Melee OP

[Stoner81]

The melee you saw you probably has some or all of the following (and more):

• Best in slot gear / raid gear.
• Tomes out the wazoo!
• Past lives out the wazoo!
• Consuimables out the wazoo! (like pots of various sorts to boost Melee Power etc).
• Other stuff I can't think of.

Some players are very very good at building strong characters, it's just the way it is.

Stoner81.

Come on Souless, you could just mention my name as the melee who crushed that portrait yesterday. You're complaining about a stars aligned character in the hands of a dedicated melee player. This isn't the norm, and certainly isn't OP.

To those interested in the portrait fight Soul is talking about:

Go to 44:30 in this video from last night:


https://www.twitch.tv/videos/648397066

I rest my case!

Stoner81.

[palladin9479]

So...

You tell me melee's are finally catching up with casters/inq and you are complaining?

*sigh*

Yep, they shocked *some* players are able to actually give them a run for their money, something they haven't felt for years.

Melee DPS are supposed to hit harder and be stronger then the safe ranged / caster class's. In return melee's are within the monsters immediate threat area and are subject to the monsters attacks. Casters / Ranged on the other hand can safely sit at a distance and plunk / fwoosh the monsters away with watching cat videos on youtube (that's a bit exaggerated but ppl get the picture). Casters and Ranged have the absolute best defense in the game, they aren't near the monsters deadly attacks.

What this means is melee's with lots of Reaper Points can jack their HP up really high, enabling them to survive being beaten on. Casters and Ranged can also do that ... but they don't really get hit much so it's not as noticable.

[mr420247]

Just noticing no they azz rape r10 bosses fast bears n pallys ranged get the shaft y mortal fear mentality

Sorcs in the toilet now they ever gona get a tree pass or what or 1 decent iconic race

And tronks no fail r10 cc on a first life pally bs dire charge n strike through n max dps nothign required

STAMINA bars for all melee **** or they can auto attack or pay pots too thats balanced

[mr420247]

Vince was running r10s solos on a bard for long time catching up what

[Cetus]

Clipped it for convenience. lol

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/649160475

[Draxis]

A big part of this is the recent changes to Spring Attack, I think. Melee has always been pretty strong. The problem was that mobs would die to ranged long before a melee was within striking distance. Now I see melee builds darting all over the place and decimating groups with AoE THF attacks before ranged can take a single one out.

I honestly think it's more balanced this way.

[timmy9999]

First, I guess I have not stated my issue correctly. Or maybe I'm understating it. So here it is:

About the delay: ENTIRE ROOMS ARE DEAD BE4 THE FIRST SHOT FIRES! I would also add here that I am well versed in ranged toons. I know how to anticipate fights.

About the OP-ness of melee: ON R-10: ENTIRE ROOMS ARE DEAD BE4 a 3 SEC (or 2 sec or whatever they claim) DELAY OCCURS!

R-10 Doom Reapers Crushed in <3 secs! I NEVER saw that kind of DPS on my Inquisitive, and had my ranged build HAMMERED by players screaming that they were OP.

I'm just wondering has anyone else seen this?

Thanks

Yes being an r10 fan yes pallys are destroying stuff fast. One of the problems or the cause is some bug. They swap gear and weapons non stop. I don’t know why, if it’s a cheat or what. But I’m shooting no numbers are comming up for 3-4 secs and they are able to clear the room and I didn’t even get a hit. This is the problem! It seems to lag out all players except the player doing the swapping, or what ever they are doing. Let’s then win the kill count though, not much fun for other players.

[palladin9479]

Yes being an r10 fan yes pallys are destroying stuff fast. One of the problems or the cause is some bug. They swap gear and weapons non stop. I don’t know why, if it’s a cheat or what. But I’m shooting no numbers are comming up for 3-4 secs and they are able to clear the room and I didn’t even get a hit. This is the problem! It seems to lag out all players except the player doing the swapping, or what ever they are doing. Let’s then win the kill count though, not much fun for other players.

That really sounds like someone exploiting a bug and isn't indicative of the general population. It's no different then when fire sorcs would constantly swap Spiral to get a huge permanent bonus.

[Draxis]

Yes being an r10 fan yes pallys are destroying stuff fast. One of the problems or the cause is some bug. They swap gear and weapons non stop. I don’t know why, if it’s a cheat or what. But I’m shooting no numbers are comming up for 3-4 secs and they are able to clear the room and I didn’t even get a hit. This is the problem! It seems to lag out all players except the player doing the swapping, or what ever they are doing. Let’s then win the kill count though, not much fun for other players.

It's an exploit. I saw something about it on the forums not that long ago. Gives you basically infinite insightful damage. Not sure how exactly it works though since I don't play a pally and the forum post seems to have disappeared.

EDIT: Actually, sorry, it gives you basically infinite stun DC, not insightful damage. Has to do with swapping + to stunning items on paladins.

[Cetus]

Yes being an r10 fan yes pallys are destroying stuff fast. One of the problems or the cause is some bug. They swap gear and weapons non stop. I don’t know why, if it’s a cheat or what. But I’m shooting no numbers are comming up for 3-4 secs and they are able to clear the room and I didn’t even get a hit. This is the problem! It seems to lag out all players except the player doing the swapping, or what ever they are doing. Let’s then win the kill count though, not much fun for other players.

I have no idea what this is. But, there was no pally in that group.

[timmy9999]

I have no idea what this is. But, there was no pally in that group.

I think the lag is related to swapping sentinel weapons. but not sure, if you are not seeing numbers most fights and your shooting yer the room is getting cleared, this is the prob. Come to think of it it did used to happen with some sorc I played with and inquisitors pre nerf.

[devashta]

Is it just me, or have any other ranged builds noticed that the melee's are now crushing content?

I'm just asking because while running R-10's last night, I would click NHB....and before I would fire a shot, everything would be dead.

I know everyone playing melee were screaming for changes, but I think just like the hammering of ranged builds, Inquisitive in particular that were so overpowered...running last night I watched a Melee in the portrait end fight with Strahd...And, he was crushed (in seconds) before I even fired a single shot at his ugly mug. Even on my best (in R-10) I was unable to solo the portrait fight. And somehow my Inquisitive Xbow user is overpowered?!?!

Maybe I'm just having sour grapes. But if the complaint that ranged inquisitive builds were waltzing through content, SSG should take a hard look at what the changes you have made have wrought.

You are having sour grapes. My first life barb is still behind inquisitive in terms of DPS, also I can get one/two-shotted in R10 while you can run away from distance & still pew pew pew.

[mr420247]

Like all of us whats your point

[Jerevth]

That's the heady, rarefied heights of what's possible.
98% of melee builds don't approach that.
Mine sure don't, though I haven't earned the PLs, RPs and gear Cetus has.

Looks like a lot of factors went into play to make a top tier melee toon. Grinding gear, grinding PLs, earning the reaper points, perfecting the build and years of experience learning the game.

[Whaldorf]

would we pretty please (i say we, as community) just stop screaming words like OP and NERF?

+1 and

For real.

I mean honestly - poor ranged could not click NHB fast enough before the melee got it. Just STOP it!!

[Whaldorf]

So...

You tell me melee's are finally catching up with casters/inq and you are complaining?

*sigh*

+1

[Whaldorf]

sentinel weapons.

what is that?

[fatherpirate]

this is OP, no that is OP...
now it is this class that is OP, no that was last week.

can we just settle on one thing that is OP, and just leave
that as the OP thing ?

I am getting whiplash trying to keep up with
what is OP this hour.

[Arkat]

EDIT: Actually, sorry, it gives you basically infinite stun DC, not insightful damage. Has to do with swapping + to stunning items on paladins.

Infinite stun DC? Who cares about that??

It's not all that hard to get a 130-140 stun DC without any "tricks" and that's good enough in upper skulls content.

If people are pushing their stun DCs to 200-300, or whatever, they're just wasting time and effort.

[HungarianRhapsody]

what is that?

Legendary content will include mutant champions and we'll need sentinel weapons to defeat them.