Are Iconic Past Lives worth it?

[Bacab]

Heyas, I was curious if you guys thought Iconic Past Lives were worth it.

I don't have any Iconic Past Lives done yet.

I will be (re)getting Heroic Completionist this week with an Alchemist life (about to turn level 12...excited to see how Multi-vial is).

I am not triple heroic completionist

I do have Epic Completionist, but I do not have all the epic past lives, and they seem really strong.

I have 3 Human and 3 Warforged past lives and 1 Dragonborn as far as Racials go.

I tend to play the following races/class combos:

Warforged: Sorc, WIZ, Artificer and Favored Soul

Fleshy: Cleric and Bard (though I want to try Druid again)

I like "hybrid builds" a lot. Buffer/healer/melee. I want to try new EK WIZ.

Anyway, the way I look at it...

Racial PL + Epic PL > Iconic PL and Heroic Class PL

Though I think the Bladeforged past life might be good for a guy who plays Warforged a lot?

Anyway, what do you guys think?

Are there "low hanging fruit" Iconics that everyone likes? PDK seems neat with the sprint boost, BF looks nice with Repair spell power, and Deep Gnome looks cool with Acid Spell power.

Anyway, I appreciate all input!

[Weemadarthur]

Remember with each of those active past lives you also gain a passive one. The PDK is so popular as it gives another 3prr each life that stacks with the passive PRR from the divine epic past lives. 45 prr of the full divine sphere and 3x pdk is quite a nice starting point for any character.

The shadar kai active feat is also surprisingly useful if you get hit a lot but the dodge passive has lost a little luster over the years as dodge is now easy to max on most toons.

The other thing to take into account is you will gain the heroic class past life each time you ITR so its worth keeping that in mind when choosing your primary class for each iconic.

[Tsutti]

I mean may as well do iconic lives, most of them won't give a lot of particularly good benefits but they are kinda free other than restricting race and adding a random class level, otherwise they give the past life for whatever class is your primary class in addition to the iconic life. Deep gnome is nice for mrr, pdk for sprint boost and prr, for the most part nothing else is super important but if you don't have a quiver of alacrity/a lot of haste pots the tiefling scoundrel toggle is nice for run speed, this wouldn't stack with the pdk one because I believe using the pdk one disables all the other active parts of iconic lives for its duration (only one active portion can be toggled at a time, which is why) so the pdk active becomes less useful if you use the tiefling active. Fully stacked, aasimar scourge active is 3 doublestrike--not a must have or anything, but is good for melee.

Idk how much the repair spellpower would help warforged unless you're solo, and even then it's only really good for sorc and arti because wiz would probably get stronger heals from PM. If you're playing in groups much it's most likely better to focus on positive heal amp instead tho because other ppl's heals would probably then be stronger than your self heals. The only catch to this is that in heroic leveling, a lot of people ignore everyone else's hp and it's a bit of every person for themself in terms of healing, so maybe it would still be useful in grouping if you're just doing heroic and ignoring epic.

[AnarchyJesus]

the past life r ok but dont just look at the past life, there r builds that only iconic can pull off. Bladeforged pretty much better than wf in everyway and it have built in recon no matter what class u play, if u like Buffer/healer/melee scourge fvs silvanus builds are one of the best. u might need a +1 heart to get the full effect tho

[janave]

Purely from time+effort investment EPLs are in a good spot, HPL for a DC caster are ok ( they worth 2x2 RPLs in this metric (+2 stat is technically better if the class attr is fixed and uses many schools))., IPL are relatively good too.

RPLs are definitely the most grindy and least value/tr, and for the most part the first 12-14 TRs barely give anything meaningful, due to how super back loaded ( 3PLS/1AP) && higher ap lets players reach higher tiers in the race tree that usually give the stronger enhancements.

[Dragavon]

Some of the iconic past lives are very good, the shadar-kai one for example can be a lifesaver.

When you do iconic lives you also get the class past life of your dominant class. My opinion is that doing iconic lives if you can get useful class past lives is very worthwhile. But look at the past life feats and choose what is most beneficial to you.

[HungarianRhapsody]

Since you start at level 15, it’s just 1 heroic box and 1 epic box and 1 improved epic box on a 30% pot to get to 30. If you have enough heart seeds (Which are way easier to get than tokens of 12) then you might as well grab up a fist full of iconic past lives (and heroic lives that you haven’t picked up yet to go with them). Duped Otto’s boxes are everywhere and they’re dirt cheap and SSG no longer seems to care about that at all, so why not?

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[SpartanKiller13]

Duped Otto’s boxes are everywhere and they’re dirt cheap and SSG no longer seems to care about that at all, so why not?

As much as I'd love to get a few cheap PL's, I'm not going to risk my like 5-year toon on them lol. SSG's banned people before, and I'd be surprised if they didn't again.

[ggmarquez]

what do you guys think?

imagine if you had every past-life already. you want to reset your first-time bonus for legendary content (gotta earn that rxp) and the only thing on your mind was: how can i get back to cap in the shortest amount of time (so i can start running high-skulls again).

this is what iconic does.

i know, i know... that's all well and good, but you don't have every past life...

so pretend that you do? :-p

[kanordog]

They alright if you want heroic past lives as they give a little extra on the top but just for iconic past life, I am not sure.
Depending on your grind speed, if you can do a 15-30 in a weekend, yes, why not but if you TR once every three months and you don't need heroic pls than I wouldn't bother.
Some iconics fit some builds very well so they can be useful but some needs lr+1 and that could be expensive.

I think the pally heal amp can also help a warforged if you hit by positive healing in group it can help to offset (a bit) the built-in penalties. (For a IPL+HPL build, could be a pdk or a BF.)

As much as I'd love to get a few cheap PL's, I'm not going to risk my like 5-year toon on them lol. SSG's banned people before, and I'd be surprised if they didn't again.

Will they ban half of the game population? The cheaters made sure that plenty people will be involved by giving out free boxes or make them so cheap and available that many non-dupers have dirt on by now, like the mass duping of dragonscales and other ingridients years ago.

[AnarchyJesus]

Since you start at level 15, it’s just 1 heroic box and 1 epic box and 1 improved epic box on a 30% pot to get to 30. If you have enough heart seeds (Which are way easier to get than tokens of 12) then you might as well grab up a fist full of iconic past lives (and heroic lives that you haven’t picked up yet to go with them). Duped Otto’s boxes are everywhere and they’re dirt cheap and SSG no longer seems to care about that at all, so why not?

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well if do start banning ppl we know who they should start with

[Bacab]

Thanks for the input!

Yeah, I do like the idea of getting an Iconic PL and Heroic PL in about the same time as 1 Heroic Past life since 20>30 is about equal to 1-15 in time.

Also, mentioning it is eaier to get Reaper XP at cap is pretty true as well.

[HungarianRhapsody]

well if do start banning ppl we know who they should start with

The people selling boxes?

[Tsutti]

Since you start at level 15, it’s just 1 heroic box and 1 epic box and 1 improved epic box on a 30% pot to get to 30. If you have enough heart seeds (Which are way easier to get than tokens of 12) then you might as well grab up a fist full of iconic past lives (and heroic lives that you haven’t picked up yet to go with them). Duped Otto’s boxes are everywhere and they’re dirt cheap and SSG no longer seems to care about that at all, so why not?

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well if do start banning ppl we know who they should start with

The people selling boxes?

I agree that it's probably not a good idea to encourage people to make use of the rampantly duped boxes but just because someone suggests that "hey why not, they're everywhere" doesn't mean that person needs to be banned either. It's really the people selling the boxes and the people who duped them who should be banned, which is exactly the problem; it's hard to find those people since they're hiding inside a mountain of boxes with many others who had nothing to do with the ordeal and some of whom could be considered victims.

[rabidfox]

Doing some iconic lives is also a great way to build up a nice stash of tokens of the twelve. Since you won't be burning them on those lives to reincarnate, you can get a nice backup stash built up for those times you hate a build and want to pop it immediately at 20.

[HungarianRhapsody]

I agree that it's probably not a good idea to encourage people to make use of the rampantly duped boxes but just because someone suggests that "hey why not, they're everywhere" doesn't mean that person needs to be banned either. It's really the people selling the boxes and the people who duped them who should be banned, which is exactly the problem; it's hard to find those people since they're hiding inside a mountain of boxes with many others who had nothing to do with the ordeal and some of whom could be considered victims.

Nothing else seems to be getting SSG to actually address the problem and they FINALLY did at least something to stop people from making throwaway accounts to sell boxes from, so I don't regret any of the attention today.

[Stravix]

I agree that it's probably not a good idea to encourage people to make use of the rampantly duped boxes but just because someone suggests that "hey why not, they're everywhere" doesn't mean that person needs to be banned either. It's really the people selling the boxes and the people who duped them who should be banned, which is exactly the problem; it's hard to find those people since they're hiding inside a mountain of boxes with many others who had nothing to do with the ordeal and some of whom could be considered victims.

I'm sorry, but exploiting well known dupes of items doesn't make you a victim. If you are choosing to buy otto boxes from third party sources, you do not get protections by doing so. That's like saying that athletes who take steroids shouldn't get banned from their sports because "they think that everyone is doing it."

[Tsutti]

I'm sorry, but exploiting well known dupes of items doesn't make you a victim. If you are choosing to buy otto boxes from third party sources, you do not get protections by doing so. That's like saying that athletes who take steroids shouldn't get banned from their sports because "they think that everyone is doing it."

I didn't say I was a victim. If someone is buying them and knows they're duped, they aren't a victim. If they buy them off the AH and don't know about the boxes being duped, and are in danger of being banned for it, they're a victim. Trust me, it's entirely possible that someone doesn't know. I didn't until about a month ago, when I looked on the forums and saw that post that was titled after it. Lucky me that I never bother with the AH, but some might be just as oblivious who frequent the AH.

[Draxis]

As far as usefulness goes I consider the order to be Epic PL > Iconic PL > Racial PL > Heroic PL.

[AnarchyJesus]

The people selling boxes?

yeah and also those who openly promoting the purchase and usage of those boxes on the forum.

Nothing else seems to be getting SSG to actually address the problem and they FINALLY did at least something to stop people from making throwaway accounts to sell boxes from, so I don't regret any of the attention today.

hey man im just here to help you get banned because you obviously have a cringy martyr complex