shifter class creativity?

[kiaoto]

what happened to creativity? Reuse rage code for shifting ***?! the druid is more of a shifter than the shifter race is. The idea of the shifter is he kills his prey and uses that sample to become that creature. The shifter then would take on the attributes of its sample.

[Memnir]

As far as I know, Shifters in D&D have never done that.

[Arkat]

[Xgya]

what happened to creativity? Reuse rage code for shifting ***?! the druid is more of a shifter than the shifter race is. The idea of the shifter is he kills his prey and uses that sample to become that creature. The shifter then would take on the attributes of its sample.

Shifters in D&D are related by blood to were-animals the same way Aasimar and Tiefling are related to good and evil outsiders.

They can temporarily gain an aspect of the animal their ancestors fully represented. Some Shifters temporarily grow sharper claws, some get better eyesight or noses, faster legs, bigger more threatening jaws. However, those traits are specific to each Shifter. A Shifter that can grow sharper claws will always have the ability to grow sharper claws, for example.

DDO made them definitely simpler.

[kiaoto]

I can't argue that Shifters in D&D have never done that. However in, Baulder's gate series Neverwinter nights it states: "The epic shifter is a true master of shapeshifting and is able to become virtually any creature imaginable by choosing epic bonus feats." etc..., Consider movies such as Terminator, star trek, venom, x-men dark phoenix, Captain Marvel, etc. This D&D writer was written in 2004 and it states "They cannot transform wholly into an animal but can instead shift parts of their body to become animal-like for short periods of time." druid can shift into a wolf or bear in D&D and beserk - take on all those attributes. That makes the shifter class or race redundant. That D&D writer needs to rethink his shifter as it sounds more like a werewolf than shifter. lycanthropes are not shifters.

[Discpsycho]

You're exactly right. All of the +1s

There are other changes that should be made in keeping with other interpretations stemming from unrelated sources:

- As in the X-Men, Rogues steal life force and skills/feats/spells on contact. Enemies, allies, you name it

- Clerics should be able to scribe scrolls, in keeping with clerical duties in the modern workforce, but only those dictated to them by another caster

- Wizards need a cosmetic for lightning-bolt scars and must fall into one of four subclasses: Slytherwin (snakes; SUPER op), Huff'n'puff (air), Griefin'door (mimic-based) and Cravenlaw (lawyers wielding primarily fear-based spells)

- Barbarians can only be named some variation of "Conan", which they don't notice because (as in 3.5e) they're illiterate

- Taking a leaf out of Guilded Age's book, wood elves must be made (at least in part) of wood

- Gnomes must all wear red pointy hats

[Lafshmaf]

I can't argue that Shifters in D&D have never done that. However in, Baulder's gate series Neverwinter nights it states: "The epic shifter is a true master of shapeshifting and is able to become virtually any creature imaginable by choosing epic bonus feats." etc..., Consider movies such as Terminator, star trek, venom, x-men dark phoenix, Captain Marvel, etc. This D&D writer was written in 2004 and it states "They cannot transform wholly into an animal but can instead shift parts of their body to become animal-like for short periods of time." druid can shift into a wolf or bear in D&D and beserk - take on all those attributes. That makes the shifter class or race redundant. That D&D writer needs to rethink his shifter as it sounds more like a werewolf than shifter. lycanthropes are not shifters.

nope, does not need to. "Shifters, also known as the weretouched, were an exclusive race in the Eberron campaign setting". I put up to debate whether the inspiration should be an assortment of various random transforming creatures throughout fantasy and SF or the actual lore background the concept is drawn from.

[Memnir]

as it sounds more like a werewolf than shifter. lycanthropes are not shifters.

You didn't bother to click the link, did you. The one in my last post? It's right there in the first line, so minimal effort would have granted maximum self-education.


The Shifters DDO is getting are setting appropriate, as these Shifters have been a part of Eberron since the get-go. Yeah, you might not like them (I'm not so sure I do either, but time will tell), but that doesn't mean they need to be rethought or turned into Bio-Mimics.

[kanordog]

what happened to creativity? Reuse rage code for shifting ***?! the druid is more of a shifter than the shifter race is. The idea of the shifter is he kills his prey and uses that sample to become that creature. The shifter then would take on the attributes of its sample.

What you describe is a doppelganger, their descendants are called changeling in Eberron
Shifters are the descendants of lycanthropes: werewolves, wererats, werecats etc.

Check these out from eberron wiki:

https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Changeling
https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Shifter


ps.: Shifter CLASS is not a RACE and shifter RACE is not a CLASS

pps.: It is ok to make mistakes, we all done that