Brainstorming a "hide" build

[Urklie]

When it comes to hide, sneaking I think of 3 classes:
- rogue assassin
- monk ninja spy
- ranger deepwood stalker

a combination of 2 of those would probably work well.
Monk offers much however in order to work well it needs many monk levels

assassin and deepwood stalker seem to be 2 sides of the same coin, both have "killer", idk if they stack.
an assassin wears light armor, a monk wears.. robes

Races
- halfling
comes to mind

The idea is, evade fights, sneak - and quickly - through dungeons. But have kaboom for bosses.

Weapon Kukri, assassin and ninja would work well but in robes so spike dodge
The question is, have 2 rogue levels and 12 ranger 6 monk, or 12 monk 6 ranger?
11 levels of ranger = greater twf
6 ranger = improved twf
9 monk = improved evasion
13 monk = diamond soul

That's all I've got for now, tired

[C-Dog]

Player Character Stealth is borked right now - I've never tried one much above Stealthy Repossession, but I read/hear lots of complaints at higher level Heroics, and certainly Epic. Someone will drop by and explain why Hide is not the way to go. I do know that one way it fails is that many Champs and Reapers have no-fail Spot rolls.

Otoh, I hear that Invis is useless, and I know for a fact that's just not the case, so... not sure where that leaves us.


re "Killer" - Usually, enhancements by the same name do not stack. Can't say for sure, that's the general rule.

[TitusOvid]

Hey Urklie,

as C-Dog pointed out sneak/hide play is borked for some time now. And so there are not many up-to-date builds around.

But check out Saekee's wiki page: https://ddowiki.com/page/User:Saekee He lists some nice pages that might help, some builds among other things.

Cheers,
Titus.

[Buddha5440]

Otoh, I hear that Invis is useless, and I know for a fact that's just not the case, so... not sure where that leaves us.

This is usually something posted by people who use an invis spell/potion/clicky and have no move silent skill. While the mobs can't see you, they can hear/locate you (if you're running in a suit of platemail I will hear you even if I can't see you). However, stealth is, and has been for a while, a mess.

[unbongwah]

Update 45 made some stealth changes. The good news is monster detection radius was reduced; the bad news is the stealth movement speed bonuses were nerfed and no longer stack. So you've lost the big incentive for heavy multi-classing a stealth build.

Stealth has been effectively useless in Reapers for a long time and since Reapers is the only thing the community apparently cares about, nobody builds around stealth anymore, AFAICT. OTOH if you just want to solo non-Reapers, you could probably make it work.

[C-Dog]

I'll add that I remembered using Stealth to farm the Silver Slinger chest in Servants of the Overlord, a Level 16 quest, so it works there.

I'm thinking that one complaint has been that stealthy characters cannot currently stealth in combat to assassinate target after target in a chaotic melee - iirc?

[Buddha5440]

I'll add that I remembered using Stealth to farm the Silver Slinger chest in Servants of the Overlord, a Level 16 quest, so it works there.

I'm thinking that one complaint has been that stealthy characters cannot currently stealth in combat to assassinate target after target in a chaotic melee - iirc?

Stealth does certainly work there but many people associate invisibility with stealth and vice-versa. Stealth is both hiding and being quiet. Invisibility is simply hiding. If you move, mobs might just hear you

However, having mobs from another room know where you are without ever having a line of sight on you before you go back into stealth is wrong.

[DYWYPI]

Many newer quests tend to require you to kill mobs to progress to and open doors, etc.

Spot distance was never the problem with Rogue Stealth play: Post Reaper mode, anyway. It's faulty chain reaction aggravation that's the problem, not spot proximity. Any Assassin worth their salt with trash gear can easily approach a generic mob to Assassinate and not get detected and Spot range was never the main issue with the current faulty stealth mechanics (from the players perspective).

I do prefer to silently neutralise and thin out certain targets due to the current malfunctioning chain reaction aggravation.

I can inform you it's not generally a 25 or 18 metre distance that's a problem with potentially being detected. It's trivial to get much closer and not be noticed.

It took several years and not until [U45.2], before there was any further DDO Developer response to any Assassin enthusiast, with regards to honest questions about using; Sneak or Stealth, etc. It happened to be me that got the first response (we're talking about 3 years of total silence from SSG up until that post). Refer to: [Post #90]. :-)

If you read Torc's response you'll realise that they still have major problems with the (mis)behaviour of mobs and the faulty aggravation system.

If you, drop into Sneak with a generic level appropriate Rogue and visit the Level 6 F2P quest: The Forgotten Caverns. Observe what the swimming Orche Jelly usually does, and which mob it 'specifically' sends a message to, and thus also aggravates. If you don't already notice things like that then you probably aren't into stealthy play style.

I exclusively play Assassins when at Epic and the majority of the time I'll solo them.

I'm not really into the hardcore "minimum kill discreet stealth runs" I tend to clear all the mobs rather than leave them living. I just rolled a 'default path' throwaway first life Rogue to prove you didn't need a specialised build, when doing several of the Stealth Challenges. R.O.G.U.E Part Quatre: Call for Stealthy Players!, see [Post #375]. There are some very good videos in that thread but its mainly for showcasing Rogues that try to avoid all unnecessary combat. :-)

Sneaking past mobs to avoid combat and Stealth play are two totally different concepts; any fool can avoid being detected by mobs if they are only travelling from point: A to B to avoid combat. Whereas proper Stealth play takes time and patience.

[C-Dog]

Good points D, thx for being a voice of experience.

Stealth is both hiding and being quiet. Invisibility is simply hiding. If you move, mobs might just hear you

While this is true, it's also possibly misleading - Invisibility actually can be either better than or worse than Hiding, depending on what you're trying to avoid.

Most(!) mobs have a Spot roll - Invisibility will always beat that, 100% of the time. Dropping back down the shaft in Coalescence Chamber w/ Invisibility is wonderful - no mobs spot you, no DA, all good.

Note that that doesn't mean they won't hear you if you are not Moving Silently, but they won't Spot you.

However, some mobs have True Seeing, and that simply ignores Invisibility. And by "some" I mean "enough that you should not rely on it". More than just Champs and Reapers.

(And of course then there are mobs w/ Tremor-sense (like spiders and oozes, among others), who can detect anyone who walks nearby, regardless. Those you just have to keep your distance, and/or run past.)

I made a Rogue multi-class build that had only Move Silently and an Invis clickie - not b/c I thought it would work 100%, but b/c I had the clickie and the build didn't have enough Skill Points for both MS & Hide. And, predictably, sometimes it worked, and sometimes it didn't, which for me was enough, better than nothing.

Just so everyone is clear on that point.

[Urklie]

This is some excellent feedback, thank you.
It was aimed at the hardcore server, the idea was simply, why make a powerful build and waste time fighting enemies when you can just evade them and only fight those who are part of the quest objective.

bad news about the stealth boni not stacking
good news that I don't have to try and fit 3 classes into 1 build

That still makes me think since you've been essentially been waving the herring around my nose, some wizard, sorc, bard or warlock levels for invisibility
Wiki says invisibility is spot immunity if outside 2m range of mob, while hiding/stealth does not make you immune to spot.

However Monk Ninja Spy gets invisibility at Monk 6 and 10+1 AP, take unabalancing strike for steak attack vulnearability = 12ap, leaves us 68ap.
Vistani Knife Fighter 41AP
Why Vistani? Because I bought it today
But it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. It will probably perform quite alright but I feel like I'm trying to fit something cinderella style.

The Deflect Arrows at 10, because there was nothing better to pick, and I'd like to have spring attack asap for jumping over traps.
4 ranger levels early for jump
Since there is no rogue in it anymore, I did away with it for 9 monk and improved evasion, which also relaxed the need for 16 INT.
Ninja Spy: Flash Bang 3 is nice to have, but so is DWS: Killer 3
I opted for Killer because my 14 Monk currently feels a bit weak in the DPS department and relies of WW-Attack which is on a short cd, but has a cooldown.
Why would one pick Ranger? For the free TWF feats. But when you have the DEX why pick Ranger?
This build would probably work okish, however I'm thinking about a WIS based Ranger Monk hybrid with Falconry.


Character name: Halfling VKF DWS Ninja HC
Classes: 11 Ranger, 10 Epic, 9 Monk
Race: Halfling· · · · · · ·Alignment: Lawful Neutral

· · ·Start Tome Final
Str:· · ·8· · 0 · ·10 · · ·HP:· · · · 485 · · ·AC:· · 29
Dex:· · 17· · 0 · ·26 · · ·PRR: · · · ·22
Con:· · 16· · 0 · ·18 · · ·MRR: · · · ·22 · · ·+Healing Amp:· · ·0
Int:· · 13· · 0 · ·15 · · ·Dodge: · 13/25 · · ·-Healing Amp:· · ·0
Wis:· · 14· · 0 · ·16 · · ·Fort:· · · ·0% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · ·0
Cha:· · ·8· · 0 · ·10 · · ·SR:· · · · · 0 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 17
DR:
Immunities: Fear, Level Drain, Disease

Saves:
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Fortitude:· · · · ·23
· vs Poison:· · · ·23
· vs Disease: · · ·23
Will: · · · · · · ·20
· vs Enchantment: ·22
· vs Illusion:· · ·20
· vs Fear:· · · · ·22
· vs Curse: · · · ·20
Reflex: · · · · · ·27
· vs Traps: · · · ·27
· vs Spell: · · · ·27
· vs Magic: · · · ·27
Marked with a * is no fail on a 1 if required DC met

Energy· · · ·Resistance and Absorbance
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Acid: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Chaos:· · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Cold: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Electric: · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Evil: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Fire: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Force:· · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Good: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Lawful: · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Light:· · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Negative: · · · · · · 0 · · · · · ·25%
Poison: · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Sonic:· · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%

Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Monk(1) · · · · ·Standard: Dodge
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Monk Bonus: Stunning Fist
2 · · Monk(2) · · · · ·Monk Bonus: Mobility
3 · · Monk(3) · · · · ·Standard: Combat Expertise
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Monk Philosophy: Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
4 · · Ranger(1) · · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Elemental
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
5 · · Ranger(2) · · · ·
6 · · Ranger(3) · · · ·Standard: Spring Attack
7 · · Ranger(4) · · · ·
8 · · Monk(4) · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
9 · · Monk(5) · · · · ·Standard: Whirlwind Attack
10· · Monk(6) · · · · ·Monk Bonus: Deflect Arrows
11· · Monk(7) · · · · ·
12· · Monk(8) · · · · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
13· · Monk(9) · · · · ·
14· · Ranger(5) · · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Evil Outsider
15· · Ranger(6) · · · ·Standard: Master of Forms
16· · Ranger(7) · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
17· · Ranger(8) · · · ·
18· · Ranger(9) · · · ·Standard: Two Weapon Defense
19· · Ranger(10)· · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Human
20· · Ranger(11)· · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·
23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Empty Feat Slot

Skills
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Skill Points· · ·20 ·5· 5 ·7· 7 ·7· 7 ·5· 5 ·5· 5 ·5· 5 ·7· 7 ·7· 7 ·7· 7 ·7
Skill Name· · · ·01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20· Total Buffed
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Balance · · · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·½· ½ ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·2· 2 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·24.0 · 42.0
Bluff · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Concentration · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 37.0
Diplomacy · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 11.0
Disable Device· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Haggle· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Heal· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 13.0
Hide· · · · · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 61.0
Intimidate· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · ·6.0
Jump· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 42.0
Listen· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 25.0
Move Silently · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 49.0
Open Lock · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 18.0
Perform · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Repair· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Search· · · · · · · · · · ·1· 1 · · · · · · · · · ·½· ½ ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·10.0 · 22.0
Spell Craft · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Spot· · · · · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 46.0
Swim· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Tumble· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 18.0
Use Magic Device· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
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Available Points· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·2· 2 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 -2 -2 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0
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Enhancements: 80 APs
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Vistani Knife Fighter - Points spent: 41
1 Core ·(1) Knife Expertise
2 Tier1 (1) Vistani Knife Training I
3 Tier1 (1) Undead Hunter
4 Tier1 (2) Mist Stalker I
5 Core ·(1) Knife Juggler
6 Tier2 (2) Vistani Knife Training II
7 Tier2 (2) Mist Stalker II
8 Core ·(1) Quick Reflexes
9 Tier3 (2) Mist Stalker III
10 Tier3 (2) Deadly Blades
11 Tier2 (1) Weapon Versatility
12 Tier1 (2) Rapid Attack
13 Tier2 (1) Haste Boost
14 Tier2 (1) Haste Boost
15 Tier2 (1) Haste Boost
16 Core ·(1) One With Blades
17 Tier3 (2) Vistani Knife Training III
18 Tier4 (2) Vistani Knife Training IV
19 Tier4 (1) Celerity
20 Tier4 (2) Mist Stalker IV
21 Tier4 (2) Double Daggers: Double Daggers
22 Core ·(1) Vistani Fortune
23 Tier5 (2) Vistani Knife Training V
24 Tier5 (2) Mist Stalker V
25 Tier5 (2) Blessed Blades
26 Tier5 (2) Vendetta
27 Core ·(1) Knife Master
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Deepwood Stalker - Points spent: 25
1 Core ·(1) Far Shot
2 Tier1 (1) Favored Defense
3 Tier1 (1) Favored Defense
4 Tier1 (1) Favored Defense
5 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
6 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
7 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
8 Core ·(1) Sneak Attack
9 Tier2 (2) Survivalist I
10 Tier3 (2) Survivalist II
11 Tier3 (1) Thrill of the Hunt
12 Tier3 (1) Thrill of the Hunt
13 Tier3 (1) Thrill of the Hunt
14 Tier3 (1) Favored Hunter
15 Tier3 (1) Favored Hunter
16 Tier3 (1) Favored Hunter
17 Core ·(1) Called Shot: Exposing Strike
18 Tier1 (1) Increased Empathy
19 Tier4 (2) Survivalist III
20 Tier4 (1) Killer
21 Tier4 (1) Killer
22 Tier4 (1) Killer
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Ninja Spy - Points spent: 14
1 Core ·(1) Basic Ninja Training
2 Tier1 (2) Sneak Attack Training I
3 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
4 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
5 Core ·(1) Advanced Ninja Training
6 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
7 Tier2 (2) Sneak Attack Training II
8 Tier2 (2) Elemental Ki Strikes: Unbalancing Strike
9 Core ·(1) Shadow Veil
10 Tier3 (2) Sneak Attack Training III
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Spell Like / Special Abilities
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Wild Empathy· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
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Weapon Damage
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Melee Power:· 50.0
Doublestrike: 10%
Strikethrough: 20%
Off-Hand attack Chance: 80%
Off-Hand Doublestrike: 10%
Fortification Bypass: 0%
Dodge Bypass: 0%
Helpless Damage bonus: 50%
Ranged Power: 50.0· ·with Manyshot active: 118.0
Doubleshot Chance: 10%

Sneak Attack Attack bonus: 3
Sneak Attack Damage: 6d6+0



This Falconer Ninja is really weak on the defensive side.
The question was either go full ranger or 17 ranger/3 rogue, 17 ranger - hide in plain sight, apparently an invisibility spell equivalent.
full ranger 6 AP, actually 3 AP wasted for the pre-requisite for improved evasion in Tempest
The result was similar to this Falconer Ninja, low RR, and then there's the question why spike WIS at all and no go just pure Tempest/DWS, mix in some rogue and there's your Tempest Trapmonkey™.

And the problem with this build, you're not a full monk ninja so you can't just Touch of Death because you're lacking Monk levels.
So Falconer it is and we go all in into Falconer (well almost, we didn't grab the good stuff™ - action boost sprint which could theoretically let us run away, out of detection range and stealth).
Since we don't have much RR, we rely on blinding enemies.
Which weapons? Short swords I guess, since it seems to be the only option to not become uncentered.

I'm not sure about stunning fist working with short swords. If not I guess replace it with improved trip, you need some tools to take out dangerous casters quickly (you have unbalancing strike already, so toughness might also be an option, those cyclone spitting hounds like to instakill low hp chars).

Falconer looks like it's really high dps and burstable with AOE capability.
Instead of Falconry: Tear Flesh one could put 1 point in Henshin Mystic for the 3 Melee Power and 3 PRR
Idk if you need Sting of the Ninja in order for Deadly Exploits to work, if yes we get rid of Deadly Exploits and put them in Way of the patient turtle and action boost sprint
Ocean stance always.

If you feel safer with Improved Evasion at level 9 rather than 11 go Monk 9 first.

Character name: Birderer
Classes: 11 Ranger, 10 Epic, 9 Monk
Race: Aasimar · · · · · · ·Alignment: Lawful Neutral

· · ·Start Tome Final
Str:· · ·9· · 0 · ·11 · · ·HP:· · · · 480 · · ·AC:· · 28
Dex:· · 13· · 0 · ·15 · · ·PRR: · · · ·12
Con:· · 16· · 0 · ·18 · · ·MRR: · · · · 6 · · ·+Healing Amp:· · ·0
Int:· · 14· · 0 · ·16 · · ·Dodge: · 13/28 · · ·-Healing Amp:· · ·0
Wis:· · 18· · 0 · ·29 · · ·Fort:· · · ·0% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · ·0
Cha:· · ·8· · 0 · ·10 · · ·SR:· · · · · 0 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 17
DR:
Immunities: Disease, Blindness

Saves:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fortitude:· · · · ·22
· vs Poison:· · · ·22
· vs Disease: · · ·22
Will: · · · · · · ·23
· vs Enchantment: ·25
· vs Illusion:· · ·23
· vs Fear:· · · · ·23
· vs Curse: · · · ·23
Reflex: · · · · · ·23
· vs Traps: · · · ·23
· vs Spell: · · · ·23
· vs Magic: · · · ·23
Marked with a * is no fail on a 1 if required DC met

Energy· · · ·Resistance and Absorbance
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Acid: · · · · · · · · 5 · · · · · · 0%
Chaos:· · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Cold: · · · · · · · · 5 · · · · · · 0%
Electric: · · · · · · 5 · · · · · · 0%
Evil: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Fire: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Force:· · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Good: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Lawful: · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Light:· · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Negative: · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Poison: · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Sonic:· · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%

Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Ranger(1) · · · ·Standard: Dodge
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Aasimar Bond: Aasimar: Protector Bond
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Undead
2 · · Ranger(2) · · · ·
3 · · Monk(1) · · · · ·Standard: Mobility
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Monk Bonus: Combat Expertise
4 · · Monk(2) · · · · ·Monk Bonus: Deflect Arrows
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Wisdom: +1 Level up
5 · · Monk(3) · · · · ·Monk Philosophy: Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
6 · · Monk(4) · · · · ·Standard: Spring Attack
7 · · Monk(5) · · · · ·
8 · · Monk(6) · · · · ·Monk Bonus: Toughness
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Wisdom: +1 Level up
9 · · Monk(7) · · · · ·Standard: Whirlwind Attack
10· · Monk(8) · · · · ·
11· · Monk(9) · · · · ·
12· · Ranger(3) · · · ·Standard: Master of Forms
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Wisdom: +1 Level up
13· · Ranger(4) · · · ·
14· · Ranger(5) · · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Elemental
15· · Ranger(6) · · · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
16· · Ranger(7) · · · ·Wisdom: +1 Level up
17· · Ranger(8) · · · ·
18· · Ranger(9) · · · ·Standard: Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
19· · Ranger(10)· · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Evil Outsider
20· · Ranger(11)· · · ·Wisdom: +1 Level up
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·
23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Wisdom: +1 Level up
25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Wisdom: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Empty Feat Slot

Skills
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Skill Points· · ·32 ·8· 6 ·6· 6 ·6· 6 ·6· 6 ·6· 6 ·8· 8 ·8· 8 ·8· 8 ·8· 8 ·8
Skill Name· · · ·01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20· Total Buffed
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Balance · · · · · 2 ·½· 2 ·2· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·½· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·22.0 · 34.0
Bluff · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Concentration · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 40.0
Diplomacy · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Disable Device· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 13.0
Haggle· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Heal· · · · · · · 4 ·1· · · · ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·3· 2 ·2· 2 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·22.5 · 43.5
Hide· · · · · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 48.0
Intimidate· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Jump· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 40.0
Listen· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 37.0
Move Silently · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 38.0
Open Lock · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Perform · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Repair· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 13.0
Search· · · · · · 4 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·10.0 · 23.0
Spell Craft · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 13.0
Spot· · · · · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 60.0
Swim· · · · · · · 3 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 4.0 · 14.0
Tumble· · · · · · ½ · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.5 · 12.5
Use Magic Device· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
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Available Points· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0
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Enhancements: 80 APs
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Falconry - Points spent: 51
1 Core ·(1) Summon Falcon: Summon White Falcon
2 Tier1 (1) Rugged
3 Tier1 (1) Rugged
4 Tier1 (1) Rugged
5 Tier1 (1) Practiced Accuracy
6 Core ·(2) Ability I: Wisdom
7 Tier2 (2) Killer Instinct I
8 Tier1 (1) Practiced Accuracy
9 Tier3 (2) Killer Instinct II
10 Tier3 (2) Tear Flesh
11 Tier3 (2) Conditioning
12 Tier3 (2) Eyes of the Eagle
13 Core ·(1) Well Rounded I
14 Tier2 (1) Watch the Center
15 Tier4 (1) Deadly Instinct
16 Tier4 (1) Deadly Instinct
17 Tier4 (1) Deadly Instinct
18 Core ·(2) Ability II: Wisdom
19 Tier4 (1) Expose Weakness
20 Tier4 (1) Coordinated Strikes: Coordinated Cleave
21 Tier4 (2) Shared Vision
22 Tier4 (1) No Mercy
23 Core ·(1) Well Rounded II
24 Tier4 (1) No Mercy
25 Tier4 (1) No Mercy
26 Tier5 (2) Dangerous
27 Tier5 (1) Death From Above: Death From Above
28 Tier5 (1) Death From Above: Death From Above
29 Tier5 (1) Death From Above: Death From Above
30 Tier5 (1) Thrill of the Hunt: Thrill of the Hunt
31 Tier5 (1) Thrill of the Hunt: Thrill of the Hunt
32 Tier5 (1) Thrill of the Hunt: Thrill of the Hunt
33 Tier5 (1) Mark the Prey: Mark the Prey
34 Core ·(1) Master Falconer
35 Tier3 (1) Strike for the Eyes: Strike for the Eyes
36 Tier3 (1) Strike for the Eyes: Strike for the Eyes
37 Tier3 (1) Strike for the Eyes: Strike for the Eyes
38 Tier2 (1) Watch the Center
39 Tier2 (1) Watch the Center
40 Tier2 (1) Diving Attack: Diving Strike
41 Tier2 (1) Diving Attack: Diving Strike
42 Tier2 (1) Diving Attack: Diving Strike
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Ninja Spy - Points spent: 29
1 Core ·(1) Basic Ninja Training
2 Tier1 (1) Ninjutsu I: Ninja Spy: Impending Doom
3 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
4 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
5 Tier1 (1) Stealthy
6 Core ·(1) Advanced Ninja Training
7 Tier2 (2) Elemental Ki Strikes: Unbalancing Strike
8 Tier2 (1) Agility
9 Tier2 (1) Agility
10 Tier2 (1) Agility
11 Core ·(1) Shadow Veil
12 Tier1 (2) Sneak Attack Training I
13 Tier2 (2) Sneak Attack Training II
14 Tier3 (2) Sneak Attack Training III
15 Tier2 (1) Ninjutsu II: Poison Exploit
16 Tier3 (1) Ninjutsu III: Poisoned Soul
17 Tier4 (1) Ninjutsu IV: Wave of Despair
18 Tier4 (2) Deadly Exploits
19 Tier4 (2) Deadly Exploits
20 Tier4 (2) Deadly Exploits
21 Tier4 (2) Sneak Attack Training IV
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Spell Like / Special Abilities
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Healing Hands · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
Wild Empathy· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
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Weapon Damage
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Melee Power:· 48.0
Doublestrike: 0%
Strikethrough: 20%
Off-Hand attack Chance: 80%
Off-Hand Doublestrike: 0%
Fortification Bypass: 0%
Dodge Bypass: 0%
Helpless Damage bonus: 80%
Ranged Power: 46.0· ·with Manyshot active: 114.0
Doubleshot Chance: 0%

Sneak Attack Attack bonus: 4
Sneak Attack Damage: 4d6+0

[Coffey]

The idea is, evade fights, sneak - and quickly - through dungeons. But have kaboom for bosses.

Shadow Walk can help getting you past mobs in Stealth a bit faster?

[C-Dog]

It's a little faster, but the mobs still see you (unless you add Invis or Stealth to the mix), so you're not avoiding DA w/ that alone - and you take only 50% damage if any attack lands. But more, the graphics make it so unless you know the quest or there are clear landmarks (like a single halll, etc.), you can get disoriented and make a wrong turn very easily. It also drops if you have to open a door/throw a lever/turn a valve/etc.

...some wizard, sorc, bard or warlock levels for invisibility

1 level of Wiz gets you a 1 AP Invis SLA, plus the Wiz 1 metamagic feat*, plus 3 QoL spells - typically Shield, Jump +10, and your choice of {Prot from Evil, Obscuring Mist, Summon Monster 1}, plus 100% use of Level 1 & 2 arcane wands. (Remember this is a Wiz, so spell swapping is as tough as visiting your local tavern.)

* Augment Summoning for the dog chew-toy (which makes a surprisingly effective distraction even into Epics), or either Quicken or Maximize if you have a Healer (Halfling Cure SLA's maximized are extra nice), or Extend for buffs.