Lava Divers R10 Strahd -- World First Post Reaper Changes

[dg_evil]

The team finally convinced me to go back into Strahd. We did R10 today and it was actually not too bad. We got it on the first go and only took 69 minutes. Thanks to Epic, Grim, Stitchz, Favoh/Hannah, Sno, Deathrobot, Gunga, Kobe, Tanky, Jenn, Gisty. This was Hannah and Deathrobot's first time making it to one of our challenge raids which is super exciting.

We will be posting our video soon to document our completion.

Video: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/691822050

[Stormtrooper]

No

[Silverwindress]

please note i accidentally recalled before he took a screenshot xD (Grim )

[dg_evil]

No

Oh? You got a video of another completion?

[ddofatty]

Good job guys! You made it look easy.

[Arkat]

No

Oh? You got a video of another completion?

And one without using safe spots?

[Ladywolf]

Gratz! Nice going everyone!

[Gizah]

Congratulations to all! Beautiful flex Epicsoul

[Butchh]

Congrats on r10 Strahd! Though I'm a little bit confused on the use of safe spots invalidating the other r10 completions... does this mean that using safe spots such as sticking Gish (r8 PN) and camping underneath the stairs with all the forgewraiths (r2 THTH) should also be made null and void?

I'd like to see your stance on things here, as I said above I was a bit confused at the inconsistency of your attitude about safe spots.

[dg_evil]

Congrats on r10 Strahd! Though I'm a little bit confused on the use of safe spots invalidating the other r10 completions... does this mean that using safe spots such as sticking Gish (r8 PN) and camping underneath the stairs with all the forgewraiths (r2 THTH) should also be made null and void?

I'd like to see your stance on things here, as I said above I was a bit confused at the inconsistency of your attitude about safe spots.

There were people that complained about the way we did PN that happen to be the same people that safe spotted Strahd. My statement was directed at them. I would also say the way we did Gish in PN is not a "safe" spot in the same way that safe spots were used for previous Strahds.

[Epicsoul]

Beautiful flex Epicsoul

I practiced in front of a mirror for hours.

Congrats on r10 Strahd! Though I'm a little bit confused on the use of safe spots invalidating the other r10 completions... does this mean that using safe spots such as sticking Gish (r8 PN) and camping underneath the stairs with all the forgewraiths (r2 THTH) should also be made null and void?

Anytime someone is able to complete a raid without using safe spots versus using them, I consider that to be better completion. Complete R10 Strahd using a safe spot for the end fight? Cool. Complete it without using the safe spot? Better.

The same logic should apply to our R8 PN, or our subsequent completions of that raid. If others are able to complete without sticking Gish, I would have mad respect.

Should this invalidate the first R10 completion? I'm not sure, and it's subjective. Whatever the standard, I don't mind applying it across the board, including Lava Diver completions.

[Butchh]

I practiced in front of a mirror for hours.



Anytime someone is able to complete a raid without using safe spots versus using them, I consider that to be better completion. Complete R10 Strahd using a safe spot for the end fight? Cool. Complete it without using the safe spot? Better.

The same logic should apply to our R8 PN, or our subsequent completions of that raid. If others are able to complete without sticking Gish, I would have mad respect.

Should this invalidate the first R10 completion? I'm not sure, and it's subjective. Whatever the standard, I don't mind applying it across the board, including Lava Diver completions.

I agree 100% with a no safe spot completion being more impressive.

However, in my opinion World First stuff should be put on a pedestal, safe spotting or not. Subsequent completions will undoubtedly be better than the first with time and powercreep to go along with it, but recognising the first completion, immortalising it is important. R10 Strahd was beaten two years ago, the stuff we have now such as: EDF, Reaper Changes, Sharn Gear, more time to have farmed reaper points will all help a group cruise through r10 Strahd in a quarter of the time it took the first group to beat it.

At the end of the day, the game has changed completely over the past two years, metas have shifted drastically, the best r10 completion and the first r10 completion should be celebrated as two different achievements imo (provided the first isn't the only lol) and they should both be testimonies to the hard work and determination that went into the respective runs.

Once again congratulations on the r10 Strahd, you guys have really been laying down completion after completion and thoroughly deserve them.

[xTethx]

I agree 100% with a no safe spot completion being more impressive.

However, in my opinion World First stuff should be put on a pedestal, safe spotting or not. Subsequent completions will undoubtedly be better than the first with time and powercreep to go along with it, but recognising the first completion, immortalising it is important. R10 Strahd was beaten two years ago, the stuff we have now such as: EDF, Reaper Changes, Sharn Gear, more time to have farmed reaper points will all help a group cruise through r10 Strahd in a quarter of the time it took the first group to beat it.

At the end of the day, the game has changed completely over the past two years, metas have shifted drastically, the best r10 completion and the first r10 completion should be celebrated as two different achievements imo (provided the first isn't the only lol) and they should both be testimonies to the hard work and determination that went into the respective runs.

Once again congratulations on the r10 Strahd, you guys have really been laying down completion after completion and thoroughly deserve them.

This is the big thing. The first completions occurred with less reaper AP, old destinies, no revamped OP thf, bigger nerfed damage in reaper, and ofc way lower tiered gear. The new reapers add a twist, but hardly a challenge. Any r10 completion is an achievement, you just can’t compare completions unless they come from around the same time.

[Zeleron]

This is the big thing. The first completions occurred with less reaper AP, old destinies, no revamped OP thf, bigger nerfed damage in reaper, and ofc way lower tiered gear. The new reapers add a twist, but hardly a challenge. Any r10 completion is an achievement, you just can’t compare completions unless they come from around the same time.

I'm just waiting for the tier 4 raids Reaper 10 completions, those will be truly impressive. Especially THTH! Hopefully these will get done before Feywilds level increase though.

[dg_evil]

I agree 100% with a no safe spot completion being more impressive.

However, in my opinion World First stuff should be put on a pedestal, safe spotting or not. Subsequent completions will undoubtedly be better than the first with time and powercreep to go along with it, but recognising the first completion, immortalising it is important. R10 Strahd was beaten two years ago, the stuff we have now such as: EDF, Reaper Changes, Sharn Gear, more time to have farmed reaper points will all help a group cruise through r10 Strahd in a quarter of the time it took the first group to beat it.

At the end of the day, the game has changed completely over the past two years, metas have shifted drastically, the best r10 completion and the first r10 completion should be celebrated as two different achievements imo (provided the first isn't the only lol) and they should both be testimonies to the hard work and determination that went into the respective runs.

Once again congratulations on the r10 Strahd, you guys have really been laying down completion after completion and thoroughly deserve them.

I can't really argue with anything either of you are saying. I did take an aimed shot at a specific guild that I have heard recently re-united, and that has enjoyed taking shots at us in the past, in the hopes of rekindling some competition. I mean we are enjoying pushing stuff higher and competing with ourselves, but its more fun to compete with someone else. I am not trying to invalidate anyone else's accomplishments because, like you said, there has been a ton of power creep since the earlier completions. I will most likely update the OP to match the tone of our other accomplishment celebrations since the shot is reverberating a bit more than originally intended.

[Epicsoul]

However, in my opinion World First stuff should be put on a pedestal, safe spotting or not. Subsequent completions will undoubtedly be better than the first with time and powercreep to go along with it, but recognising the first completion, immortalising it is important. R10 Strahd was beaten two years ago, the stuff we have now such as: EDF, Reaper Changes, Sharn Gear, more time to have farmed reaper points will all help a group cruise through r10 Strahd in a quarter of the time it took the first group to beat it.

I largely agree with you, and I think the first completion and best completion are two different categories.

However, I'd have to consider whether safe spots, exploits, and the like should be considered in world first completions. It depends on what one considers the goal to be. Is the goal simply the completion with no concern for how a group gets there? Should world first completions encompass completing all parts of a raid legitimately? I don't know. Regardless, high reaper raid completions are impressive, and I congratulate all that are successful.

[SirValentine]

I'm just waiting for the tier 4 raids Reaper 10 completions, those will be truly impressive. Especially THTH! Hopefully these will get done before Feywilds level increase though.

I hope we might see R10 KT and PN before Feywild. I really don't expect to see an R10 THtH before Feywild.

[Carpone]

I'm just waiting for the tier 4 raids Reaper 10 completions, those will be truly impressive. Especially THTH! Hopefully these will get done before Feywilds level increase though.

In my opinion THTH is cancer. The raid has been overtuned from day 1, and the lag hasn't ever been addressed. After completing R2, I never want to step back into that raid again. There won't be an R10 completion of it for years.

[HungarianRhapsody]

If OP or any of the other Lava Divers or other raiding guilds are willing to share, please feel free to come by and comment on the debuffing thread. Knowing what debuffs to bring to a raid (and what debuffs don't work or are just generally pointless) could help PUGs or other guilds up their game and hopefully bring a little more activity to end game raids.

[dg_evil]

I hope we might see R10 KT and PN before Feywild. I really don't expect to see an R10 THtH before Feywild.

R10 PN is our current project and with luck it will be done before the next leg raids hit live. R10 KT is a hard sell because failures typically happen late in the raid and its so painful to restart after 90+ minutes. R10 THTH...no comment.