Spell caster newb

[The_Other_Ted]

Hi all, I'm returning to DDO after a good long absence, and I realized that I've never given spell casters a solid try. I tried playing a sorcerer long, long ago in a place far, far away (literally; I've moved twice since then), and it was... a bit painful. I don't think I completed a single Korthos quest, and not for want of trying.

That said, I'd like to try again. Any tips for someone who has never played a spellcaster in any sort of DnD? Specifically, any pointers on "growing" a newly hatched spellcaster? Seems like multiclassing into (or even starting as) some flavor of fighter would make things a little easier... but it might also feel like a cheat. Still, even Gandalf wielded a sword from time to time... BTW, I'm just not into Clerics or Druids - it's irrational, I know, but the very existence of those classes has annoyed me since ADD.

On a side note, I don't recall Warlocks being in DDO last time I played. I am familiar with the general idea through DnD 5e, and it intrigues me quite a bit. Problem is, I'm one of those "concept" players; I don't get a lot of enjoyment out of a character unless I have at least a vague idea about its personality, background, or goals - and I just haven't had a conceptual brain flash that screams "Warlock." Anyone care to throw out some ideas to help jumpstart my Warlock oriented creativity?

[banjo174]

Problem is, I'm one of those "concept" players

No one is going to be able to convince you to play something that you dont want to play. That being said. Every caster has a rough start until they get to the mid levels. When I start a sorcerer caster, or wizard caster. I will often be using a two handed sword, just cause its more damage than my typical spell. By the time I am level 5 however, I will have some SLAs going, maximize and empower, and I wont need to melee anymore. Sorcerers are a lot of fun in the mid levels, when it starts clearing entire rooms with delayed blast fireballs, and meteor swarm later on.

[The_Other_Ted]

That's a thought. Way back when, my Bard/Barbarian carried a 2H axe before she picked up a Barb level. Missed a lot, but its damage was enough to make up for it. Using a 2H sword also brings to mind a concept that could work for a Warlock. Add a splash or two of Fighter (or maybe even Paladin, if feasible), and you've got someone who fights the shadows, precisely because he knows what's hiding there...

I remember multiclassing a caster wasn't recommended back in the day. Is that still true?

[C-Dog]

Any caster is going to be a wimp at Level 1 - same as tabletop.

Best plan is to Master's Touch (take it as a Wiz, or scroll it as a Sorcie), and use the best 2-handed weapon you can find.

Sorcerer is far better than it used to be - you should take it for a spin again, see if things haven't improved.

By the time I am level 5 however, I will have some SLAs going, maximize and empower...

Level 5?

An SLA costs 4 AP - you can have 2 going full blast by the end of Level 2, with both Maximize and Empower* the moment you take 3 (plus a 3rd Feat if you're Human). Add those to some matching spells , and you almost have a full rotation, more than enough to hold your own once you hit Level 3 (when I like Web, for CC). Add almost any droploot spellpower items, and from there it only gets better.

(* I believe that starting w/ Enlarge + Maximize is better for Air Savant, but ymmv.)

I remember multiclassing a caster wasn't recommended back in the day. Is that still true?

Depends what you're doing with it, and which "caster" we're talking about.

If going to 30, you 100% want a pure Sorcie. The core 20 capstone is too strong to miss.

If a Wiz, you can either go pure or toss 2 (max) levels of something else - Rogue is the classic for a "Pale Trapper", but there are other spins. The idea is that those dips make leveling faster, so offset any delay in absolute casting power.

If only going to 20, you can afford to dip w/ a Sorcie - Barb (for faster kiting) and/or Wizard (late, after your good spells) for another metamagic Feat are among the most popular.

[Enkidu]

Hi all, I'm returning to DDO after a good long absence, and I realized that I've never given spell casters a solid try. I tried playing a sorcerer long, long ago in a place far, far away (literally; I've moved twice since then), and it was... a bit painful. I don't think I completed a single Korthos quest, and not for want of trying.

That said, I'd like to try again. Any tips for someone who has never played a spellcaster in any sort of DnD? Specifically, any pointers on "growing" a newly hatched spellcaster? Seems like multiclassing into (or even starting as) some flavor of fighter would make things a little easier... but it might also feel like a cheat. Still, even Gandalf wielded a sword from time to time... BTW, I'm just not into Clerics or Druids - it's irrational, I know, but the very existence of those classes has annoyed me since ADD.

On a side note, I don't recall Warlocks being in DDO last time I played. I am familiar with the general idea through DnD 5e, and it intrigues me quite a bit. Problem is, I'm one of those "concept" players; I don't get a lot of enjoyment out of a character unless I have at least a vague idea about its personality, background, or goals - and I just haven't had a conceptual brain flash that screams "Warlock." Anyone care to throw out some ideas to help jumpstart my Warlock oriented creativity?

Strimtom recently posted an easy first life warlock build in the warlock forum, but any great old one warlock is going to be easy to level. Sorc and wizards both have nice melee enhancement lines (Eld Knight) that make your starting life easier, just remember you have to turn on spellsword every time you log in. I typically tank until I get my first good aoe nuke (Acid blast) at level 5 (7 for sorc). Web turns out to be a great tanking aid, btw.

[C-Dog]

The 1 AP cleave of EK helps w/ leveling, but chasing EK further should (imo) be left for later levels. A simple 4 AP SLA combined w/ Maximize and decent spellpower gear can often 1-shot most mobs, and some kiting and any sort of spell rotation covers the tougher ones.

After 8 AP into 2 SLA's (9 w/ EK), start the march down your preferred starting Savant path, w/ crits and improved spell power, etc. Dump 2ndary savant completely once you don't need it to fill your spell rotation, and add those points into your primary savant tree.

...I typically tank until I get my first good aoe nuke (Acid blast) at level 5 (7 for sorc). Web turns out to be a great tanking aid, btw.

This reminded me of some "starting wizard" advice - had to dig a little, but found it...

o https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5078946

If following this, a wizard can take a little more EK to start for defensiveness/melee, since they don't have the same powerful SLA's that a Sorcie enjoys.

[Razor_Wit]

Note: No one can scroll cast MT on a 2-handed weapon.

[The_Other_Ted]

Note: No one can scroll cast MT on a 2-handed weapon.

*nods sagely*

...what's a MT and why do I want it?

[C-Dog]

o https://ddowiki.com/page/Master%27s_Touch

And I keep forgetting that, yes, you can't hold a scroll/wand and a 2-handed weapon at the same time. Have to know the spell for those weapons. Sorcerers can swap spells, it just costs a few hundred plat - try to do it just before leveling up to 3rd(?) to save a little.