15% Melee Alacrity good as it gets.....

[Graceunderpressure]

After reading about this on and off for past 6 months this is the conclusion I have come to.

Every post I've read on anything stacking after testing seems to add up to Nada.(1-2% increase)

Really makes you wonder why there's a feat called "Blinding Speed"!? lol (if it does zippo to the 15% Melee you already have)

LMK if I'm missing something cause early on I swore I read 40-60% was possible, but thinking that was nerf'd out of game before I started playing.

[Dragavon]

Blinding speed is good for ranged, as it gives 22% speed increase for ranged. It also used to be a useful option if you struggled to fit a speed item to your gear. Today that is not an issue as you can use a topaz of swiftness from lvl 20.

But 15% for melee was always as good as it got as far as I remember. I could be wrong on that though

[kanordog]

After reading about this on and off for past 6 months this is the conclusion I have come to.

Every post I've read on anything stacking after testing seems to add up to Nada.(1-2% increase)

Really makes you wonder why there's a feat called "Blinding Speed"!? lol (if it does zippo to the 15% Melee you already have)

LMK if I'm missing something cause early on I swore I read 40-60% was possible, but thinking that was nerf'd out of game before I started playing.

Single weapon fighting line gives a stacking +30% so the max is 45%
Only one handed (and h&half) weapons without shield or other weapon in off hand.

Vanguard enhancement tree also can give extra 20% to make 35% with shields for a heavy AP investment.
The two can not be combined in any way.

[Lupito]

For melee : the best you can get is +15% from an item or haste spell, single weapon fighting feats provide much more(the only combat style that boosts att speed) , and there is action boost that can give "+30% action boost to attack speed"

Ranged builds can also use blinding speed that grants 22% speed for ranged attacks instead of the standaed 15%.

I might also be missing various enchantments that give attack speed buffs but can't remember them all..

[SirValentine]

Really makes you wonder why there's a feat called "Blinding Speed"!? lol (if it does zippo to the 15% Melee you already have)

Well, at one time items with the same effect didn't drop like candy, and there wasn't an augment that gave it. Which reminds me that I need to do a feat respec on a melee that took that feat years ago when it was the best way to have the effect on all the time, which is no longer true.

[Marshal_Lannes]

Well, at one time items with the same effect didn't drop like candy, and there wasn't an augment that gave it. Which reminds me that I need to do a feat respec on a melee that took that feat years ago when it was the best way to have the effect on all the time, which is no longer true.

I like how the game has added augments to increase customization and flexibility. However, in cases like this, where an epic feat has largely been invalidated, it would be nice if the feat were reworked in a way to make it relevant. Seems like these changes could go hand in hand when made.

[droid327]

I like how the game has added augments to increase customization and flexibility. However, in cases like this, where an epic feat has largely been invalidated, it would be nice if the feat were reworked in a way to make it relevant. Seems like these changes could go hand in hand when made.

If perma haste made you immune to slow that'd be nice, especially in kelpie quests. I don't think that'd be too imbalanced either.

I think it does still grant +1 to hit 1% dodge and 2% extra run speed technically over a speed aug

[Graceunderpressure]

So is it a Real stacking effect? 30+15 = 45 melee alacrity?

And if so, how would that extra 30% compare to 15% dbl strike?

[Soulfurnace]

So is it a Real stacking effect? 30+15 = 45 melee alacrity?

And if so, how would that extra 30% compare to 15% dbl strike?

Haste is always better because it also double strikes. However, you should have near 100% doublestrike at 30 regardless, which is the max for doublestrike.

Don't forget haste boost for another 30%, or fatesinger for another 3%

[Graceunderpressure]

Haste is always better because it also double strikes. However, you should have near 100% doublestrike at 30 regardless, which is the max for doublestrike.

Don't forget haste boost for another 30%, or fatesinger for another 3%

I've never had haste increase my 15% melee alacrity and from everything l've read it doesn't stack which l think was covered in this thread?

If l can reach a sustainable 50% dbl strike by 1st life 30 l'll be happy. 100% sustainable l would love to see how that's done.

[Dragavon]

Haste is always better because it also double strikes.

What do you mean here? Haste does not give more doublestrike.

Doublestrike adds to all your attacks, it does not matter how you increase your attack speed.

[Elfishski]

Single weapon fighting line gives a stacking +30% so the max is 45%
Only one handed (and h&half) weapons without shield or other weapon in off hand.

If you really want max attack speed... use Shining Crescents, which count as sufficiently as a light weapon to be eligible for SWF, but sufficiently as a quarterstaff to be eligible for quarterstaff boosts. 60% base before a haste boost.

[noinfo]

What do you mean here? Haste does not give more doublestrike.

Doublestrike adds to all your attacks, it does not matter how you increase your attack speed.

I believe he is trying to say that faster attack speed by its nature already benefits from doublestrike

[noinfo]

I've never had haste increase my 15% melee alacrity and from everything l've read it doesn't stack which l think was covered in this thread?

If l can reach a sustainable 50% dbl strike by 1st life 30 l'll be happy. 100% sustainable l would love to see how that's done.

The enhancement haste boost stacks with haste.

[LurkingVeteran]

The enhancement haste boost stacks with haste.

In addition to those mentioned above, there are some weapon specific bonuses. Monk unarmed is natively 10% faster (while standing still) and TA/HM quarterstaff as well as Vistani dagger can get +10% or so from their enhancements.

Ranged throwers and bow users can also get a ton of attack speed, but it's capped at approx base melee speed, i.e. 86 attacks / min iirc.

[Graceunderpressure]

The enhancement haste boost stacks with haste.

Right, but AFAIK, neither stack with melee alacrity.

[kanordog]

Right, but AFAIK, neither stack with melee alacrity.

Hitting for 12 damage really fast worse than hitting for 200 at a slower rate.
You also have to calculate that.

[TedSandyman]

Right, but AFAIK, neither stack with melee alacrity.

The Haste Boost enhancement stacks with melee alacrity. The haste spell or potion does not stack with melee alacrity.

I have +3% for fatesinger and 15% Melee alacrity and when I use the Haste Boost Enhancement I get 48%.

[Graceunderpressure]

The Haste Boost enhancement stacks with melee alacrity. The haste spell or potion does not stack with melee alacrity.

I have +3% for fatesinger and 15% Melee alacrity and when I use the Haste Boost Enhancement I get 48%.

Nice! I did not know that, so another piece of the puzzle

[Coffey]

BAB increases melee attack speed at levels 1, 3, 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25. I dont think this formula has changed since MrCow laid out the math. I would be interested to know if the THF standing still attack speed increase buff works at all at BAB 25.

U45
The animation sets for non-Quarterstaff two handed styles have been reworked to address the following issues:
The last animation didn’t blend into the first correctly. It now does.
For balance and cosmetic reasons all attack animations for these styles should now execute in the same amount of time. Previously animations at the end of the attack chain took longer than those at the start. This encouraged players to animation break to avoid them, which looks repetitive and choppy.
Standing attack speed has been slightly buffed, mobile speed should be exactly the same.

After looking at my numbers for how long it takes attack animations to complete at various BAB points (especially the bow and throwing speeds), I do believe this fits the model. However, there are a couple corrections to how you currently have it:

• Increases to the melee animation times don't just happen at BAB 5, 10, 15, and 20. They also occur at BAB 1, 3, and 25.
• The multipliers are less than what you are currently guessing. The standard melee with weapons uses ~1.4% multiplier and the unarmed melee is using something around ~1.7% as a multiplier
  
  • Standard melee BAB 0: 80 * (1.014 ^ 0) = 80.00
  • Standard melee BAB 1: 80 * (1.014 ^ 1) = 81.12
  • Standard melee BAB 3: 80 * (1.014 ^ 2) = 82.26
  • Standard melee BAB 5: 80 * (1.014 ^ 3) = 83.41
  • Standard melee BAB 10: 80 * (1.014 ^ 4) = 84.57
  • Standard melee BAB 15: 80 * (1.014 ^ 5) = 85.75
  • Standard melee BAB 20: 80 * (1.014 ^ 6) = 86.96
  • Standard melee BAB 25: 80 * (1.014 ^ 7) = 88.17
    
  • Standard unarmed BAB 0: 85 * (1.017 ^ 0) = 85.00
  • Standard unarmed BAB 1: 85 * (1.017 ^ 1) = 86.44
  • Standard unarmed BAB 3: 85 * (1.017 ^ 2) = 87.91
  • Standard unarmed BAB 5: 85 * (1.017 ^ 3) = 89.41
  • Standard unarmed BAB 10: 85 * (1.017 ^ 4) = 90.93
  • Standard unarmed BAB 15: 85 * (1.017 ^ 5) = 92.47
  • Standard unarmed BAB 20: 85 * (1.017 ^ 6) = 94.05
  • Standard unarmed BAB 25: 85 * (1.017 ^ 7) = 95.65

Where I currently am, I don't have the numbers for ranged, but those go up for each point of BAB. If I get some time later today I'll toss them up (and possibly brawl-style unarmed).

Any haste or slow effects will also still cause a difference between the styles of Two-Weapon Fighting, Slow Two-Handed Fighting, Fast Two-Handed Fighting, Sword and Board, Unarmed, Bow, Thrown, and Crossbow. The percentage modifiers on how much haste/slow effects on them really take place are still adjusted due to the animations of each style.

Looks like a 10% increase overall at BAB 25. This doesnt add to the total melee attack speed on your character sheet though.