Heroic/Epic Otto's Boxes need immediate attention

[Cashiry]

Can you please make all boxes and XP stones in those boxes bound to account immediately? It is getting out of hand the amount of duped boxes out there.

I was offered a heroic otto's box for a piece of raid loot today. As tempting as it was, i decided not to do the trade and placed the item up for roll due to the fear of being banned. The reasoning is, how am I to know if the Otto's box was legitimately bought in the DDO Store or duped. In fears of being banned I did not make the trade.


So, you have some players out there that are unawares of the duped boxes, so if and when the ban hammer drops and they made a trade for a duped box and get banned. Is that really fare because Standing Stone has not made a stand or announcement of the ramifications of making such a trade.


The simple fix is to make all current and future boxes bound to account. Then you can easily find out who is duping and drop the hammer on them.

As a player that has been playing on and off from launch of the game. I have never seen it this bad for duping. This needs to be addressed sooner than later.

Thx.

V/R

[mikarddo]

Duped boxes are very bad both for the playerbase and for SSG. It is sadness at its worse.

[Elfishski]

Can you please make all boxes bound to account immediately? It is getting out of hand the amount of duped boxes out there.
V/R

Yeah, allowing the previous round with the anniversary cards to go on for too long and too blatantly nearly killed the game off (and permanently changed the way people played for the worse), don't make the same mistake again if it's not too late. I haven't seen it in the wild, but if it's happening then this seems like an obvious and vital fix.

[thedip]

Please make them BTA, I've never understood why they aren't.

There have been quite a few on the shard AH recently, maybe they are expecting a clamp down or trying to sell them prior to the new class and race in Feywild?

It would be wrong to ban people for buying them from the AH when it is a legitimate sale item according to SSG (otherwise they would be BTA or BTC).

[HungarianRhapsody]

I don’t understand why they weren’t BtA from the first, but I’m also surprised that a thread talking about massive duping exploits hasn’t been cubed yet.

[SpartanKiller13]

I got traded a Tenser's Weapon Box for some stuff the other day which I was super grateful for (I was short 30k SXP of my optimal setup), now I'm a little worried that it was a duped box lol.

Like I would pretty happily lose 30k SXP instead of getting my account banned (no way is my account worth that little to me), but I'd much have preferred to know in advance that it was a risk...

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It's also a little disappointing seeing people seemingly getting away with spamming duped boxes and getting tons of PL's without paying for it, while legitimate players are at their usual rate of progress.

[That_arrow_guy]

I do not agree with you on this. I run two accounts and I spend my points even in both. I could not buy all the boxes I would want/need if they are bta.


Also, you are being scared of something you do not know was duped or not and now you want to ruin it for everyone? Shame.

[ggmarquez]

...and getting tons of PL's without paying for it, while legitimate players are at their usual rate of progress.

i used to feel that way about it. i noticed some time ago now, a small but growing number of players on my server were doing the 15-29 then run a set list of cherry-picked quests on r10 thing. i was still finishing up my project to see how long it would actually take me to hit 75 reaper points and racial completionist on an alt. it bothered me. i started taking screen shots every day. my "friends" list grew. then i tried to work out exactly how many boxes are in cold storage across each server. staggering. and then i tried to determine how much rxp these guys must be pulling in a day. 250k+ seems a conservative estimate. not quite so bad as amber temple in its hay-day. but still...

now i don't even notice it any more. if some players found a workaround for advancing alts at a rate they have decided is acceptable to them... well it's their account, their risk... personally won't use boxes but i understand the motive. i have no intention of letting my fun be ruined by someone else, especially someone i'm not even in group with.

[slarden]

It would be wrong to ban people for buying them from the AH when it is a legitimate sale item according to SSG (otherwise they would be BTA or BTC).

Partially agree. Since people are "cleansing" their duped boxes through the ASAH they should look for abusive patterns where people are buying high amounts of boxes for cheap through the ASAH. This is a sign someone is using an alt account to dupe and then cleanse the boxes through the ASAH to pass to their main account.

And yes people are using duped boxes for many reasons - past lifes yes but also resetting first time rxp bonuses for a 30 run - etr / tr - use dupe boxes - rinse and repeat. This can be done legitimately for high $ but now is being done in mass by dupers.

Hence the sudden climb in people wanting new rewards for high reaper points.

The whole reaper system is tainted and I hope they don't reward dupers with high reaper point rewards.

[timmy9999]

Partially agree. Since people are "cleansing" their duped boxes through the ASAH they should look for abusive patterns where people are buying high amounts of boxes for cheap through the ASAH. This is a sign someone is using an alt account to dupe and then cleanse the boxes through the ASAH to pass to their main account.

And yes people are using duped boxes for many reasons - past lifes yes but also resetting first time rxp bonuses for a 30 run - etr / tr - use dupe boxes - rinse and repeat. This can be done legitimately for high $ but now is being done in mass by dupers.

Hence the sudden climb in people wanting new rewards for high reaper points.

The whole reaper system is tainted and I hope they don't reward dupers with high reaper point rewards.

What a load of rubbish, stacks of player on kyber have wings and are close to the 100 reaper point mark, i know most the people wouldn't risk 10 year of work on cheating. You are assuming. In kyber we pug r10s all the time as standard, that's how we got our points...hard work. Instead of pointing fingers swap servers and see

[slarden]

What a load of rubbish, stacks of player on kyber have wings and are close to the 100 reaper point mark, i know most the people wouldn't risk 10 year of work on cheating. You are assuming. In kyber we pug r10s all the time as standard, that's how we got our points...hard work. Instead of pointing fingers swap servers and see

I am not pointing fingers at anyone - just saying the whole reaper system is tainted due to cheating. I earned my 3 characters wings and 100+ points honestly long before the duping started but it doesn't change the fact that system is tainted due to cheating. With double-boxing people can earn rxp at a tremendously fast rate by running only level 30s on higher skulls for big rxp then TR then double box up to 30 with very little questing with duped boxes. With an iconic triple boxing with duped boxes you can get to 30 with no running prior to 30. This was done honestly through purchases prior to the duping and now is done with duped boxes as well.

It's unfortunate but it's true. It doesn't take away from anything I or anyone earned honestly - but I don't want to see cheaters further rewarded so I hope the devs fully understand how people are cheating and the benefits they are gaining. Duping boxes, cleansing through the ASAH, using on their main accounts to get past lifes and rxp very fast.

Players who don’t cheat should still reasonably fear being accused of cheating ESPECIALLY if receiving duped goods is the level of cheating that a company decides to sue. Because you can’t know if something that you bought off the AH or ASAH was duped or not and you can’t know if something you got in a trade was duped or not.

This is true and a few people from the previous duping bans said they were banned for purchasing mats from the ASAH. Whether they were cleansing duped goods through the ASAH and actually guilty - I have no idea.

In all honesty I would not even purchase or use boxes right now for fear of being labeled a cheater and/or reported. Because honest people frustrated with duping can also get a little crazy with their accusations sometimes.

[Veltamore]

Can you please make all boxes and XP stones in those boxes bound to account immediately? It is getting out of hand the amount of duped boxes out there.

I was offered a heroic otto's box for a piece of raid loot today. As tempting as it was, i decided not to do the trade and placed the item up for roll due to the fear of being banned. The reasoning is, how am I to know if the Otto's box was legitimately bought in the DDO Store or duped. In fears of being banned I did not make the trade.


So, you have some players out there that are unawares of the duped boxes, so if and when the ban hammer drops and they made a trade for a duped box and get banned. Is that really fare because Standing Stone has not made a stand or announcement of the ramifications of making such a trade.


The simple fix is to make all current and future boxes bound to account. Then you can easily find out who is duping and drop the hammer on them.

As a player that has been playing on and off from launch of the game. I have never seen it this bad for duping. This needs to be addressed sooner than later.

Thx.

V/R

Yes it is way out of hand and something needs to be done about it.

[timmy9999]

ok to settle everyone's anxiety, and to add more flavour. Its ssg putting the boxes on the AH not dupers. They get twice or 3 times the money for them...think about it. So stop pointing fingers, people are a pending like crazy buying shards on special. Its the perfect crime. Why else would this post still be up....

[nokowi]

ok to settle everyone's anxiety, and to add more flavour. Its ssg putting the boxes on the AH not dupers. They get twice or 3 times the money for them...think about it. So stop pointing fingers, people are a pending like crazy buying shards on special. Its the perfect crime. Why else would this post still be up....

There is a set of the population who just love conspiracy theories.

It's a judgement call by Cordovan, but in the past it has generally been okay to talk about a commonly known issue, as long as the mechanism for doing so is not being shared and as long as locations for learning how to do so are not being shared.

When SSG pretends a well known problem doesn't exists, they look incompetent. In my opinion, it's better to allow productive talk than to try to hide from the reality of their game.

Ultimately it's a judgement call from one person, when and why to close a thread. No conspiracy theory is needed.

[Captain_Wizbang]

No conspiracy theory is needed.

Look bro,I just spent 12 hours making my new solar powered tinfoil hat.

I WANT and NEED a juicy conspiracy to brighten my day. The "hey Lynnabel" thread is just too boring. And Im sick and tired of S&B, Reaper, HCL, Monks are nerfed, nerf warlocks, and pew pew threads that are...........well let's just say those threads have no "aha" moments.

[SerPounce]

There is a set of the population who just love conspiracy theories.

It's a judgement call by Cordovan, but in the past it has generally been okay to talk about a commonly known issue, as long as the mechanism for doing so is not being shared and as long as locations for learning how to do so are not being shared.

When SSG pretends a well known problem doesn't exists, they look incompetent. In my opinion, it's better to allow productive talk than to try to hide from the reality of their game.

Ultimately it's a judgement call from one person, when and why to close a thread. No conspiracy theory is needed.

Well said.

I would however really like to know if it's safe for me to buy those Otto's on the AH. I'm inclined to think that since they must know about them at this point and they're still there that as a bona fide purchaser with no actual knowledge of exploits that I'd be OK, but I'm not confident enough in that to risk my account. Sure is it's certainly tempting though!

[nokowi]

Well said.

I would however really like to know if it's safe for me to buy those Otto's on the AH. I'm inclined to think that since they must know about them at this point and they're still there that as a bona fide purchaser with no actual knowledge of exploits that I'd be OK, but I'm not confident enough in that to risk my account. Sure is it's certainly tempting though!

Sure, that makes sense, but it's in their best interest not to tell you.

[kpak01]

I would however really like to know if it's safe for me to buy those Otto's on the AH. I'm inclined to think that since they must know about them at this point and they're still there that as a bona fide purchaser with no actual knowledge of exploits that I'd be OK, but I'm not confident enough in that to risk my account. Sure is it's certainly tempting though!

I traded for one box, which I haven't used yet, a couple months ago before all this duping stuff came out. I wasn't in a hurry to use it, but, yeah, now I do want to know if I can EVER use it, without getting banned or whatever. Am I at risk simply for having it in my bank?