Brutal Throw: synergize with Simple Thrown Expertise

[droid327]

Right now STWE is largely hamstrung by being DEX based for non-Alchs, and DEX is not a stat that's supported or synergistic with many classes. You need high DEX for STWE to be useful, but stacking DEX doesnt provide any benefit other than your thrown weapon DPS.

Brutal Throw lets you go STR based with throwers, but its also kinda useless since you cant make good use of throwers without STWE. Also it wouldn't be that necessary till late in Epic anyway, when to-hit becomes more of a concern.

I think an obvious solution to both shortcomings is to just link the two feats, so that both become useful together. Add the following effect to Brutal Throw:

You may use your STR, if it is higher, to determine your extra throw chance with Simple Thrown Weapons Expertise

That would open up a whole slew of possibilities for STR based throwers, getting an all-in-one stat for attack, damage, and extra shot, like Shuriken Monks and Vile Chemists enjoy, with a stat that will synergize better with many other features in mutiple classes.

[DrawingGuy]

DEX to damage for throwers is available on Halfling (which is one of the top choices for throwers), and thus is available to every class. Having DEX control your attack, damage, and extra throws is exactly what Monks get as well. Only Alchemist can escape the singular DEX package with INT.

What I would prefer is a new feat that does the same thing using STR and Martial weapons. So MTWE would cover throwing hammers and axes using STR, STWE covers throwing daggers and darts using INT/DEX, and Shuriken expertise covers Shuriken with DEX.

[Bjond]

Until non-monks can achieve 2x STAT bonus to Double-Strike, non-monk throwers will remain mediocre (at best) for dps. The problem isn't which stat, it's not enough scaling.

[cru121]

It would be nice if brutal throw (and other non-monk throwers) were a competitive option.