maybe splash in 2AP into Henshin for Porous Soul, and against targets that are not immune/resistant to acid, these are competitive DPS too. Sovereign Nightmares is a nice proc too. However these wraps have a critical flaw for me - I currently can't fit Enhanced Ki into my gear setup, and being able to spam Quivering Palm is superior to the proc of these wraps. However even though I do not use these wraps regularly, they still also have a nice tool: Pierce bypass. There isn't much that calls for that, the Rakshasa in Legendary Shroud being one place, but still a good thing to have in your back pocket. Means you can feed your Platinum Knuckles and pretend they never existed if you were using those as your bypass. Still wish they listened to my suggestions for those wraps, but oh well.


Depending on how the upcoming raid trinket gets finalized, I may fold that in and open up my wraps for things like Hound wraps. Though the upcoming wraps also look interesting, and if the proc rates are solid, may be better for trash. We will see... in any case, I would carry those three wraps with you. Hound for Pierce bypass, Fetters for Vuln stacking, Duality for everything else.

[Nickodeamous]

I'm sad you didn't know about Jade Strike. Note that the debuff double stacks on undead and extraplanars, so it is particularly amazing in quests like KT. I had planned on finally getting around to my handwrap monk thread once I hit cap, as there are many other important combos, debuffs, and attacks, but with the rumored monk changes, I'm hesitant to spend all those hours putting it together only to have it thrown out the window shortly.

In regards to weapons, the newer raid wraps are all that matters - everything else is just junk to hold you over until you get raid wraps.

Duality, the Moral Compass - These wraps provide the strongest base damage of all the wraps along with enhanced Ki +3. If you do not have another source of enhanced Ki, these wraps essentially are locked as your 24/7 wraps.

Fetters of the Forgewraith - These wraps showed so much promise, but the garbage proc rate of Cursed Maelstrom relegated these to just vuln stackers. If you have no other source of Vulnerability, then these will be a better source of DPS than Duality. If you do, these serve no purpose other than helping quick stack to 20 on a boss.

Handwraps of the Hound - These wraps are pretty solid. Throw in two acid proc augments and maybe splash in 2AP into Henshin for Porous Soul, and against targets that are not immune/resistant to acid, these are competitive DPS too. Sovereign Nightmares is a nice proc too. However these wraps have a critical flaw for me - I currently can't fit Enhanced Ki into my gear setup, and being able to spam Quivering Palm is superior to the proc of these wraps. However even though I do not use these wraps regularly, they still also have a nice tool: Pierce bypass. There isn't much that calls for that, the Rakshasa in Legendary Shroud being one place, but still a good thing to have in your back pocket. Means you can feed your Platinum Knuckles and pretend they never existed if you were using those as your bypass. Still wish they listened to my suggestions for those wraps, but oh well.


Depending on how the upcoming raid trinket gets finalized, I may fold that in and open up my wraps for things like Hound wraps. Though the upcoming wraps also look interesting, and if the proc rates are solid, may be better for trash. We will see... in any case, I would carry those three wraps with you. Hound for Pierce bypass, Fetters for Vuln stacking, Duality for everything else.

Yeah, for some reason, i only keyed in on jade strike for the fortification debuff (just overlooked the damage) and i dont know why. I always use tomb of jade, but like i said, jade strike is already hotkeyed, so last night i started using it religiously, and it was def nice.

Im not gonna lie, i am a bit nervous over the potential monk changes. I sincerely hope that WWA double hit nerf is not true. I saw your response in the other thread and i agree with you.

As for wraps, my boss combo is actaully this: LGS dust for the -35MRR, followed by Fetters for the faster vuln stacks, followed by Duality, which has deconstructor and endless night (plus shat device). I missed on getting the hound wraps past night via a bad d100 roll. Lol. Anyway, totally agree with your assesment.

Thanks Pinc! Seeya ingame
Nico

[Kodwraith]

Nico,
Lemme know what you find out, I'm gonna do one or two more iconic lives then head back to monk to stay at cap for a bit.

[Logicman69]

I grabbed a set of the hound wraps a week ago, but still have not built them up yet. I am afraid that they may be just "situational" wraps that will eventually just be left in the bag (kinda like Ivy Wraps or Grave Wrappings). I did do some quick testing on them and they are fun for trash. I am currently running Morninglord Wraps slotted with deconstructor (no Duality for me yet) as my general purpose wraps. I find those are good "everyday" wraps that work in all situations. The less swapping I have to do, the better .

[Nickodeamous]

Nico,
Lemme know what you find out, I'm gonna do one or two more iconic lives then head back to monk to stay at cap for a bit.

Sure thing Kodwraith. I hope I can pull them vs. buy with runes. I'm gonna stay at cap at least until I can get a few more strahd raids in for my 3 piece +20 MRR cap aug set.

take care,
Nico

[Havocthedemon]

Sure thing Kodwraith. I hope I can pull them vs. buy with runes. I'm gonna stay at cap at least until I can get a few more strahd raids in for my 3 piece +20 MRR cap aug set.

take care,
Nico

I haven’t tried the Hound Wraps but I’m guessing they aren’t going to beat Duality for main. I just ETR’d out of wraps to try Henshin bc I couldn’t resist my curiosity. I’m thinking the attack speed will be about the same but with x3 dmg mod and Strike through might make it better. Will let you know how stick compares to wraps endgame.