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    Quote Originally Posted by myliftkk_v2 View Post
    Wholly incorrect interpretation.

    Paying customer A continually purchases thing X

    Person B gets given X for free (no proof they have paid for ****, or will pay for **** so we can't even call them a customer)

    Customer A says to themselves "*** am I paying for x for?"

    The above also isn't remotely uncommon, but usually the kind of thing we would see more in cable/sat companies. This is SSG customer service stepping on a rake... once again.
    I see this type of comment on occasion, and it's kind of a bad assumption. It's more like this:

    Free player benefits (has spent no money):
    • Can play DDO
    • Can grind favor to earn DDO Points
    • Can spent earned DDO Points on account upgrades
    • Permanently owns any purchased account upgrades
    • 2 characters per server
    • Has a gold cap that increases a bit each level
    • Has limits to ability to chat
    • Has limits to ability to use Auction House


    Effect of the coupon on Free players: skip most of the favor grinding to unlock most of the current content

    Premium player benefits (Has spent at least $5 on game):
    • Can play DDO
    • Can grind favor to earn DDO Points
    • Can spend earned DDO Points on account upgrades
    • Permanently owns any purchased account upgrades
    • 2 more character slots per server then a Free Player
    • No gold cap
    • No chat restrictions
    • No auction house restrictions



    Effect of the coupon on Premium players: skip most of the favor grinding to unlock most of the current content

    VIP Benefits:
    • Can Play DDO
    • Can grind favor for DDO Points
    • Can spend earned DDO Points on account upgrades
    • Rents all adventure packs, Premium races, and Premium classes
    • Permanently owns any purchased account upgrades
    • 8 more character slots per server then a Free player
    • No gold cap
    • No chat restrictions
    • No auction house restrictions
    • Can enter a quest for the first time on Elite, even on a first life character
    • Stacking 10% XP bonus
    • Stacking 1% per additional player in group (max 5%) XP bonus (soon)
    • One free Gold roll per week (roughly a $2 value)
    • 500 free DDO Points per month (about $7 value)
    • Shared Bank access
    • Shared Crafting bank access
    • Shared Platinum bank access
    • Other benefits I can't remember off hand


    What the coupon code does for VIP: Wont lose access to the current adventure packs you hadn't already purchased if you have to drop down to Premium.

    I really don't see why people are getting so worked up over this coupon. It's not stripping value from your VIP any more then using those DDO Point grants to buy adventure packs did. Not to mention Free and Premium players were already capable of getting access to all the game's content at zero monetary cost. Sure it takes a while, but it is possible. The coupon doesn't remove the restrictions from a Free account. It doesn't give a Premium account most of the benefits from being VIP either.
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    I guess I'm in the minority here, but I'm fine with this change; I actually was quite pleased when I first read the announcement. I've been running with a lot of new players recently, and the old "I'm F2P, I can't run this next quest, bye!" issue has been great to not encounter.

    Personally, I think access to all races/classes is still worth it. I lose VIP and like 3/4 of my roster goes unusable for that reason alone. I've rarely seen VIP as a benefit primarily for the adventure packs, given just how many are NOT included with a vip subscription - something I know irks a lot of newer players who lay out a monthly fee just to still not be able to play with everyone. I'm fine with seeing that changed, and not saving up points for every Thanksgiving sale. This just leaves me with Iconics as something to have to work towards unlocking.

    I will say that I would prefer a 2% xp bonus per party member rather than 1%. I'd be inclined to go out of my way to fill a group for a 10% bonus, which seems like a goal from the devs point of view. A 5% bonus I'd take if it came, but wouldn't really be trying for it as a factor in most quests. I could see dropping it to 1% for raids, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynnabel View Post
    It has not. For clarity, VIPs are not losing their inherent 10% XP bonus, the 1% per party xp bonus is an additional XP bonus being added automatically in an upcoming patch.
    Thanks for the reply confirming what i thought. I was amazed that some people were complaining about this bonus being removed when no such announcement had been made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Knight View Post

    I really don't see why people are getting so worked up over this coupon. It's not stripping value from your VIP any more then using those DDO Point grants to buy adventure packs did. Not to mention Free and Premium players were already capable of getting access to all the game's content at zero monetary cost. Sure it takes a while, but it is possible. The coupon doesn't remove the restrictions from a Free account. It doesn't give a Premium account most of the benefits from being VIP either.
    Having purchased the Season Pass, I'm of two minds about this decision. From an overall health of the game perspective, I'm all for the decision to make content accessible on a permanent basis. In fact, I would even go so far as to follow a more WoW model: everything (except destinies and iconics) that's older than the two most recent expansions are considered part of the "base game", and are just given to everyone. With that said, the outright ownership of all non-expansion content was a huge marketing and selling point for the Season Pass. While it's open for debate how much of the $100 "upgrade" cost was covered by the approximately 20 quests and 3 raids (if U47 is released before the end of August), it still does have a non-zero dollar value that is lost, as well as a loss of consumer confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donblas View Post
    I'm a VIP too. What am i losing? Am I not gaining a small boost to XP?

    As far as I can tell i am getting all the other stuff I always got with my subscription.

    Even better, other people are getting some free stuff - I am happy for them too!
    You didn't lose this bonus or the 500 TP you just get 1% more per member which includes your hires- so just pop a hire for 1% more if you solo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Knight View Post
    I see this type of comment on occasion, and it's kind of a bad assumption.
    So your opinion is correct, and how others feel is incorrect. An interesting perspective for sure.

    Have you considered the possibility that all opinions about a change are valid, because individual perceptions are what fuel our decisions about the game?


    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Knight View Post
    I really don't see why people are getting so worked up over this coupon. It's not stripping value from your VIP any more then using those DDO Point grants to buy adventure packs did. Not to mention Free and Premium players were already capable of getting access to all the game's content at zero monetary cost. Sure it takes a while, but it is possible. The coupon doesn't remove the restrictions from a Free account. It doesn't give a Premium account most of the benefits from being VIP either.
    Well, you don't need to get it. All you need to do is listen to those that are upset.

    The question to ask should be "What would make you feel VIP has similar value?"

    Maybe we would all learn something, instead of telling others their opinions are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niknight View Post
    Having purchased the Season Pass, I'm of two minds about this decision. From an overall health of the game perspective, I'm all for the decision to make content accessible on a permanent basis. In fact, I would even go so far as to follow a more WoW model: everything (except destinies and iconics) that's older than the two most recent expansions are considered part of the "base game", and are just given to everyone. With that said, the outright ownership of all non-expansion content was a huge marketing and selling point for the Season Pass. While it's open for debate how much of the $100 "upgrade" cost was covered by the approximately 20 quests and 3 raids (if U47 is released before the end of August), it still does have a non-zero dollar value that is lost, as well as a loss of consumer confidence.
    Honestly, it's not like SSG is just gonna stop making new adventure packs over the next year and a half. You will still be getting all of that. And you had perm access to all of those quests from the moment they were released, as opposed the the premium player. To say that would cause a loss of consumer confidence seems silly to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stravix View Post
    Honestly, it's not like SSG is just gonna stop making new adventure packs over the next year and a half. You will still be getting all of that. And you had perm access to all of those quests from the moment they were released, as opposed the the premium player. To say that would cause a loss of consumer confidence seems silly to me.
    Season Pass runs out this December. We have update 47 coming during the summer (which is 1 quest and 3 updated raids, if I heard correctly), then Feywild immediately after that. Unless they manage to sneak in one more update after Feywild, there are no additional adventure packs this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niknight View Post
    Having purchased the Season Pass, I'm of two minds about this decision. From an overall health of the game perspective, I'm all for the decision to make content accessible on a permanent basis. In fact, I would even go so far as to follow a more WoW model: everything (except destinies and iconics) that's older than the two most recent expansions are considered part of the "base game", and are just given to everyone. With that said, the outright ownership of all non-expansion content was a huge marketing and selling point for the Season Pass. While it's open for debate how much of the $100 "upgrade" cost was covered by the approximately 20 quests and 3 raids (if U47 is released before the end of August), it still does have a non-zero dollar value that is lost, as well as a loss of consumer confidence.
    I think SSG had a great idea here. However, I do think that they need to compensate Season Pass holders for the content that a Season Pass included and that is now being given away for free. And the compensation needs to be a credit to the Season Pass holder's account in the form of real world dollars, not points, boxes, etc. They may plan to do this, but just have not gotten there yet.

    Other than that, great job SSG!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    get 1% more per member which includes your hires- so just pop a hire for 1% more if you solo.
    Huh, TIL, so if I summon up all the perma gold seal guys on the buddy weekends I'll get the full bonus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by niknight View Post
    Season Pass runs out this December. We have update 47 coming during the summer (which is 1 quest and 3 updated raids, if I heard correctly), then Feywild immediately after that. Unless they manage to sneak in one more update after Feywild, there are no additional adventure packs this year.
    Wow, time must fly, I thought it was from this past December, not the one before that. My appologies.

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    Are we though?
    People have been saying - nay demanding - that SSG do something to boost the player base. This is a major move in doing that. Yeah, this is better for everyone not just VIPs - but it's still good for VIPs. And, in on that same topic, VIPs get perma-Buddy Boost to their XP. This is another thing people have been demanding of SSG for quite some time. So, VIPs can theoretically get +15% on their XP with a full party, without other boosts. That ain't nothing.

    Plus, SSG generates a lot of good will in doing this. And happy gamers stick with their chosen games.


    I have no problem with this. Granted - y'all's MMV, but I see this as a win/win for DDO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    You didn't lose this bonus or the 500 TP you just get 1% more per member which includes your hires- so just pop a hire for 1% more if you solo.
    Does not include hirelings.

    Says so in the announcement.
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    How curious: I just re-upped my VIP subscription for the first time in years - even though I haven't been playing much lately TBH - because I felt like the best way of thanking SSG for their efforts to support the community during a global pandemic was cold hard cash.

    Glass half-full, glass half-empty, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody View Post
    Does not include hirelings.

    Says so in the announcement.
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    If you look across all the changes it's basically a giant nerf to all the stuff we used to use while trying to force folks into theme based playstyles.
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    Am VIP and am happy to have more players to play with. I don't feel like iv lost anything, feels like iv gained more. Its great that they are doing this, we might get even more players from it.

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    You haven't lost anything

    The players that gain all access & stay to support the game are what is gained

    Plus XP more bonus

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokowi View Post
    The question to ask should be "What would make you feel VIP has similar value?"
    Capitalism has created Elitism based on money. Those who have money feel entitled to be someone special because they have money.
    Some of these money-based Elitists go even so far as blackmailing software developers into "either you do what i want or you won't get my money !".
    Capitalism has created a society in which EVERYTHING, yes EVERYTHING us purchaseable, and there is no kind of morale or humanism involved anymore, even Philosophy is rendered [spelling ?] as irrelevant because money rulez.

    This Elitism is going to break society at one point, because there will be a fight at one point between those who have, and feel entitled to push their will through EVERYTHING with the help of this money, and those who have not. The end resuklt will be some kind of masked slavery for those who don't have because the capitalistic system will require MONEY to be the currency for making a living - and withholding it from some people or even only giving some people less and some people more will result in those who don't have money being the ones "at the wrong end", because MONEY is the tool to push through the own will against those who have no will because they have no money. No money, no lobbyism.

    I have learned to know Elitism in my own case : A box of collected music of a certain band was available at one point in the past when I was much younger and was not able to purchae it. Now, those who've had the money own this box, and they say "this is in the box, you don't need to buy this additional CD or book about it". They see the world through the eyes of someone who has, and is through the Curse Of Knowledge not able to see through the eyes of those who don't have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynnabel View Post
    It has not. For clarity, VIPs are not losing their inherent 10% XP bonus, the 1% per party xp bonus is an additional XP bonus being added automatically in an upcoming patch.
    Lynnabel: I am VIP and will continue to be - very happy that we have tons of new players and probably tons more with this change. But this 1% per person bonus makes a mockery of us. Be creative - provide us a daily gold roll, double points when we purchase, free iconics, VIP only store area etc...

    To all those FTP/Premium people asking us to go premium/leave DDO - this is a discussion between us VIPs and SSG. Stay away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AstorPotamus View Post
    So reading the following announcement from SSG, VIPs are basically paying for what they're now giving away for everyone else now.

    https://ddo.com/en/news/free-questin...ng-stone-games

    Permanent +1% xp bonus per party member?! Are you guys kidding us right now?! Thinking about cancelling my sub now because due compensation for those of us that are actually paying for this game has been so outrageously lacking, what you've just announced here is an insult.

    You gave us a crummy cake last time, now it appears you're giving us something (that doesn't quite belong) in a Mountain Dew bottle.
    Are you really that entitled or just trolling, there is a list of benefits besides quest access that comes with VIP, In fact it is pretty much the least of the benefits. What about players that purchased packs with points, you are actually better off than they are, you can simply use the coupon then not renew your VIP account because the only perk you had was the quests.

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