Heroic Version Of Iconic Races Please

[Drunkendex]

Iconics can't use a heroic heart of wood, therefore they are not a heroic race, they are an iconic race hence your logical failure.

*facepalm*

Iconics start at level 15, which is heroic difficulty level, so this is where your logic fails.

AGAIN: YOU EXPRESSED YOURSELF WRONGLY.

It has nothing with heart they use, it has with content level they start at.

I don't care if iconics get lvl 1 version, I just know you are only one who wants to call that version "heroic" *rolleyes*

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

*facepalm*

Iconics start at level 15, which is heroic difficulty level, so this is where your logic fails.

AGAIN: YOU EXPRESSED YOURSELF WRONGLY.

It has nothing with heart they use, it has with content level they start at.

I don't care if iconics get lvl 1 version, I just know you are only one who wants to call that version "heroic" *rolleyes*

What is a heroic past life?

What constitutes a heroic past life lays the groundworks for what is and is not a heroic character, hence Iconics are iconic characters, not heroic characters.

Heroic quest levels are an entirely different matter.

You are arrogantly arguing against the context I already laid down, I am talking about player races, not about quest levels, context matters and I clearly laid down the foundation for such context.

Heroic QUEST levels range from level 1-19, yes but I am not talking about quest levels, I am specifically talking about player races and if you state that you only have completed all of your heroic past lives, that would therefore mean that you did not complete any of your Iconic past lives as Iconic races are not heroic races.

[Discpsycho]

What constitutes a heroic past life lays the groundworks for what is and is not a heroic character, hence Iconics are iconic characters, not heroic characters.

And here I thought we were talking about 34-point builds the whole time...*/sarcasm*. Seriously though, this has been done before.

FWIW, Iconic True Reincarnations also give a heroic past life feat, so in addition to spending part of their time in heroic levels (1-19), my vote is in favor of Iconics being "heroic".

More productively, IBTL!

[Memnir]

[Drunkendex]

What is a heroic past life?

What constitutes a heroic past life lays the groundworks for what is and is not a heroic character, hence Iconics are iconic characters, not heroic characters.

Heroic quest levels are an entirely different matter.

You are arrogantly arguing against the context I already laid down, I am talking about player races, not about quest levels, context matters and I clearly laid down the foundation for such context.

Heroic QUEST levels range from level 1-19, yes but I am not talking about quest levels, I am specifically talking about player races and if you state that you only have completed all of your heroic past lives, that would therefore mean that you did not complete any of your Iconic past lives as Iconic races are not heroic races.

I'm arguing that entire community (except you) uses term "heroic" differently than you "laid out" here.

If this is logic you apply to all of your "suggestions" you like to post here, no wonder I have to wear mittens before reading them to avoid having a palm print on my face...

this is perfect answer:

Memnir, you really know how to find most appropriate gif/picture to comment.

[Memnir]

Memnir, you really know how to find most appropriate gif/picture to comment.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

And here I thought we were talking about 34-point builds the whole time...*/sarcasm*. Seriously though, this has been done before.

FWIW, Iconic True Reincarnations also give a heroic past life feat, so in addition to spending part of their time in heroic levels (1-19), my vote is in favor of Iconics being "heroic".

More productively, IBTL!

Iconic past lives do not give a heroic racial past life, only a class based past life try again!

Racial lives are the focus here, after all races are clearly the subject rather than classes. The racially based reincarnation benefit you get from an Iconic reincarnation is not a heroic racial past life but an Iconic past life, meanwhile Iconic races are actually variants of other races, oddly enough with Shadar-kai being a Shadowfell tainted variant of the Elf race in D&D cannon.

If you are playing as a Bladeforged and someone asks you whether you are playing a heroic or iconic race, what is the correct answer? There is only one correct answer to this question as the context implied through the terminology employed of "Heroic race" is contextually different to "Heroic levels" or "Heroic quests" as a heroic race is defined by minimum true reincarnation requirements.

Hero Status is an entirely different terminology, seems you are grasping at straws here.



The difference between a heroic and Iconic is not necessarily of the nature related to the starting level but the nature related to reincarnation limitations, hence the level cap required to initiate a true reincarnation, if the level cap required to initiate a true reincarnation is level 30, then that character is not a heroic character but an Iconic character. If the Level cap on DDO was level 40 when Iconics were first introduced, Iconics would likely start at level 20 rather than level 15.

A heroic racial past life can not be gained through Iconic reincarnation, hence Iconics are not heroic races!

[Drunkendex]

If the Level cap on DDO was level 40 when Iconics were first introduced, Iconics would likely start at level 20 rather than level 15.

Actually when iconics were introduced level cap was increased to 28...
https://ddowiki.com/page/Update_19_R...#Iconic_Heroes

And stop calling the rabbit a smeerp...
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...ARabbitASmeerp

OH! and Shadar Kai are considered human in DDO: https://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai#Racial_feats

EDIT:

and Emperor perverse me (*BLAM!*) I sure hope you're not expecting SSG to include 7 (!) new racial past lives... (times x3 for racial completionist... *SHUDDER*)