R10 Int Assassin for Sharn

[choco1212]

Hi
I only take Dragon marks for leveling and self healing

I am not on Rogue at the mo, so cant see my breakdown for you, but off the top of my head

Your dodge is capped at your max Dex bonus, so that needs to increase
Be light Encumbered only

Sapphire of Agility +2
Halfling Ap's
TA AP's (some cores gives max dodge bonus, if you go 20+ AP's)
T5 Assassin x3
Reaper Tree
Lithe from Shadow Dancer

i dont take dodge feats

i think i was
43 Assassin
8 harper
6 Vistani
24 TA

[grohgredin]

Hi
I only take Dragon marks for leveling and self healing

I am not on Rogue at the mo, so cant see my breakdown for you, but off the top of my head

Your dodge is capped at your max Dex bonus, so that needs to increase
Be light Encumbered only

Sapphire of Agility +2
Halfling Ap's
TA AP's (some cores gives max dodge bonus, if you go 20+ AP's)
T5 Assassin x3
Reaper Tree
Lithe from Shadow Dancer

i dont take dodge feats

i think i was
43 Assassin
8 harper
6 Vistani
24 TA

Tyvm for answer.

I see where i was wrong now. I mixed up Dext Armor cap and dodge cap. I thought dodge cap was the same as dext armor cap...

[choco1212]

So after playing a Halfling Dex build for a month now here is my updated list

Ap split
43 Assassin
24 TA (defence roll for max defence) max dodge
6 Vistani
8 Harper
15 Halfling

Legendary Family Set +15% Artifact bonus to Doublestrike, +25 Artifact bonus to Melee Power, +15% Artifact bonus to damage vs the Helpless, +10% Artifact bonus to Fortification Bypass

• Gloves: Legendary Hammerfist: Insightful Doublestrike 11%, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker 21, Insightful Deadly 8 Blue Slot
• Armor:Legendary Wildcard Light Armor Fortification +214%, Physical Sheltering +54, Competence Healing Amplification +85, False Life +81 Green Slot
• Necklace: The Family's Blessing: Quality Assassinate 2, Doublestrike 24%, Insightful Armour Piercing 16, Deadly 17 Blue Slot, Yellow Slot

Mantle of Suulomades Set +3 Sneak Attack Dice, +10% Artifact bonus to Doublestrike and Doubleshot, +20 Artifact bonus to Physical and Magical Resistance Rating

• Trinket: The Heart of Suulomades Quality Constitution +5 Resistance +18 Blue Slot. Green Slot, Yellow Slot
• Bracers: Devilscale Bracers Improved Deception Assassinate +10 Deception +18 Insightful Assassinate +4 Yellow Slot, Blue Slot

• Ring 1: Slavers Wisdom 17, Stunning 20, Accurracy 28, Quality Dex 4
• Belt: Legendary Belt of Sure Strikes Magical Sheltering +54, Insightful Seeker 10, Quality Combat Mastery +5, Quality Accuracy +8 Green Slot
• Helm: Reaper stat helm Legendary Unbreakable Stormreach Guardian's Helm Constitution +19, Vitality +67, Fortitude Save +16, Fortification +202% Green Slot
• Cloak:Silver Dragonscale Capelet Insightful Dexterity +10, Dodge +21%, Insightful Sheltering +28, Shining Silver Scales (Cold Absorption 51%) Gree Slot Yellow Slot
• Boots: Legendary Knife Toed BootsThorn Guard +8, Armor-Piercing - 28%, Quality Strength +4, Quality Seeker 4 Green Slot
• Ring 2: Legendary Band of Insightful Commands Profane Well Rounded +2, Insightful Accuracy +13, Quality Deadly +4, Intimidate +22 Yellow Slot
• Goggles: Legendary Collective Sight: (Dex21/Insightful Con10/Quality Resistance 4/Temperance of Belief) Blue slot Swap Int\Int for KTA Festival Int +2

NB-If i had a reaper stat slavers helm, i would defo use that instead and change i couple of items

With this split, i retain everything i need, to be a stealth assassin in R10 content

HP's in Reaper are 3600, as i enter the quest
88 Con
124 Dex (tensors)
46 Dodge
136 Dire Charge
Intimi 99
123 Assassinate

From a defensive perspective, this build is superb and if stealth is your thing, even better with 200+ Hide\MS

Fey update changes i would make
With the Fey power creek, most builds are doing more damage. What i have noticed is, mobs tend to die a lot faster in ALL content, so when i play in a party, there is less need for me to tank more than a few seconds. With this in mind, it greatly changes the way i would play a rogue.

Max dodge is not now needed for my play style
Max defense is no longer needed
Max Stealth is no longer needed, but i still want to hit 150 Hide\MS

I will be moving back to a max DPS build, which imho is Int based. Once i have finalized gear tetris, i will post what i find best for MY playstyle, with Ap split.

Ill keep this Dex build here with the Int build for easy reference

[slarden]

Nice write-up and build.

I am planning to retry assassin after many years of having that character on the bench. I am planning to go int - initially I am just using a lesser +20 on an existing character which isn't in an optimal race - but want to try it out first before I TR. If int build works well I want to go sun elf and use a +1 lesser. like you my base is the legendary part of the family set with the raid necklace and the two-piece VOD assassin set and legendary collective sight. Our gear differs after that. I plan to go with +4 int 3-piece augment set but have many more runs to go to get it since staggershockers never dropped for me.

A few quick questions. Can you clarify what you mean by 114 assassinate works on 95% of the mobs in R10 sharn? Do you mean it work 95% of the time on mobs you target or 95% of all mobs? From playing my DC casters I know 114 is enough for the artificers, casters and some rangers. I wouldn't even try to instakill a sharn melee with that DC because it's just too low to work even on R4-R6 which is what I normally run solo. 150 dire charge seems solid, but 130s seems like it wouldn't be 100% unless somehow saves against dire charge work differently than saves against instakill.

[choco1212]

Nice write-up and build.

I am planning to retry assassin after many years of having that character on the bench. I am planning to go int - initially I am just using a lesser +20 on an existing character which isn't in an optimal race - but want to try it out first before I TR. If int build works well I want to go sun elf and use a +1 lesser. like you my base is the legendary part of the family set with the raid necklace and the two-piece VOD assassin set and legendary collective sight. Our gear differs after that. I plan to go with +4 int 3-piece augment set but have many more runs to go to get it since staggershockers never dropped for me.

A few quick questions. Can you clarify what you mean by 114 assassinate works on 95% of the mobs in R10 sharn? Do you mean it work 95% of the time on mobs you target or 95% of all mobs? From playing my DC casters I know 114 is enough for the artificers, casters and some rangers. I wouldn't even try to instakill a sharn melee with that DC because it's just too low to work even on R4-R6 which is what I normally run solo. 150 dire charge seems solid, but 130s seems like it wouldn't be 100% unless somehow saves against dire charge work differently than saves against instakill.

Hey Slarden

For an Int build, you will be a lot higher Dire Charge than the Dex build, due to KTA coming from Int, so it should be 20 ish more (153 pre fey iirc from a previous life i did as int)
114 assassinate, will not cut it for Sharn\fey high fort mobs(melee) but will be ok for the casters\archers. So i meant 95% of the mobs i try it on, 120+ better. I was referring to none sharn, none Death Warded mobs. When in assassin mode switch to past life ancient tactics, this gets you 3 more assassinate, then switch back to a dps PL stance, you can do this as and when you need to.
I would also test with 12 points in Falconry, and get 3 more DC's, as well as 5% hp. 125 should be easily obtainable on an Int build. Ill post once i have Tr'd.

Also the DC's from a dc caster might need to be 145+, where as assassination must be calculated differently, cos i rarely fail with 123 in my current Dex build, never fail with consume.

So last night i was plaaning my next life for Int Rogue

Legendary Family Set +15% Artifact bonus to Doublestrike, +25 Artifact bonus to Melee Power, +15% Artifact bonus to damage vs the Helpless, +10% Artifact bonus to Fortification Bypass

• Gloves: Legendary Hammerfist: Insightful Doublestrike 11%, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker 21, Insightful Deadly 8 Blue Slot
• Armor:Legendary Wildcard Light Armor Fortification +214%, Physical Sheltering +54, Competence Healing Amplification +85, False Life +81 Green Slot
• Necklace: The Family's Blessing: Quality Assassinate 2, Doublestrike 24%, Insightful Armour Piercing 16, Deadly 17 Blue Slot, Yellow Slot

Winter Set 20 PRR

• Boots - Deepsnow Boots Ins Con, Quality Con
• Belt Direwolf Belt Deception +17, Insightful Seeker 10

Augment Sets go here for Int and Con

• Cloak- Silver Dragonscale Capelet Ins Sheltering, Ins Dex, Dodge
• Bracers - Devilscale Bracers
• Ring1 - Ring Int 21, Stunning, Accuracy, Ghostly
• Ring2 - Sigil of the Triumvirate Dex, Ins Accuracy
• Goggles - Collective Sight Con/Ins Int
• Trinket- Slave Lords Sheltering, Armour Piercing, Hide, Quality Int
• Helm-Reaper Wisdom Helm, no scrolling TS and helps with Will saves or Slavers Helm (if i loot a reaper one)

Swap Helm + Belt for LGS when more HP's are needed

Partly the reason for this gear tetris was helped by looting a reaper\myth Mp Sigil of the Triumvirate

For my play style, i like to incorporate hide and move silently into a Int build, so Dex is important too
Here i get all the absolutely must have affects(i think), as well as having 3 high stats Con\Ins Con\Qual Con. Dex\Ins Dex, Int\Ins Int\Qual Int. Missing Qual accuracy should not be an issue, as with SA, i'll be over +200 anyways
Not having fury, is not that a big deal really, to me, as most mobs i kill are either 1 shots, or killed while helpless, but yeah, i'd like to have it
Also for this gear split, i want to be able to swap 2 items for LGS HP's, for when i absolutely need max HP's,(with affirmation, i can get over 5k) so losing 20 PRR from the winter set, and insight seeker, is the best i could achieve. Most of the above items do contain myth\reaper bonuses, so may not be optimal for other ppl to use, or may not suite your playstyle, but for me it covers most of what I deem important for DC's\defense\dps

[Zakumo]

Hey Slarden

For an Int build, you will be a lot higher Dire Charge than the Dex build, due to KTA coming from Int, so it should be 20 ish more (153 pre fey iirc from a previous life i did as int)
114 assassinate, will not cut it for Sharn\fey high fort mobs(melee) but will be ok for the casters\archers. So i meant 95% of the mobs i try it on, 120+ better. I was referring to none sharn, none Death Warded mobs. When in assassin mode switch to past life ancient tactics, this gets you 3 more assassinate, then switch back to a dps PL stance, you can do this as and when you need to.
I would also test with 12 points in Falconry, and get 3 more DC's, as well as 5% hp. 125 should be easily obtainable on an Int build. Ill post once i have Tr'd.

Also the DC's from a dc caster might need to be 145+, where as assassination must be calculated differently, cos i rarely fail with 123 in my current Dex build, never fail with consume.

So last night i was plaaning my next life for Int Rogue

Legendary Family Set +15% Artifact bonus to Doublestrike, +25 Artifact bonus to Melee Power, +15% Artifact bonus to damage vs the Helpless, +10% Artifact bonus to Fortification Bypass

• Gloves: Legendary Hammerfist: Insightful Doublestrike 11%, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker 21, Insightful Deadly 8 Blue Slot
• Armor:Legendary Wildcard Light Armor Fortification +214%, Physical Sheltering +54, Competence Healing Amplification +85, False Life +81 Green Slot
• Necklace: The Family's Blessing: Quality Assassinate 2, Doublestrike 24%, Insightful Armour Piercing 16, Deadly 17 Blue Slot, Yellow Slot

Winter Set 20 PRR

• Boots - Deepsnow Boots Ins Con, Quality Con
• Belt Direwolf Belt Deception +17, Insightful Seeker 10

Augment Sets go here for Int and Con

• Cloak- Silver Dragonscale Capelet Ins Sheltering, Ins Dex, Dodge
• Bracers - Devilscale Bracers
• Ring1 - Ring Int 21, Stunning, Accuracy, Ghostly
• Ring2 - Sigil of the Triumvirate Dex, Ins Accuracy
• Goggles - Collective Sight Con/Ins Int
• Trinket- Slave Lords Sheltering, Armour Piercing, Hide, Quality Int
• Helm-Reaper Wisdom Helm, no scrolling TS and helps with Will saves or Slavers Helm (if i loot a reaper one)

Swap Helm + Belt for LGS when more HP's are needed

Partly the reason for this gear tetris was helped by looting a reaper\myth Mp Sigil of the Triumvirate

For my play style, i like to incorporate hide and move silently into a Int build, so Dex is important too
Here i get all the absolutely must have affects(i think), as well as having 3 high stats Con\Ins Con\Qual Con. Dex\Ins Dex, Int\Ins Int\Qual Int. Missing Qual accuracy should not be an issue, as with SA, i'll be over +200 anyways
Not having fury, is not that a big deal really, to me, as most mobs i kill are either 1 shots, or killed while helpless, but yeah, i'd like to have it
Also for this gear split, i want to be able to swap 2 items for LGS HP's, for when i absolutely need max HP's,(with affirmation, i can get over 5k) so losing 20 PRR from the winter set, and insight seeker, is the best i could achieve. Most of the above items do contain myth\reaper bonuses, so may not be optimal for other ppl to use, or may not suite your playstyle, but for me it covers most of what I deem important for DC's\defense\dps

Hey, I have a few questions, mostly about preferences, if you could please respond I would like to learn

1. regarding helm - I also have a reaper boost helm, but I prefer either crown from fey, can you please share why you prefer the boosted helm?
2. regarding trinket - Since you are already using bracers, why not use suul's heart? the set bonus gives artifact bonus to M/PRR and sneak dice, which would "free" your winter set bonus.
3. regarding rings, I was wondering if you are looking for mp, why not ring of prowess? Is the dex from trium that good for an int build?
4. regarding armor pierce (which Im guessing is most of the reason for slavers trinket), how highly do you value it? do you use precision or power attack?
5. regarding stunning, how important is it? I was thinking of replacing it with an augment to free the gear tetris a bit, would like to hear what you think.

I realize that a lot of your choices are due to mythic bonuses, but assuming a blank or more modest mythic bonuses, what do you think is the "ideal" build for r10 int assassin?
I hope its not too bothersome.

[ValariusK]

Hey, I have a few questions, mostly about preferences, if you could please respond I would like to learn

1. regarding helm - I also have a reaper boost helm, but I prefer either crown from fey, can you please share why you prefer the boosted helm?
2. regarding trinket - Since you are already using bracers, why not use suul's heart? the set bonus gives artifact bonus to M/PRR and sneak dice, which would "free" your winter set bonus.
3. regarding rings, I was wondering if you are looking for mp, why not ring of prowess? Is the dex from trium that good for an int build?
4. regarding armor pierce (which Im guessing is most of the reason for slavers trinket), how highly do you value it? do you use precision or power attack?
5. regarding stunning, how important is it? I was thinking of replacing it with an augment to free the gear tetris a bit, would like to hear what you think.

I realize that a lot of your choices are due to mythic bonuses, but assuming a blank or more modest mythic bonuses, what do you think is the "ideal" build for r10 int assassin?
I hope its not too bothersome.

I can field a one of your questions.
Armor piercing is really important, especially in sharn. He's almost certainly using precision (nearly everyone but druids/barbarians does, and they'd do it if rage was compatible with it). For a lot of builds, critical damage is nearly half their damage. The regular family necklace from house of pain has it (armor piercing 33 if I recollect). The family's blessing raid neck doesn't (but it has that 24% ds that allows you flexibility on your other gear). So replacing the Armor piercing is a priority, especially for an assassin.

[choco1212]

Hey, I have a few questions, mostly about preferences, if you could please respond I would like to learn

1. regarding helm - I also have a reaper boost helm, but I prefer either crown from fey, can you please share why you prefer the boosted helm?
2. regarding trinket - Since you are already using bracers, why not use suul's heart? the set bonus gives artifact bonus to M/PRR and sneak dice, which would "free" your winter set bonus.
3. regarding rings, I was wondering if you are looking for mp, why not ring of prowess? Is the dex from trium that good for an int build?
4. regarding armor pierce (which Im guessing is most of the reason for slavers trinket), how highly do you value it? do you use precision or power attack?
5. regarding stunning, how important is it? I was thinking of replacing it with an augment to free the gear tetris a bit, would like to hear what you think.

I realize that a lot of your choices are due to mythic bonuses, but assuming a blank or more modest mythic bonuses, what do you think is the "ideal" build for r10 int assassin?
I hope its not too bothersome.

Hi, no problem at all

1. regarding helm- i tend to use Reaper stat helms for 2 main reasons, the House J ones tend to fill in a stat i wish to increase, and also the main stat that gets increased gives extra damage\dc\to hit\hp's\saves\skills. After playing with the Slavers reaper helm with fury, i don't find it necessary, as most mobs i kill are 1 shotted, stunned mobs dont last long enough for fury to matter, and not important enough to me on a boss beat down, so for me , either Wis helm for the TS ability and extra will saves, and extra Spot skill or Con helm for the HP are better. NOTE for boss and doom beat downs(only if i am NOT tanking) i will to swap to 10 mp crown of summer, i don't need this extra 10 MP, when i one shot or attack helpless mobs.
2.and 3. The Sullo set is very good, but with an Int build, you will still need to fit in Dex to be a stealthy assassin. I want to be over 130 Hide and MS to be effective. The MA dex ring also gives me one of the few places that i can slot in Insight accuracy as well as Dex(plus mine has myth reaper bonuses). If i could get away without the +17 insight Acc(which is possible i think, as all my attacks are sneak) but i would need to find the magic Hide and MS numbers to remain effective. My preference would be the Suulu set, and i may eventually swap to this set IF i can still remain stealthy enough to be an effective assassin, AND my to hit chance is not impeded.
I like to play an assassin upfront of the party, so i can take out the most deadly threats , even if a dedicated tank is in the group, only a bear tank can keep up with me(the bear tank i sometimes quest with does) , so Stealth is important to me. If you prefer to play an assassin from behind the main party, by surveying the area, and then pouncing, then Dex will not be that important to you, in which case, you'd be better off using a different gear set
4. This is paramount for max dps, precision is a must too, as is slotting deconstructor augments, and using assassins trick.
5. Stunning is super important for this build(and most melee builds), you will obtain over 150 with KTA, which currently only a PDK pally can obtain easily, without using the trinket stunning item that has insight stunning too. Most Sharn and Fey mobs have massive fort saves. So to answer your question, IF you can still reach a good DC on stunning, by only using the stunning augment AND you have enough slots to do so, try it, if your DC's fail more than you like, then swap back. For me i use 2 x augment set slots, which can be a pain to find free slot.

For the current content, i would say Int is the best choice, for MY play style(including my past lives and reapers points), i will be in this build when the new raid is released.

My point of view
Int
Slotting an Int augment set is easier than a dex one(due to DOJ not being ran as often as the sharn raids)
Stunning is a lot higher on Int
No swap for KTA items(not a big deal to me if i have to)
No swap to trap items
Less points in TA needed, so more to spend in DPS trees vistani\falconry

Negatives
Down side it does cost 4 more ap's for Int to damage in Harper tree
Less Hide\MS skills
Less dodge
Slightly less Assassinate due to Max Dex stat being higher than Max Int, even more so now the Festive +2 Dex has arrived this week. +3 Dex from TA and +4 Dex from Tensors, that Int cannot reach.

Dex has more defenses
Int has more DPS and better stunning
The best one just depends on how you play the rogue, what quests you do, what bonus you have on your gear tetris and who you quest with

[choco1212]

You could also go with an alt setup, with LGS HP and Suulo set. Might be better if you need max HP's and better defenses.

No intimidate item, however still more than enough to grab Dooms agro
No insight accuracy, but maintaining Qual Acc, and >95% of hits are sneak attacks(my play style), so chance to hit is still good
No room for 3x Con Augment Set, but you get 18% HP and large unconscious pool from LGS
Switching to Spell absorb cloak, will now remove insight Int, previous setup would remove insight Dex, not the main stat
You lose all Dex bonuses, not my cup of tea though


Legendary Family Set +15% Artifact bonus to Double strike, +25 Artifact bonus to Melee Power, +15% Artifact bonus to damage vs the Helpless, +10% Artifact bonus to Fortification Bypass

• Gloves: Legendary Hammerfist: Insightful Doublestrike 11%, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker 21, Insightful Deadly 8 Blue Slot
• Armor:Legendary Wildcard Light Armor Fortification +214%, Physical Sheltering +54, Competence Healing Amplification +85, False Life +81 Green Slot
• Necklace: The Family's Blessing: Quality Assassinate 2, Doublestrike 24%, Insightful Armour Piercing 16, Deadly 17 Blue Slot, Yellow Slot

Suulo Set 3d6 Sneak attack, 20 PRR, 20 MRR, 10% Artifact Double Strike

• Trinket- The Heart of Suulomades Quality Constitution +5, Resistance +18, Curse Immune, Fire Absorption 31%, Evil Absorption 31%
• Bracers - Devilscale Bracers Improved Deception, Assassinate +10, Insightful Assassinate +4, Deception +18

3 x Int Augment

• Boots - LGS HP
• Belt Magical Sheltering +54, Insightful Seeker 10, Quality Combat Mastery +5, Quality Accuracy +8
• Cloak- Silver Dragonscale Capelet Ins Sheltering, Ins Int, Dodge
• Ring1 - Ring Int 21, Stunning, Accuracy, Ghostly
• Ring2 -Slave Lords Sheltering, Armour Piercing, Hide, Quality Int
• Goggles - Collective Sight Con/Ins Con
• Helm-LGS HP

[Kynestra]

3 x Int Augment

Ring1 - Ring Int 21, Stunning, Accuracy, Ghostly

What augments do you mean? also which ring? thanks

[slarden]

What augments do you mean? also which ring? thanks

You can turn staggershockers from project nemesis into an augment. You need 3 of those slotted to provide a +4 artifact bonus to int via an augment set bonus. I have heard reports that these 3-piece set augments need to be equipped to a non-set item to work properly, but haven't yet crafted any myself so this is 2nd-hand information I can't confirm.

I believe this is the ring he is referring to: https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legend...tial_Ruby_Ring

[VinoeWhines]

What augments do you mean? also which ring? thanks

Not sure what ring but....

The 3xINT augment is the three staggershocker gloves you need to get from Project Nemesis to make 3 Colorless Augments from the gloves(one colorless augment for each glove) to make a 3 pieces set "Piercing Mind: +4 Artifact Intelligence bonus" that you have to put somewhere in your gear augment slots. (Just make sure not to put in a "Set Bonus" you want to keep. like the "The Family Blessing" set bonus. So you can slot the 3 colorless augments on any gear that has a colored slot to get the "Piercing Mind" bonus augment set(3x colorless slotted augments)


Piercing Mind
Ingredients Required to Craft: 50 Threads of Fate, 1 Empty Soul Vessel, 1 Staggershockers
Minimum Level: 30
Binding: Bound to Account
3-Piece Set Bonus: +4 Artifact bonus to Intelligence


https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...Augment-Revamp