Thf dps

[FURYous]

I am looking for a little help here. I am trying to make an end game DPS toon but seem to be falling short on the DPS part. My Holy Retribution DC is at 141 so killing trash isn't an issue, it's beating things down that seems to be lagging by at least a 1/3rd of what other DPS toons are getting at my level. The testing was done against a named mob in R3.

Here is the breakdown of what I am running, I am not set on anything other then to get things dead fast;

Classes: 20 Paladin, 10 Epic
Race: Purple Dragon Knight Alignment: Lawful Good

· · ·Start Tome Final
Str:· · 10· · 8 · ·31 · · ·HP:· · · ·1883 · · ·AC:· ·193
Dex:· · 10· · 8 · ·30 · · ·PRR: · · · 201
Con:· · 18· · 8 · ·74 · · ·MRR: · · · 123 · · ·+Healing Amp:· ·265
Int:· · ·8· · 8 · ·28 · · ·Dodge: · ·4/27 · · ·-Healing Amp: 4294967236
Wis:· · ·8· · 8 · ·28 · · ·Fort:· · ·244% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · ·0
Cha:· · 18· · 8 · ·99 · · ·SR:· · · · · 3 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 20
DR: 30\-
Immunities: Natural Disease, Magical Disease, Super-Natural Disease, Fear, Energy Drain, Charisma Damage, Blindness, Death Effects, Drowning, Falling damage, Blindness, Mind-altering effects

Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Paladin(1)· · · ·Standard: Force of Personality
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Purple Dragon Knight Bonus: Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Follower of Faith: Favored by Silvanus
3 · · Paladin(3)· · · ·Standard: Completionist
4 · · Paladin(4)· · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
6 · · Paladin(6)· · · ·Standard: Power Critical
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Deity: Blessing of Silvanus
8 · · Paladin(8)· · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
9 · · Paladin(9)· · · ·Standard: Power Attack
12· · Paladin(12) · · ·Standard: Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
15· · Paladin(15) · · ·Standard: Child of Faith
16· · Paladin(16) · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
18· · Paladin(18) · · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
20· · Paladin(20) · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Improved Two Handed Fighting
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Greater Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Tactician
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Dire Charge
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Beloved of the Divine
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Scion of Arborea

Skills
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Skill Points· · · 8 ·3· 3 ·3· 3 ·3· 4 ·4· 4 ·4· 4 ·4· 4 ·4· 5 ·5· 5 ·5· 5 ·5
Skill Name· · · ·01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20· Total Buffed
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Balance · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ½ ·½· ½ ·½· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·2· · 9.0 · 40.0
Heal· · · · · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 55.0
Search· · · · · · · ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ · · ·11.0 · 44.0
Use Magic Device· 2 ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ · · ·11.0 · 77.0
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Available Points· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0
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Enhancements: 80 APs, Racial 14, Universal 1
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Purple Dragon Knight - Points spent: 14
 1 Core ·(1) Versatility I: Damage Boost
 2 Core ·(2) Adaptability: +1 Charisma
 3 Tier1 (2) Improved Recovery I
 4 Tier1 (2) Cormyrean Knight Training
 5 Tier2 (1) Fighting Style: Great Weapon Aptitude
 6 Tier2 (1) Fighting Style: Great Weapon Aptitude
 7 Tier2 (1) Fighting Style: Great Weapon Aptitude
 8 Tier3 (2) Improved Recovery II
 9 Tier3 (2) Heroism
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Knight of the Chalice - Points spent: 46
 1 Core ·(1) Slayer of Evil I
 2 Tier1 (1) Extra Smite
 3 Tier1 (1) Extra Smite
 4 Tier1 (1) Extra Smite
 5 Tier1 (1) Improved Second Strikes
 6 Tier1 (1) Improved Second Strikes
 7 Tier1 (1) Improved Second Strikes
 8 Tier1 (1) Shieldbeaker
 9 Tier1 (1) Shieldbeaker
10 Tier1 (1) Shieldbeaker
11 Core ·(1) Courage of Heaven
12 Core ·(1) Slayer of Evil II
13 Tier2 (1) Critical Mastery
14 Tier2 (1) Critical Mastery
15 Tier2 (1) Critical Mastery
16 Tier2 (1) Divine Might
17 Tier2 (1) Divine Might
18 Tier2 (1) Divine Might
19 Tier2 (2) Adept Combatant
20 Tier3 (2) Holy Combatant II
21 Tier4 (2) Knight's Training
22 Tier3 (2) Exalted Smite: Exalted Smite
23 Tier3 (2) Exalted Smite: Exalted Smite
24 Tier3 (2) Exalted Smite: Exalted Smite
25 Tier3 (2) Ability I: +1 Charisma
26 Tier4 (2) Ability II: +1 Charisma
27 Tier5 (1) Holy Retribution: Holy Retribution
28 Tier4 (2) Vigor of Life I
29 Tier5 (2) Vigor of Life II
30 Tier4 (1) Censure Demons
31 Tier5 (1) Censure Outsiders
32 Tier5 (2) Ascendancy
33 Core ·(1) Improved Courage of Heaven
34 Core ·(1) Slayer of Evil III
35 Core ·(1) Champion of Good
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Sacred Defender - Points spent: 31
 1 Core ·(1) Holy Bastion
 2 Tier1 (1) Extra Lay on Hands
 3 Tier1 (1) Extra Lay on Hands
 4 Tier1 (1) Extra Lay on Hands
 5 Tier1 (1) Improved Sacred Defense I: Durable Defense
 6 Tier1 (1) Improved Sacred Defense I: Durable Defense
 7 Tier1 (1) Improved Sacred Defense I: Durable Defense
 8 Core ·(1) Sacred Defence
 9 Tier2 (1) Improved Sacred Defense II: Resilient Defense
10 Tier2 (1) Improved Sacred Defense II: Resilient Defense
11 Tier2 (1) Improved Sacred Defense II: Resilient Defense
12 Tier2 (1) Bulwark Aura
13 Tier2 (1) Bulwark Aura
14 Tier2 (1) Bulwark Aura
15 Tier3 (1) Resistance Aura
16 Tier3 (1) Resistance Aura
17 Tier3 (2) Ability I: +1 Charisma
18 Core ·(1) Divine Righteousness
19 Tier3 (1) Greater Sacred Defense I: Hardy Defense
20 Tier3 (1) Greater Sacred Defense I: Hardy Defense
21 Tier3 (1) Greater Sacred Defense I: Hardy Defense
22 Core ·(1) Redemption
23 Tier4 (2) Ability II: +1 Charisma
24 Tier4 (1) Swift Defense
25 Tier4 (1) Reinforced Defense I: Reinforced Armor
26 Tier4 (1) Reinforced Defense I: Reinforced Armor
27 Tier4 (1) Reinforced Defense I: Reinforced Armor
28 Tier3 (1) Resistance Aura
29 Core ·(1) Glorious Stand
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Harper Agent - Points spent: 4
 1 Core ·(1) Agent of Good I
 2 Tier1 (2) Harper Enchantment
 3 Tier1 (1) Traveller's Toughness
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Active Destiny Tree
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Fatesinger - Points spent: 24
 1 Core ·(0)· Repertoire
 2 Core ·(0) Glitter of Fame
 3 Core ·(0) Harmonic Resonance
 4 Core ·(0) Intoxicating Presence
 5 Core ·(0) Grandeur
 6 Core ·(0) Majesty
 7 Tier1 (1) First Harmonic Chord
 8 Tier1 (1) First Harmonic Chord
 9 Tier1 (1) First Harmonic Chord
10 Tier1 (2) Ability I: +1 Charisma
11 Tier2 (2)· Ability II: +1 Charisma
12 Tier2 (1) Second Harmonic Chord
13 Tier2 (1) Second Harmonic Chord
14 Tier2 (1) Second Harmonic Chord
15 Tier3 (2) Ability III: +1 Charisma
16 Tier4 (2) Ability IV: +1 Charisma
17 Tier4 (2) Divine Hymn
18 Tier4 (1) Fourth Harmonic Chord
19 Tier5 (2) Ability V: +1 Charisma
20 Tier5 (1) Bladesong
21 Tier5 (1) The Fith Chord
22 Tier6 (2) Ability VI: +1 Charisma
23 Tier6 (1) Turn of the Tide
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Twists of fate - 32 of 38 Fate points spent.
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Twist 1 - Tier 3: Shadowdancer: Meld Into Darkness
Twist 2 - Tier 2: Divine Crusader: Confront Any Foe
Twist 3 - Tier 2: Grandmaster of Flowers: Running with Wind
Twist 4 - Tier 2: Grandmaster of Flowers: Hail of Blows
Twist 5 - Tier 1: Grandmaster of Flowers: A Dance of Flowers

Dread Adversary - Points spent: 5
 1 Core ·(1) Reaper's Offense I
 2 Tier1 (1) Reaper's Blade I
 3 Tier1 (1) Reaper's Blade I
 4 Tier1 (1) Reaper's Blade I
 5 Tier1 (1) Reaper's Strength or Dexterity I: +1 Strength
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Grim Barricade - Points spent: 15
 1 Core ·(1) Reaper's Defense I
 2 Tier1 (1) Reaper's Bulwark/Shroud I: PRR
 3 Tier1 (1) Reaper's Reflex/Fortitude/Will I: Reflex Save
 4 Tier1 (1) Reaper's Constitution I
 5 Tier1 (1) Reaper's Evasion I
 6 Core ·(1) Reaper's Defense II
 7 Tier2 (1) Reaper's Bullwark/Shroud II: PRR
 8 Tier2 (1) Reaper's Reflex/Fortitude/Will II: Reflex Save
 9 Tier2 (1) Reaper's Constitution II
10 Tier2 (1) Reaper's Evasion II
11 Core ·(1) Reaper's Defense III
12 Tier3 (1) Reaper's Bulwark/Shroud III: PRR
13 Tier3 (1) Reaper's Reflex/Fortitude/Will III: Reflex Save
14 Tier3 (1) Reaper's Constitution III
15 Tier3 (1) Reaper's Evasion III
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Equipped Gear Set : Standard
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Armor · · · · Legendary Enforcer's Plate
· · · · · · · +15 Enhancement Bonus
· · · · · · · Fortification +214%
· · · · · · · Physical Sheltering +54
· · · · · · · Healing Amplification +85
· · · · · · · False Life +81
· · · · · · · Legendary Part of the Family
· · · · · · · Green: Topaz of Deathblock
· · · · · · · Mythic: +4 Mythic Shield Boost
Belt· · · · · Legendary Chains
· · · · · · · Legendary Slavelords Prefix: Sheltering +45
· · · · · · · Legendary Slavelords Suffix: Resistance +14
· · · · · · · Legendary Slavelords Extra: Shatter +20
· · · · · · · Legendary Slavelords Bonus: Quality Constitution +4
· · · · · · · Legendary Slavelords Set Bonus: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Green: +250 Topaz of Power
Boots · · · · Legendary Sunken Slippers
· · · · · · · Lesser Displacement
· · · · · · · Insightful Potency +77
· · · · · · · Quality Potency +38
· · · · · · · Nearly Finished (Qual IWC): +5 Quality Charisma
· · · · · · · Yellow: +40 Topaz of Sonic Resistance
· · · · · · · Mythic: +1 Mythic Shield Boost
Bracers · · · Brightlord, the Sigil of the Flame
· · · · · · · Charisma +22
· · · · · · · Speed +30%
· · · · · · · Armor-Piercing +36
· · · · · · · Extra Smites
· · · · · · · Green: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Yellow: Topaz of Underwater Action
· · · · · · · Blue: +16 Sapphire of Defense
· · · · · · · Mythic: +3 Mythic Power Boost
Cloak · · · · Legendary Cloak of the City's Champion
· · · · · · · Extra Smites
· · · · · · · Parrying +10
· · · · · · · Insightful Constitution +10
· · · · · · · Quality Physical Sheltering +13
· · · · · · · Green: Topaz of Feather Fall
Gloves· · · · Legendary Hammerfist
· · · · · · · Insightful Doublestrike +11%
· · · · · · · Cannith Combat Infusion
· · · · · · · Seeker +21
· · · · · · · Insightful Deadly +8
· · · · · · · Legendary Part of the Family
· · · · · · · Blue: +8 Sapphire of Protection
Goggles · · · Legendary Collective Sight
· · · · · · · Quality Resistance +4
· · · · · · · Temperance of Belief
· · · · · · · Nearly Finished (SDCIWC): +21 Constitution
· · · · · · · Nearly Finished (Ins SDCIWC): +10 Insightful Charisma
· · · · · · · Blue: Diamond of Vitality +20
Helmet· · · · Legendary Executioner's Helm
· · · · · · · Insightful Deception VII
· · · · · · · Relentless Fury
· · · · · · · Seeker XVII
· · · · · · · Quality Combat Mastery +4
· · · · · · · Green: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Legendary Slavelords Set Bonus: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Mythic: +2 Mythic Shield Boost
Necklace· · · The Family's Blessing
· · · · · · · Quality Assassinate +2
· · · · · · · Insightful Armor-Piercing +16
· · · · · · · Deadly +17
· · · · · · · Doublestrike +24%
· · · · · · · Legendary Part of the Family
· · · · · · · Yellow: Draconic Soul Gem
· · · · · · · Blue: +2 Sapphire of Good Luck
Ring1 · · · · Legendary Ring of Prowess
· · · · · · · Deadly +14
· · · · · · · Accuracy +28
· · · · · · · Melee Power +8
· · · · · · · Ranged Power +8
· · · · · · · Green: Topaz of Blindness Immunity
· · · · · · · Mythic: +2 Mythic Power Boost
Ring2 · · · · Legendary Band of Insightful Commands
· · · · · · · Profane Well Rounded
· · · · · · · Insightful Accuracy XIII
· · · · · · · Quality Deadly +4
· · · · · · · Intimidate +22
· · · · · · · Yellow: Empty augment slot
Trinket · · · Bloodrage Chrism
· · · · · · · Healing Amplification +83
· · · · · · · Calamitous Blows
· · · · · · · Bloodrage Defense
· · · · · · · Rune-fuelled Warding
· · · · · · · Unnatural
· · · · · · · Crypt Raider Set (Legendary)
· · · · · · · Blue: Globe of True Imperial Blood
· · · · · · · Green: +8 Sapphire of Natural Armor
Weapon1 · · · The Reflection of Blackrazor
· · · · · · · Damage and Type 5[2d6+6] + 15 Slash, Magic
· · · · · · · Critical Threat Range 19-20 x2
· · · · · · · +15 Enhancement Bonus
· · · · · · · Overwhelming Stealer of Souls
· · · · · · · Keen V
· · · · · · · Entropic 9
· · · · · · · Vampirism 4
· · · · · · · Psychic Ward
· · · · · · · Red: Deconstructor
· · · · · · · Orange: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Sentient Weapon Personality: Sentient Jewel of Blackrazor

· · · · · · · Filigree 1: Sucker Punch/One Against Many: +2 Strength
· · · · · · · Filigree 2: Sucker Punch: Melee Power
· · · · · · · Filigree 3: One Against Many: Attack and Damage
· · · · · · · Filigree 4: One Against Many: Melee Power
· · · · · · · Filigree 5: Sanctified Fervor: Charisma
· · · · · · · Filigree 6: Sanctified Fervor: Melee Power
· · · · · · · Filigree 7: Sanctified Fervor: Healing Amplification
· · · · · · · Filigree 8: Sanctified Fervor: Smite Evil
· · · · · · · Filigree 9: Sanctified Fervor: PRR
· · · · · · · Filigree 10: The Long Shadow: Attack and Damage
· · · · · · · Filigree 11: The Long Shadow: Melee Power
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[A-O]

Fop is unneeded.
Power crit is awful
PA is much worse than precision
Child of faith feats are not worth over toughness feats/charisma epic feats
tactician is overkill on a pdk
Only go 41p in Kotc

Defender for overall smoother gameplay
falconry + fotw for more dmg
twist haste boost from LD
go for cha with reaper points

There's more to unpack here, but those are some things to fix.

[Fivetigers33]

PDK Greatsword Pally is a great overall build, but is by no means a top DPS build. Bear builds, Silvanus builds, 2H Fighter builds are all going to out DPS it. TWF Kensai and Rogue builds should too. You can certainly make a few tweaks and get a little bit more DPS out of your current build, but it can only go so far as Greatsword is one of the biggest limiting factors and can't currently be swapped. PDK also is one of the lowest DPS racial trees out there.

You could consider swapping to Long Swords and TWF. You'd still have plenty of AoE via CAF and the KotC cleaves but your single target DPS would be considerably better.

After Feydark Illusionist comes out, expect to see a lot of Wood Elf Falchion Pallys and Silvanus Pallys. Those will be the new META and probably have the DPS you are looking for along with all the Pally bells and whistles.

[Tilomere]

I am looking for a little help here. I am trying to make an end game DPS toon but seem to be falling short on the DPS part.

Drop PA for precision, fatesinger for FotW, SaD for falconry, drop tactics for PTWF, long shadow for 10% fort bypass. and twist grim precision over hail.

[unbongwah]

Feydark Illusionist is about to make CHA-based Silvanus paladins more attractive by adding CHA to-hit and damage for 7(?) APs. While still using greatswords when you need the DC bonus from Cormyrian Knight Training and/or slashing damage for DR bypass.

41 APs KotC for capstone
23 APs Falconry for No Mercy
8 APs PDK for CKT and GWA (+20 Strikethrough)
7 APs Feydark (CHA to-hit and dmg)

Feats: Magical Training (Feydark pre-req), THF x3, IC:Slash+Overwhelming Crit, Precision and/or Power Attack; Completionist; Stunning Blow; PTHF; Dire Charge

Ideally you use Tremor which has Impact so you don't need IC:Blunt as well.

Run in either Dreadnought or FotW.

[FURYous]

WOW! such a great response, thanks everyone! It will take me a little while to digest it all but I will update when I do.

What about Holy Retribution Vs Fighter, the main reason I picked Pally was that Holy Retribution is crazy good. I would be more than willing to do str fighter if I can gain DPS.

P.S. I do not like animal forms, I have no idea why but I really don't like playing them I love elemental forms, go figure

[A-O]

Feydark Illusionist is about to make CHA-based Silvanus paladins more attractive by adding CHA to-hit and damage for 7(?) APs. While still using greatswords when you need the DC bonus from Cormyrian Knight Training and/or slashing damage for DR bypass.

41 APs KotC for capstone
23 APs Falconry for No Mercy
8 APs PDK for CKT and GWA (+20 Strikethrough)
7 APs Feydark (CHA to-hit and dmg)

Feats: THF x3, IC:Slash+Overwhelming Crit, Precision and/or Power Attack; Completionist; Stunning Blow; PTHF; Dire Charge

Ideally you use Tremor which has Impact so you don't need IC:Blunt as well.

Run in either Dreadnought or FotW.

You need IC:blunt for OC