Heroic Version Of Iconic Races Please

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

Bladeforged and Shadar-kai are favorites of mine, however you must use +1 lesser hearts to remove the mandatory level.

Please release a heroic version of Iconic races so we can start at level 1 with them and not have to Iconic reincarnate, their trees are too fun!

Also, selling them for 5000 DDO points each would be justified

[FuzzyDuck81]

Can't see this being that likely to be implemented due to the design philosophies behind them.

[AlcoArgo]

No. Just no.

1) Iconics are already heroic toons. They start at 15
2) The point of Iconics is you get all the extra and unique bits because they are special. Deal with it. You can always play them from level 1. If that takes a heart then that is the price.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

No. Just no.

1) Iconics are already heroic toons. They start at 15
2) The point of Iconics is you get all the extra and unique bits because they are special. Deal with it. You can always play them from level 1. If that takes a heart then that is the price.

In my opinion, DDO needs Iconics at level ... 5, or at level 10. Level 15 is far too high for a player who wishes to begin in Korthos, for example.

Why ? Because in my opinion, Iconics are perfect for Newbies : They come with everything needed AND show the new player the path into which direction this character is levelling.

This is NOT multiclassing, this is NOT builds with several past lives, this is NOT min-maxing ! These are things limited to those who are playing the game so long that nothing is hidden bofore them anymore.

The complete Newbie, on the extreme other side of the scale, knows NOTHING. Except for those who already know the pen & paper rules and (therefore ?) love experimenting,
apart from those, the complete Newbie who has never played an (A)D&D game before needs serious hand-holdingdue to the massive amount of information trying to overwhelm that newbie. And most players here won't even understand what I mean because of their curse of knowledge.

The argument "you can always play at level 1" isn't a good argument because of that, because it speaks from the position of a long-time player who just isn't able to make any failures in levelling anymore. Again, curse of knowledge.

[SirValentine]

The Heroic version of Bladeforged is called Warforged.

Or are you trying to say you want all the advantages of BF without the disadvantages? If you're just some random Warforged who is not a Paladin of the Lord of Blades, why is he going to zap you through his Creation Forge and give you extra special powers?

[unbongwah]

The Heroic version of Bladeforged is called Warforged.

Warforged don't get Reconstruct SLA. For that matter, regular gnomes don't get Phantasmal Killer SLA like Deep Gnomes.

We can get rid of the initial class on Iconics with an LR +1 and we can start at level 1 on Hardcore. It shouldn't be too hard to get rid of the initial class restriction entirely. I.e., SSG found a workaround for the other supposedly "hard-coded" restrictions on Iconics, so why not get rid of the last one too? The real question would be: what does SSG get out of "liberating" Iconics like this, other than pleasing players like the OP?

[Gniewomir]

Bladeforged and Shadar-kai are favorites of mine, however you must use +1 lesser hearts to remove the mandatory level.

Please release a heroic version of Iconic races so we can start at level 1 with them and not have to Iconic reincarnate, their trees are too fun!

Also, selling them for 5000 DDO points each would be justified

So... you're willing to pay 5k for "heroic version" but you don't want to pay 1k for +1 heart? Remaining points you can spend on xp potions or otto box if you add few more points and you can do 20-30 in day or two. :P

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

No. Just no.

1) Iconics are already heroic toons. They start at 15
2) The point of Iconics is you get all the extra and unique bits because they are special. Deal with it. You can always play them from level 1. If that takes a heart then that is the price.

How did you not understand that by heroic what was meant "Can use a heroic true heart of wood"?

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

So... you're willing to pay 5k for "heroic version" but you don't want to pay 1k for +1 heart? Remaining points you can spend on xp potions or otto box if you add few more points and you can do 20-30 in day or two. :P

Saving money on alignment changes and +1 lesser hearts of wood is precisely why this should sell for at least 5K DDO points

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

The Heroic version of Bladeforged is called Warforged.

Or are you trying to say you want all the advantages of BF without the disadvantages? If you're just some random Warforged who is not a Paladin of the Lord of Blades, why is he going to zap you through his Creation Forge and give you extra special powers?

They do not get a reconstruct SLA in which is what it is all about. If the Warforged race got a Reconstruct SLA added to their tree they would be superior if such were added to the right place. Because of the Repair SLA, Bladeforged make an amazing race option for several classes that otherwise struggle with decent self-heal options.

[AlcoArgo]

How did you not understand that by heroic what was meant "Can use a heroic true heart of wood"?

Because you were unspecific. "Heroic" refers to levels 1-19 in DDO. At level 20 levels become "Epic".

[Memnir]

lol no

[HungarianRhapsody]

I don't think we need level 1 Iconics.

I do think we need Coin Lord favor in low epics for the people who are running an Iconic life. ...or just people who are tired of Waterworks/StK/level 4 Sharn.

Edit: It would also be nice to have a way to get Racial lives from Iconics for the people who already went through their Class past lives.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

Because you were unspecific. "Heroic" refers to levels 1-19 in DDO. At level 20 levels become "Epic".

No, heroics traditionally start at level 1 and use Heroic Hearts of wood for reincarnation, if I was not specific enough you should have asked rather than arrogantly assuming.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

I don't think we need level 1 Iconics.

I do think we need Coin Lord favor in low epics for the people who are running an Iconic life. ...or just people who are tired of Waterworks/StK/level 4 Sharn.

Edit: It would also be nice to have a way to get Racial lives from Iconics for the people who already went through their Class past lives.

Maybe getting three past lives for an iconic can unlock the option of using them as heroic races?

[Drunkendex]

No, heroics traditionally start at level 1 and use Heroic Hearts of wood for reincarnation, if I was not specific enough you should have asked rather than arrogantly assuming.

He "assumed" because you are only player I ever saw using "heroics" as description for HTR...

Everyone else uses term "heroics" to describe heroic quests/gear.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

He "assumed" because you are only player I ever saw using "heroics" as description for HTR...

Everyone else uses term "heroics" to describe heroic quests/gear.

Heroic is primarily relating to reincarnation requirements, iconics are newer than heroic hearts of wood.

Tell me, what can be rightfully inferred from this text that I wrote here?

"Please release a heroic version of Iconic races so we can start at level 1 with them and not have to Iconic reincarnate, their trees are too fun!"

Iconics start at level 15 and you have to use Iconic hearts of wood for reincarnation, I clearly laid down the context here and do not appreciate the rudely lazy reading comprehension effort...... A respectful response to someone's post requires an honest effort at reading comprehension as well as the discipline to drop habitual assumptions in favor of inquiry, none of the arrogant assumptions that have been normalized by a narcissistic culture are appropriate as a means of showing respect. I follow this rule of conduct so I am well aware of how easy such is to follow so expecting such respect from people isn't asking for too much.

[Drunkendex]

Tell me, what can be rightfully inferred from this text that I wrote here?

"Please release a heroic version of Iconic races so we can start at level 1 with them and not have to Iconic reincarnate, their trees are too fun!"

I marked where you went wrong.

Iconics start at 15, which is STILL heroic level.

TL,DR: you expressed yourself wrongly.

[droid327]

I also fail to see why you can't just start at l1 or l10 or wherever you want to. Sure you'll be blue barred but so what? You can advance whenever you feel you're "ready" to and have the same progress experience. Only difference is you couldn't HTR at 20.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

I marked where you went wrong.

Iconics start at 15, which is STILL heroic level.

TL,DR: you expressed yourself wrongly.

Iconics can't use a heroic heart of wood, therefore they are not a heroic race, they are an iconic race hence your logical failure.