Heroic/Epic Otto's Boxes need immediate attention

[Cashiry]

Can you please make all boxes and XP stones in those boxes bound to account immediately? It is getting out of hand the amount of duped boxes out there.

I was offered a heroic otto's box for a piece of raid loot today. As tempting as it was, i decided not to do the trade and placed the item up for roll due to the fear of being banned. The reasoning is, how am I to know if the Otto's box was legitimately bought in the DDO Store or duped. In fears of being banned I did not make the trade.


So, you have some players out there that are unawares of the duped boxes, so if and when the ban hammer drops and they made a trade for a duped box and get banned. Is that really fare because Standing Stone has not made a stand or announcement of the ramifications of making such a trade.


The simple fix is to make all current and future boxes bound to account. Then you can easily find out who is duping and drop the hammer on them.

As a player that has been playing on and off from launch of the game. I have never seen it this bad for duping. This needs to be addressed sooner than later.

Thx.

V/R

[mikarddo]

Duped boxes are very bad both for the playerbase and for SSG. It is sadness at its worse.

[Elfishski]

Can you please make all boxes bound to account immediately? It is getting out of hand the amount of duped boxes out there.
V/R

Yeah, allowing the previous round with the anniversary cards to go on for too long and too blatantly nearly killed the game off (and permanently changed the way people played for the worse), don't make the same mistake again if it's not too late. I haven't seen it in the wild, but if it's happening then this seems like an obvious and vital fix.

[thedip]

Please make them BTA, I've never understood why they aren't.

There have been quite a few on the shard AH recently, maybe they are expecting a clamp down or trying to sell them prior to the new class and race in Feywild?

It would be wrong to ban people for buying them from the AH when it is a legitimate sale item according to SSG (otherwise they would be BTA or BTC).

[HungarianRhapsody]

I don’t understand why they weren’t BtA from the first, but I’m also surprised that a thread talking about massive duping exploits hasn’t been cubed yet.

[SpartanKiller13]

I got traded a Tenser's Weapon Box for some stuff the other day which I was super grateful for (I was short 30k SXP of my optimal setup), now I'm a little worried that it was a duped box lol.

Like I would pretty happily lose 30k SXP instead of getting my account banned (no way is my account worth that little to me), but I'd much have preferred to know in advance that it was a risk...

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It's also a little disappointing seeing people seemingly getting away with spamming duped boxes and getting tons of PL's without paying for it, while legitimate players are at their usual rate of progress.

[That_arrow_guy]

I do not agree with you on this. I run two accounts and I spend my points even in both. I could not buy all the boxes I would want/need if they are bta.


Also, you are being scared of something you do not know was duped or not and now you want to ruin it for everyone? Shame.

[ggmarquez]

...and getting tons of PL's without paying for it, while legitimate players are at their usual rate of progress.

i used to feel that way about it. i noticed some time ago now, a small but growing number of players on my server were doing the 15-29 then run a set list of cherry-picked quests on r10 thing. i was still finishing up my project to see how long it would actually take me to hit 75 reaper points and racial completionist on an alt. it bothered me. i started taking screen shots every day. my "friends" list grew. then i tried to work out exactly how many boxes are in cold storage across each server. staggering. and then i tried to determine how much rxp these guys must be pulling in a day. 250k+ seems a conservative estimate. not quite so bad as amber temple in its hay-day. but still...

now i don't even notice it any more. if some players found a workaround for advancing alts at a rate they have decided is acceptable to them... well it's their account, their risk... personally won't use boxes but i understand the motive. i have no intention of letting my fun be ruined by someone else, especially someone i'm not even in group with.

[slarden]

It would be wrong to ban people for buying them from the AH when it is a legitimate sale item according to SSG (otherwise they would be BTA or BTC).

Partially agree. Since people are "cleansing" their duped boxes through the ASAH they should look for abusive patterns where people are buying high amounts of boxes for cheap through the ASAH. This is a sign someone is using an alt account to dupe and then cleanse the boxes through the ASAH to pass to their main account.

And yes people are using duped boxes for many reasons - past lifes yes but also resetting first time rxp bonuses for a 30 run - etr / tr - use dupe boxes - rinse and repeat. This can be done legitimately for high $ but now is being done in mass by dupers.

Hence the sudden climb in people wanting new rewards for high reaper points.

The whole reaper system is tainted and I hope they don't reward dupers with high reaper point rewards.

[jax2649]

i used to feel that way about it. i noticed some time ago now, a small but growing number of players on my server were doing the 15-29 then run a set list of cherry-picked quests on r10 thing. i was still finishing up my project to see how long it would actually take me to hit 75 reaper points and racial completionist on an alt. it bothered me. i started taking screen shots every day. my "friends" list grew. then i tried to work out exactly how many boxes are in cold storage across each server. staggering. and then i tried to determine how much rxp these guys must be pulling in a day. 250k+ seems a conservative estimate. not quite so bad as amber temple in its hay-day. but still...

now i don't even notice it any more. if some players found a workaround for advancing alts at a rate they have decided is acceptable to them... well it's their account, their risk... personally won't use boxes but i understand the motive. i have no intention of letting my fun be ruined by someone else, especially someone i'm not even in group with.

Oh, staggering is it?

Now factor in the fact that every time the dupers wanted to dupe, they needed to pay a hefty sum to the game.
Their profits from this was most likely more than their Sharn xpack sale.

Oh no, but people think SGG does not profit from this...

[SpartanKiller13]

Oh, staggering is it?

Now factor in the fact that every time the dupers wanted to dupe, they needed to pay a hefty sum to the game.
Their profits from this was most likely more than their Sharn xpack sale.

Oh no, but people think SGG does not profit from this...

Ok, just to understand your point. Player A buys 1 box = like $50 to SSG. Player A then duplicates said box 50x, and sells/trades/gives them away; one of the people they sold to (Player B) was planning on buying a box, but instead gets three duped boxes for a lower price (say AS). There's now ~46 boxes generated without being paid for (given Player A paid for one, and Player B bought AS to pay for their three). Everything else is lost profit? Even worse if the AS were duped lol, which seems likely that some people have given the hilarious prices some people pay for stuff on the ASAH. If Player C was going to buy a box, but instead picks some up for free (trading raid items like a poster earlier) than SSG just lost $50 and they're already losing money with ~45 duped boxes still on the market.

How is SSG profiting immensely?

[slarden]

Ok, just to understand your point. Player A buys 1 box = like $50 to SSG. Player A then duplicates said box 50x, and sells/trades/gives them away; one of the people they sold to (Player B) was planning on buying a box, but instead gets three duped boxes for a lower price (say AS). There's now ~46 boxes generated without being paid for (given Player A paid for one, and Player B bought AS to pay for their three). Everything else is lost profit? Even worse if the AS were duped lol, which seems likely that some people have given the hilarious prices some people pay for stuff on the ASAH. If Player C was going to buy a box, but instead picks some up for free (trading raid items like a poster earlier) than SSG just lost $50 and they're already losing money with ~45 duped boxes still on the market.

How is SSG profiting immensely?

Agree - there is no way they are profiting from it - typical argument by people duping to make themselves feel better.

[Minrothad]

ibtl

[Valerianus]

ibtl

also, i don't care, i think about myself, i never used a stone, legit or not. don't care what other players do. that's on them.

also, i think the wayfinder issue was some attempted fixing of some stuff deeply and sadly buried into spaghetti code that went horribly wrong. duping or not-duping related. test on less populated live server. just my humble opinion.

[jax2649]

Agree - there is no way they are profiting from it - typical argument by people duping to make themselves feel better.

Typical argument to make people in the know talk

[Zeleron]

So why isn't this thread locked yet?

[Soulfurnace]

ibtl

[Thrudh]

So why isn't this thread locked yet?

Why isn't this problem fixed yet?

Put an ID on all stones of xp, and then ban people publicly when they are duped.

It really only takes banning 2-5 people for life (if public and loud) before 99% of the players stay away from duped boxes.

[dcstogner]

khyber is full of people using duped boxes , even the big well known guilds are doing it.

[devashta]

/not signed.

1. TR/eTR/Racial TR is personal choice of a player. It is not required to play the game. The number of lives a person has and how he had it (playing, boxing) has no impact on my and your gameplay.
2. We have been asking Turbine to remove the XP penalty for TRs so new players, returning players can catch up IF they want to. 10 years+ and it is still on deaf ears. Recently I posted a suggestion to allow power-levelling which was voted down by both Turbine and some players, which would been a legitimate way to level up alts.
3. Price of Ottos box at store, the way epic and Improved epic were setup, all points to a creating a wall and then asking players to pay massively to bypass that wall. Someone clever found a way to make this cheaper. Capitalism always wins, as former USSR can attest.
4. This has made people to roll up alts and get to cap for raiding, keeping cap scene a bit more tolerant.
5. This has made lot of people who left DDO, come back and are on TR train to complete their lives.

TLDR: There are lot of benefits I can see from this saga for both players and (maybe) Turbine. Leave it as is.

Note: I play first life barb, I do not like TR system as-is, don't plan on doing one anytime soon(R).