mass hold SLA

[painkiller3]

what does the spell level of mass hold SLA go from for DC? highest caster spell level or highest bard spell level or just 9 because it's a level 9 arcane spell? I was thinking about trying a 15 wizard/5 bard with all the spellsinger bonuses to illusion for phantasmal killer etc and having a useable mass hold would just be icing on the cake getting heighten to set it to 8 for wizard is a lot better than 2 for bard...I tried it with a temporary deep gnome as 10/5 and couldn't figure it out from combat log etc etc etc.

[Drecas]

My current life is a 15 wizard / 5 bard, and let me tell you, this build is only good on paper.
One of the most painful lives that I've ever run, can't recommend it.

[painkiller3]

please ignore https://ddowiki.com/page/Spellsinger_enhancements said it acted like a level 6 spell...should've gone to wiki first

[painkiller3]

My current life is a 15 wizard / 5 bard, and let me tell you, this build is only good on paper.
One of the most painful lives that I've ever run, can't recommend it.

why? did the instakills not get high enough? i'm curious what the problem(s) were

[Drecas]

I haven't hit epics yet, so I don't know if it gets better at some point, but right now I'm a level 9 wizard / 5 bard, and I can't keep up with the ballooning mob hit points /saves.
Then again the character I'm running it on, doesn't have a lot of caster past lives either, so that doesn't help.
Trying to pierce the SR of creatures has been a nightmare. Also I'm regretting picking drow as a race, gnome and it's illusory spray would've been so much better.
So yeah, if you're gonna go gnome... then *maybe*, just maybe you can make it work.

[painkiller3]

this takes 2 racial points, obviously more racial points would be better. thoughts? genius? madness? if it's just suboptimal I can live with that lol. there is six extra spell penetration in the enhancements, on top of whatever you can get out of feats and caster past lives. extra enhancement points would likely go to prodigy. I think I will roll up a first liferand try it 30. did reaper1 in a group of Assault on Stormreach out of the box as a deep gnome and was competitive in kills and phantasmal killer seemed to land not 100% but reliable, which i'm good with as a first lifer with 0 reaper points in reaper. caster and deep gnome past lives would help. i never got close to running out of SP thanks to spell song vigor. i think it's worth a shot


Enhancements: 80 APs, Racial 2
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Deep Gnome - Points spent: 18
1 Core ·(1) Wariness I
2 Core ·(2) Wisdom I: Intelligence
3 Core ·(1) Wariness II
4 Core ·(2) Wisdom II: Intelligence
5 Tier2 (1) Permanent Blur
6 Tier2 (1) Color Spray
7 Tier2 (1) Color Spray
8 Tier2 (1) Color Spray
9 Tier3 (1) Illusion
10 Tier3 (1) Illusion
11 Tier3 (1) Illusion
12 Tier3 (1) Spellcraft
13 Tier3 (1) Spellcraft
14 Tier4 (1) Phantasmal Killer
15 Tier4 (1) Phantasmal Killer
16 Tier4 (1) Phantasmal Killer
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Arch-Mage - Points spent: 26
1 Core ·(1) Specialization I: Illusion I: Invisibility
2 Tier1 (2) Spell Critical: Elemental and Force I
3 Tier1 (2) Energy of the Scholar
4 Core ·(1) Specialization II: Illusion II: Blur
5 Tier2 (2) Spell Critical: Elemental and Force II
6 Tier1 (2) Energy of the Scholar
7 Core ·(1) Specialization III: Illusion III: Displacement
8 Tier3 (2) Spell Critical: Elemental and Force III
9 Tier3 (2) Intelligence I
10 Tier3 (2) Spell Penetration
11 Tier3 (2) Spell Penetration
12 Tier3 (2) Spell Penetration
13 Core ·(1) Specialization IV: Illusion IV: Phantasmal Killer
14 Tier4 (2) School Mastery: Primary Spell Focus: Illusion
15 Tier4 (2) Intelligence II
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Spellsinger - Points spent: 38
1 Core ·(1) pellsinger
2 Tier1 (1) Studies: Magical Studies
3 Tier1 (1) Studies: Magical Studies
4 Tier1 (1) Studies: Magical Studies
5 Tier1 (1) Charlatan
6 Core ·(1) Music of the Sewers
7 Tier2 (2) Marigold Crown: Blue Marigold Crown
8 Tier2 (1) Flicker/Willfull: Flicker
9 Tier2 (1) Flicker/Willfull: Flicker
10 Tier2 (1) Flicker/Willfull: Flicker
11 Tier3 (2) Spell Song Trance
12 Tier3 (1) Reviving Verse: Raucous Refrain
13 Tier3 (1) Reviving Verse: Raucous Refrain
14 Tier3 (1) Reviving Verse: Raucous Refrain
15 Tier3 (1) Shout
16 Tier3 (1) Shout
17 Tier3 (1) Shout
18 Tier2 (1) Wand And Scroll Mastery
19 Tier4 (2) Song of Arcane Might
20 Tier4 (1) Spell Penetration: Arcane Aid
21 Tier4 (1) Spell Penetration: Arcane Aid
22 Tier4 (1) Spell Penetration: Arcane Aid
23 Tier4 (2) Sustaining Song
24 Tier1 (1) Charlatan
25 Tier1 (1) Charlatan
26 Tier2 (1) Wand And Scroll Mastery
27 Tier5 (2) Spell Song Vigor
28 Tier5 (2) Mass Hold/Horn of Thunder: Mass Hold
29 Tier5 (2) Mass Hold/Horn of Thunder: Mass Hold
30 Tier5 (2) Mass Hold/Horn of Thunder: Mass Hold
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[Enoach]

I haven't hit epics yet, so I don't know if it gets better at some point, but right now I'm a level 9 wizard / 5 bard, and I can't keep up with the ballooning mob hit points /saves.
Then again the character I'm running it on, doesn't have a lot of caster past lives either, so that doesn't help.
Trying to pierce the SR of creatures has been a nightmare. Also I'm regretting picking drow as a race, gnome and it's illusory spray would've been so much better.
So yeah, if you're gonna go gnome... then *maybe*, just maybe you can make it work.

without knowing if you have any past lives to assist.

You are casting Wizard Spells as a Level 9 even though you are level 14, you also only have access to level 5 wizard spells. Your base Spell Penetration is 9. This is why you are struggling with SR. Recommendation is look towards spells that do not allow require Spell Penetration when running high SR content.

Damage is also limited based on spells that have damage based on caster levels, recommend looking at using debuffs in low to no SR content. reducing con/levels of a mob in heroic can help when your DPS is low.

Are you trying to have both a High Intelligence and Charisma? This could also be contributing if mobs are "saving" taking 1/2 to no damage. Sorcerer would have been a better synergy since they share caster attribute.

How are you using the Bard Levels? Are you a "Melee" caster using War Chanter or Swashbuckler?, or are you using Spell Singer?