5 Paladin / 1 Rogue / 14 Ranger TWF Build Help

[boby84z9]

Howdy everyone, currently on my Warlock life and I wanted to switch it up for my next go, I was thinking of running a khopesh TWF with 5 paladin, 14 ranger and 1 rogue. Rogue for trapping obviously. I was thinking of doing 14 paladin and 5 ranger instead for holy sword but I realized deepwood can fulfill that function and I wouldn't really get to use holy sword until near epics. Build is below, would appreciate any sort of advice as this was literally just a night time rave through the character planner.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(5 Paladin \ 1 Rogue \ 14 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 358
Spell Points: 355 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 24
Reflex: 19
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    30
Dexterity             8                    15
Constitution         16                    23
Intelligence         14                    21
Wisdom                8                    15
Charisma             12                    19

Tomes Used
+7 Tome of Strength used at level 1 \par +7 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1 \par +7 Tome of Constitution used at level 1 \par +7 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1 \par +7 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1 \par +7 Tome of Charisma used at level 1 \par 
                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    10.5
Bluff                 0                     4
Concentration         2                    29
Diplomacy             0                     4
Disable Device        5                    29
Haggle                5                    10
Heal                  3                     5
Hide                  0                     2
Intimidate            0                     4
Jump                  4                    33
Listen                0                     2
Move Silently         0                     2
Open Lock             4                    25
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     6
Search                5                    29
Spellcraft            0                     5
Spot                  0                     2
Swim                  4                    14
Tumble                4                     6
Use Magic Device      5                    28

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Iconic Past Life: Purple Dragon Knight
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Druid
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Warlock
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Past Life) Race Past Life: Aasimar Past Life
Feat: (Past Life) Race Past Life: Human Past Life


Level 2 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Dragon


Level 17 (Ranger)


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR

[boby84z9]

Rough enhancements -

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Level 30 Lawful Good Human Female
(5 Paladin \ 1 Rogue \ 14 Ranger \ 10 Epic) 
Hit Points: 728
Spell Points: 355 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 24
Reflex: 25
Will: 16

Level 1 (Rogue)


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Ranger)


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Ranger)


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)


Level 16 (Ranger)


Level 17 (Ranger)


Level 18 (Ranger)


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)


Level 21 (Epic)


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)


Level 27 (Epic)


Level 28 (Epic)


Level 29 (Epic)


Level 30 (Epic)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sneak Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Exposing Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sneak Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Versatile Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Versatile Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Survivalist I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Skill Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Skill Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Skill Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Survivalist II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Hunter (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Hunter (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Survivalist III (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Graceful Death (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Deflect Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Storm Dancer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Storm Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - The Growing Storm (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - The Growing Storm (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - The Growing Storm (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dual Perfection (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Holy Bastion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Instinctive Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Instinctive Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Instinctive Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Bulwark Aura (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Bulwark Aura (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Bulwark Aura (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Hardy Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Hardy Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Hardy Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Strong Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Strong Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Strong Defense (Rank 3)

[Coffey]

You will need to add the ranger levels early to get the crit threat/multiplier as they are both level 12 cores in DWS and Tempest at this time. So if you add in a level of rogue early on then level 13 will be the earliest.

Also, if youre taking tier 5 in tempest you wont have the AP to cover the spread until level 15-16.

[Coffey]

Another thing to keep in mind is the Ranger free TWF feats are all in place at Ranger level 11.

[Kutalp]

Hello. Not to sound a jack ass. Just my humble opinion as on old timer Multiclass builds fan. Your build sounds cool, anyhow


I struggled myself for creating TWF but also beefy and offensive S&B builds in the past. There is age/era/meta gaming at DDO and it keeps changing. The words below are true.


Melee is not really at a good place right now. Swapping tactics and keeping distance beats pure melee dps.

You can swap feats at Fred but once you set class based set you can not easily change the pieces of the puzzle. It is not worth the dime. Anyhow as a Rogue;


Pure Rogue Mechanic or Mechanic with a couple levels of Fighter works better. You may add one level of Barb for +%10 movement speed or not. Anyhow not enough AP for the enhancements. At first glance it has lower general saves and hitpoints, but...

I can assure you that Human (Aasimar, Drow, Halfling,Gnome are other options) Pure rogue with item support and extra rogue skills at feats and rest in to Ranged and Crossbow focus works very good with item support for saves, extra hp, ghostly/blurry, UMD.



Ranger and Paladin melee and ranged enhancement trees vs Rogue Melee and Ranged enhancement trees:


You can keep the ranged feats same to shoot npcs and can still melee with nasty aoe trips with acrobat by simply swapping rogue enhancement with platinum. Ranger ranged is not worth it right now. TWF and all non shield/beefy builds do not have enough durability at close ranged unless the player sticks to playing only at normal and hard mode. (You may survive with very good luck and with thousands of potions at every single encounter at each quest but compared to crossbow ranged it really is not worth the time)


There will be times you will suffer similar to melee but you will have many tricks under the robes that can be swapped very easy with a intelligence/dexterity based character. Plain and simple. Greatcrossbow hit and run and spray and alchemical traps aoe nasty effects; swap at will for melee mode with nasty Staff attacks. Not only dps but pure tactical gameplay and dps the same time.


It is very hard to change a pure melee or pure caster build (Most casters other than Pure Sorcerer and Pure FVS also get stuck. Warlock has nice twists anyhow, again as pure class)


I beg your pardon if it sounds out of the Paladin/Ranger and multiclass build. Anyhow it is one of the builds that actually functions as if a multiclass build. (Inquisitive, Vistani, Artificer, Pure rogue with combos or pure trees based on ranged feats and swappable enhancement trees for ranged/melee/casting abilites)


My humble dirty pieces of eight.

[unbongwah]

There is an old build called NoYellowBar which was ranger 15 / paladin 4 / fighter or rogue 1, IIRC. It predates the ranger pass, so the deep paladin splash added Divine Might, defensive stance, etc. The buffs to Knight of the Chalice in update 45 might make it interesting again.

ETA: here's the thread.