
Originally Posted by
Monkey_Archer
Ah, was about to run gear tetris but you did it for me

Bascally what I expected. More tanky, less crit damage.
Figured I should run the calcs on the hp difference.
Sorc U48 (see item build above)
Code:
Build U48 Sorc
Base 45
Barbarian 0
Fighter 0
Paladin 0
Monk 0
Cleric 0
Druid 0
Favored Soul 0
Ranger 0
Warlock 0
Artificier 0
Bard 0
Rogue 0
Wizard 0
Sorcerer 20
Alchemist 0
Epic 10
Total class 225
Constitution
Base + levels 18
Tome 8
Item 21
Insight 10
Profane 2
Quality 5
Stance/rage 2
Exceptional 1
Enhancements 0
Destiny 0
Other 0
Past lives 6
Buffs 0
Reaper 5
Total 78
Modifier to Hitpoints 1020
Feats
Toughness 2
Epic Toughness 1
Scion 0
Primal past life 12
Barb past life 3
Total 324
Enhancements
Racial 10
Class 35
Total 45
Misc
Draconic favor 10
False life 81
Vitality 20
Leg Greensteel 0
Airship 20
Filigree 0
Destiny 0
Other 0
Total 131
Reaper
Dread Advesary 0
Dire Thumaturge 41
Grim Barricade 41
Barricade core 1 10
Barricade core 2 20
Barricade core 4 100
Total 622
Percentage increases
Competence 0%
Insight 0%
Profane 0%
Quality 0%
Sacred 0%
Racial 0%
LGS 20%
Other 0%
Total 120%
PRR
Items
BAB 15
Armor Medium
Shield None/Buckler
PRR from armor 22.5
PRR from shield 0
Sheltering 54
Insightful 27
Quality 15
Profane 0
Artifact 20
Luck 0
Mythic 0
Reaper 22
Total 138.5
Feats
Rage 0
Natural Fighting 0
Shield Mastery Yes
Imp Shield Mastery Yes
Two weapon Defense 0
Past Life PDK 9
Past life Divine Sphere 36
Epic DR 10
Scion 10
Fighter feats 0
Total 65
Misc
Racial Enhancement 0
Class Enhancement 20
Stance 0
Destiny 0
Other 0
Total 20
Total PRR 223.5
Total Reaper PRR 245.5
Avoidability
Dodge
Base cap (max dex or 25) 8%
Racial 0%
Class 0%
Scion 0%
Monk Stance 0%
Guild Buffs 2%
Filigree 0%
Other 0%
Reaper 0%
Total 10%
Total Reaper 10%
Concealment
Displacement/Blurry 0%
Other 0%
Total 0%
Incorporeality
Item 0%
Form 0%
Other 0%
Total 0%
Other
Feat 0%
Other 0%
Total 0%
Total Evade Chance 10.00%
Total Evade Chance Reaper 10.00%
Extra DR
Barbarian DR 0%
Destiny 0%
Total 0.00%
Hitpoints 2094
Hitpoints Reaper 2840
Effective 1 hit HP 6774
Effective 1 hit HP Reaper 9814
Effective HP 7527
Effective HP Reaper 10904
Reaper points: 82
Past lives: all for survivability (12x primal, 12x divine, 3x pdk, 3x barb, all racial for con)
Reaper 1shot HP: 9814
EHP reaper: 10904
U47 4x LGS:
Code:
Hitpoints
Build Fire sorc
Base 45
Barbarian 0
Fighter 0
Paladin 0
Monk 0
Cleric 0
Druid 0
Favored Soul 0
Ranger 0
Warlock 0
Artificier 0
Bard 0
Rogue 0
Wizard 0
Sorcerer 20
Alchemist 0
Epic 10
Total class 225
Constitution
Base + levels 18
Tome 8
Item 21
Insight 10
Profane 2
Quality 0
Stance/rage 2
Exceptional 1
Enhancements 0
Destiny 0
Other 0
Past lives 1
Buffs 2
Reaper 5
Total 70
Modifier to Hitpoints 900
Feats
Toughness 2
Epic Toughness 1
Scion 0
Primal past life 12
Barb past life 3
Total 324
Enhancements
Racial 10
Class 35
Total 45
Misc
Draconic favor 10
False life 81
Vitality 20
Leg Greensteel 56
Airship 20
Filigree 0
Destiny 0
Other 0
Total 187
Reaper
Dread Advesary 0
Dire Thumaturge 41
Grim Barricade 41
Barricade core 1 10
Barricade core 2 20
Barricade core 4 100
Total 622
Percentage increases
Competence 0%
Insight 0%
Profane 0%
Quality 0%
Sacred 0%
Racial 0%
LGS 24%
Other 0%
Total 124%
PRR
Items
BAB 15
Armor Medium
Shield None/Buckler
PRR from armor 22.5
PRR from shield 0
Sheltering 54
Insightful 27
Quality 0
Profane 0
Artifact 0
Luck 0
Mythic 0
Reaper 22
Total 103.5
Feats
Rage 0
Natural Fighting 0
Shield Mastery No
Imp Shield Mastery No
Two weapon Defense 0
Past Life PDK 9
Past life Divine Sphere 36
Epic DR 10
Scion 10
Fighter feats 0
Total 65
Misc
Racial Enhancement 0
Class Enhancement 20
Stance 0
Destiny 0
Other 0
Total 20
Total PRR 188.5
Total Reaper PRR 210.5
Avoidability
Dodge
Base cap (max dex or 25) 8%
Racial 0%
Class 0%
Scion 0%
Monk Stance 0%
Guild Buffs 2%
Filigree 0%
Other 0%
Reaper 0%
Total 10%
Total Reaper 10%
Concealment
Displacement/Blurry 0%
Other 0%
Total 0%
Incorporeality
Item 0%
Form 0%
Other 0%
Total 0%
Other
Feat 0%
Other 0%
Total 0%
Total Evade Chance 10.00%
Total Evade Chance Reaper 10.00%
Hitpoints 2084
Hitpoints Reaper 2856
Effective 1 hit HP 6014
Effective 1 hit HP Reaper 8867
Effective HP 6682
Effective HP Reaper 9852
Reaper points: 82
Past lives: all for survivability (12x primal, 12x divine, 3x pdk, 3x barb, all racial for con)
Reaper 1shot HP: 8867
EHP reaper: 9852
Difference:
U48: 10.6% more 1hit HP
Damage difference to follow:
U47 sorc meteor fire dmg + EB dmg
Code:
Build Sorc Drac U47
Spell 1 Meteor Only Fire
Spell 2 Energy Burst
Spell power 14.89
Equipment bonus 202
Insight bonus 101
Quality Bonus 38
Implement 29
Enhancement bonus 150
Exceptional 57
Artifact 50
Skill 90
Destiny 80
Enhancement 152
Epic levels 60
Meta Magics 300
Feats 60
Filigree 20
Critical Chance 0.83
Item 29
Exceptional 10
Artifact 10
Destiny 10
Enhancement 10
Feats 5
Past life 9
Filigree 0
Other 0
Critical Damage 3.15
Item 30
LGS set 25
Destiny 30
Enhancement 0
Feats 25
Filigree 5
Caster Level 35
Item 0
Levels 20
Enhancement 7
Feats 0
Destiny 8
Extra Max Caster level 5
Item 0
Enhancement 2
Feats 0
Destiny 3
Average no-crit dmg
Spell 1 4,467
Spell 2 11,986
Average Crit
Spell 1 14,071
Spell 2 37,757
Average Cast
Spell 1 11,679
Spell 2 31,339
Meteor blunt dmg + EB
Code:
Build Sorc Drac U47
Spell 1 Meteor Only Blunt
Spell 2 Energy Burst
Spell power 8.44
Equipment bonus 0
Insight bonus 77
Quality Bonus 38
Implement 29
Enhancement bonus 0
Exceptional 20
Artifact 0
Skill 90
Destiny 20
Enhancement 30
Epic levels 60
Meta Magics 300
Feats 60
Filigree 20
Critical Chance 0.83
Item 29
Exceptional 10
Artifact 10
Destiny 10
Enhancement 10
Feats 5
Past life 9
Filigree 0
Other 0
Critical Damage 3.15
Item 30
LGS set 25
Destiny 30
Enhancement 0
Feats 25
Filigree 5
Caster Level 35
Item 0
Levels 20
Enhancement 7
Feats 0
Destiny 8
Extra Max Caster level 5
Item 0
Enhancement 2
Feats 0
Destiny 3
Average no-crit dmg
Spell 1 2,110
Spell 2 6,794
Average Crit
Spell 1 6,647
Spell 2 21,402
Average Cast
Spell 1 5,517
Spell 2 17,763
U48 Meteor fire dmg + EB
Code:
Build Sorc Drac U48
Spell 1 Meteor Only Fire
Spell 2 Energy Burst
Spell power 14.51
Equipment bonus 202
Insight bonus 101
Quality Bonus 0
Implement 29
Enhancement bonus 150
Exceptional 57
Artifact 50
Skill 90
Destiny 80
Enhancement 152
Epic levels 60
Meta Magics 300
Feats 60
Filigree 20
Critical Chance 0.83
Item 29
Exceptional 10
Artifact 10
Destiny 10
Enhancement 10
Feats 5
Past life 9
Filigree 0
Other 0
Critical Damage 2.95
Item 35
LGS set 0
Destiny 30
Enhancement 0
Feats 25
Filigree 5
Caster Level 35
Item 0
Levels 20
Enhancement 7
Feats 0
Destiny 8
Extra Max Caster level 5
Item 0
Enhancement 2
Feats 0
Destiny 3
Average no-crit dmg
Spell 1 4,353
Spell 2 11,681
Average Crit
Spell 1 12,841
Spell 2 34,458
Average Cast
Spell 1 10,658
Spell 2 28,600
U48 Blunt only dmg + EB
Code:
Build Sorc Drac U48
Spell 1 Meteor Only Blunt
Spell 2 Energy Burst
Spell power 7.29
Equipment bonus 0
Insight bonus 0
Quality Bonus 0
Implement 29
Enhancement bonus 0
Exceptional 20
Artifact 0
Skill 90
Destiny 20
Enhancement 30
Epic levels 60
Meta Magics 300
Feats 60
Filigree 20
Critical Chance 0.83
Item 29
Exceptional 10
Artifact 10
Destiny 10
Enhancement 10
Feats 5
Past life 9
Filigree 0
Other 0
Critical Damage 2.95
Item 35
LGS set 0
Destiny 30
Enhancement 0
Feats 25
Filigree 5
Caster Level 35
Item 0
Levels 20
Enhancement 7
Feats 0
Destiny 8
Extra Max Caster level 5
Item 0
Enhancement 2
Feats 0
Destiny 3
Average no-crit dmg
Spell 1 1,823
Spell 2 5,868
Average Crit
Spell 1 5,376
Spell 2 17,312
Average Cast
Spell 1 4,462
Spell 2 14,369
U47:
Meteor total dmg: 17 196
EB dmg: 31 339
U48:
Meteor total dmg: 15120
EB dmg: 28,600
U47 does
meteor: 13.7% more dmg
EB: 9.5% more dmg
Conclusion
U47 does 12% more dmg roughly
U48 has 10% more survivability roughly
Note: U47 can socket a 3-set augment set for +25 PRR, this will make the difference in survivability only 3.9% in favor of U48. It won't stack for the U48, since it's artifact.
It's not a bad item setup, and it's nice that we can finally move away from LGS. I just wish the expansion(!) could offer a bit more. Putting a 15-25% crit dmg set for 3 augments (non-stacking) would ensure that a full U48 build with an augment set (suuuuper grind) pulls ahead slightly. Or at least is fairly even dps wise. This to me, would make it feel like we're making some progression. Then you could either go 4xlgs and do like 3% more dmg with 3 augment set. Or go 4x winter and have 3%ish more survivability. Making the item builds pretty **** even. Add some way to get potency/ins potency/qual potency on the winter set pieces, and it would be a clear winner.
Which is good, since that would require grinding the new expansion like hell, and you'd still be using loads of Sharn + KT gear, etc. A perfect mix of "new and old". The item build I posted includes: 5 pieces from sharn, 1 pieces from KT, 2 pieces from Lshroud, 1 piece from slavers, 4 pieces from Fables of Feywild, 1 piece from age of rage, 3 set augment pieces.
please let it get crit dmg from augments, and some way to fit potency and it'll be a superb item set including content from the past like 5 years. Including stuff just released AND lshroud which you don't wanna people feel sad about losing.
Notes
I accidentally put 20 artifact prr on the U48. It should be 25. So 11% instead of 10% difference, roughly.