Trash Remover, the end game assassin ~ Vistani Assassin Rogue by Strimtom

[seldarin]

Hello everybody!
Usually i dont reply inder posts, even if I notice some trash stuffs, but this is My class!
On top of all we can start say Assassin is one of the top tier dps for bosses and great job in trash.
But not with this setup!
I m not so pro as u Strim, but I consistently play R10 as assassin on Cannith and I can achieve more than that.

First big error i see is "Why a full DPS BUILD doesnt use Prowess set?" There is no answer. Simply u r tellin us that u dont like to have +50 (or +80 if power boost) to ur MELEE POWER. My main Elaroth, fully buffed sat at 358 melee power in rraper with power boost. Dont forget that Prowess gives u: Melee power, dexterity, prr. The set pieces gives free action boost.

Second: 1800 hp for endgame reaper ?!?!?!?!? Im at 2.6k in quest and i feel squishy


Third 150 prr?!?!?! How so low?!?! And u mentioned a ton of rare filigrees that gives u extra prr....230 if i go LD 200 IN SJADOWDANCER

And last but not less important: 25 k dps?!?! I dropped again Shadowdancer to improve r10 numbers and i can say after various test, on Boss I am at 20k 22k in LD with full buff on me and all debuff on him...these are r1 numbers!!!...and u wont c a line with 22k written. But u will burn ur eyes to do exactly dps count on rogue, cuz u c like 8nline of dmg on top of ur head. I can improve lile 20% dmg if i got a bard in party....but not 25k sibgular crit for sure.

Wishes u the best....maybe post real numbers next time!!!!

AH....u are a Dex based endgame build and u go out there with 86 Dex....ahahahahahaha!

Elaroth
KVP - CANNITH

Now that you have taken the time to trash someones build, how about your post your own for comparison? If yours is as superior as you say, then perhaps assist the DDO community in improvied by sharing your build expertise. Its easy to trash someone's build and post arbitrary figures, without actually showing anything to substantiate it.

[Saekee]

Now that you have taken the time to trash someones build, how about your post your own for comparison? If yours is as superior as you say, then perhaps assist the DDO community in improvied by sharing your build expertise. Its easy to trash someone's build and post arbitrary figures, without actually showing anything to substantiate it.

I think he is using shadow_jumper’s build that shadow deleted. Shadow argued for raw dps from LD and the helpless state damage boost with action boosts and Prowess set. Strimtom is instead focusing on how as a solo player he can 1) survive, so SD; and 2) debuff for everyone’s DPS (shattered device set)

[0ldschool]

I think he is using shadow_jumper’s build that shadow deleted. Shadow argued for raw dps from LD and the helpless state damage boost with action boosts and Prowess set. Strimtom is instead focusing on how as a solo player he can 1) survive, so SD; and 2) debuff for everyone’s DPS (shattered device set)

I'm planning my filigree sets for endgame VKF assassin, and I am intrigued by Shattered Device. The PRR/MRR debuff is a great idea for bosses in parties/raiding. I am wondering though, if these 10 second procs stack and to what level. If I can reliably expect multiple stacks of -10 PRR/MRR debuff on a boss, that sounds like a fun role for my rogue. If it stacks to a max of one, that is less exciting. If anyone has experience with shattered device, I'd love to hear about it.

Thanks

EDIT: I think that I answered my own question. Ran the math, and a -10 PRR is going to be significant. Stacks of it would probably be OP. Dropping a 100 PRR mob to 90 PRR is a 5% damage increase. Dropping a 10 PRR mob to 0 PRR is a 10% damage increase. I would guess <?> that most mobs with PRR are in that range. As long as it procs often enough, and you are actually going up against mobs with PRR that live long enough for the proc to matter, this appears to be a really nice effect. So only red names as mentioned above.

[Saekee]

I'm planning my filigree sets for endgame VKF assassin, and I am intrigued by Shattered Device. The PRR/MRR debuff is a great idea for bosses in parties/raiding. I am wondering though, if these 10 second procs stack and to what level. If I can reliably expect multiple stacks of -10 PRR/MRR debuff on a boss, that sounds like a fun role for my rogue. If it stacks to a max of one, that is less exciting. If anyone has experience with shattered device, I'd love to hear about it.

Thanks

EDIT: I think that I answered my own question. Ran the math, and a -10 PRR is going to be significant. Stacks of it would probably be OP. Dropping a 100 PRR mob to 90 PRR is a 5% damage increase. Dropping a 10 PRR mob to 0 PRR is a 10% damage increase. I would guess <?> that most mobs with PRR are in that range. As long as it procs often enough, and you are actually going up against mobs with PRR that live long enough for the proc to matter, this appears to be a really nice effect. So only red names as mentioned above.

The other calculation is MP boosting with LD and Prowess since sneak damage scales so strongly with melee power.

[0ldschool]

The other calculation is MP boosting with LD and Prowess since sneak damage scales so strongly with melee power.

<faulty math deleted>

As you noted, any MP boosting solution is going to be really strong, especially for a sneak attack toon. If all that you are looking for is DPS, maxing MP is the inescapable solution.

I would really like to know if a mob with 0 PRR can go to -10 PRR with Shattered Device. That would make it pretty great for all mobs. I necro'd a thread yesterday from a year ago in which Coco said that it was possible for mobs to have negative PRR, but then he retracted it and did not really answer the question.

EDIT: I deleted part of the post above with % increase in damage, I have reason to believe my calculations were wrong. Testing has shown that Shattered Device procs a lot for my VKF (maybe 5% of hits?), enough that it is up full-time on red names. I was seeing a 7.5% damage increase on Bruntsmash with it active. This leads to me to guess that Bruntsmash has PRR=20, reduced to 10 with Shattered Device. That is what best fits the results that I'm seeing.

I would still like to know if Shattered Device and Suffering PRR debuffs stack.

[HungarianRhapsody]

I would really like to know if a mob with 0 PRR can go to -10 PRR with Shattered Device. That would make it pretty great for all mobs. I necro'd a thread yesterday from a year ago in which Coco said that it was possible for mobs to have negative PRR, but then he retracted it and did not really answer the question.

Yes, it should work now.

https://ddowiki.com/page/Update_41_P...#Miscellaneous

[0ldschool]

Yes, it should work now.

https://ddowiki.com/page/Update_41_P...#Miscellaneous

Wow! Thanks.

[Knightrose]

One With Blades (Vistani Core 20)
and
Knife Specialization (Assassin T5)

Do not stack. Just tested in game. Daggers are still 17-20 x3. Should be 16-20 x4

[Cor_Dath'a]

So, can anyone tell me how to get 9 Racial APs? From what I've been able to see, I can only get 1.

Thanks,

[Djjinni]

So, can anyone tell me how to get 9 Racial APs? From what I've been able to see, I can only get 1.

Thanks,

Racial Reincarnation - 1ap per 3 lives, and a +1 (or very rarely +2) Tome from the Store/Daily Dice

[Cor_Dath'a]

Racial Reincarnation - 1ap per 3 lives, and a +1 (or very rarely +2) Tome from the Store/Daily Dice

Thanks.

[radule]

One With Blades (Vistani Core 20)
and
Knife Specialization (Assassin T5)

Do not stack. Just tested in game. Daggers are still 17-20 x3. Should be 16-20 x4

Tested this again to make sure. Critical Threat Range does not stack, but Critical Damage Multiplier does (x4 insted of x3).

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Outstanding build!

Haven't played a rogue in many years.

Loving what I see here. Since my son is playing (after years of watching me play), I was thinking of going with this build with some purely flavor modifications.

Non negotiable Flavors

Can we get a conversation going for an elf version. Int based. Vistani. melee twf. throwing.



Also what are success with traps using the build as presented here?

Lastly, compare this setup to going with a mech/vistani?

Remember this is a starter player, but excels at multitasking. Being OP is not the goal. Flavor is the goal, but in a way where synergies can be maximized wherever possible.

[Josielynn]

Anyone willing to do a mock hotbar for this build? I'm new to playing melee and I have no clue what order I should use the active enhancements in. I looked at the video, but I know he probably uses multiple bars at one time. I just use one, I'm not that coordinated! Above it I have stuff I only use every now and then (which I usually swap with something on the first hotbar as needed).

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

So ... any person that's assassinated is considered as "trash" ?
Hence the name "trash remover" ?

[Hobgoblin]

So ... any person that's assassinated is considered as "trash" ?
Hence the name "trash remover" ?

it means non red named.

its end game so you shouldnt worry about it. just go back to your early game and have your fun. let us have our fun at end game

[anangel22]

So ... any person that's assassinated is considered as "trash" ?
Hence the name "trash remover" ?

as always, a most relevant and intelligent addition to any thread.

[heartmanpd]

I have this build in mid epics currently, and with Horizon Walker now offering the DEX trance, I was wondering about any thoughts on where enhancement points would be re-distributed to get the 11-13 points in the HW tree. Or maybe not worth it, but seems that trances on main stat seem to generally be the optimal play?

[Riffolk]

I was wondering about any thoughts on where enhancement points would be re-distributed to get the 11-13 points in the HW tree. Or maybe not worth it, but seems that trances on main stat seem to generally be the optimal play?

You are correct in stacking all damage sources (trance included) on one stat is worth it.

Not sure what AP tomes/past lives you have but you could do an AP split:

41 Assassin
23 Vistani (Double Daggers/Celerity)
13 Horizon Walker
3 Thief Acrobat

= 80 AP

[Carpone]

This thread is 20 months old, and has never been updated by OP. It's dead.

If you want an updated assassin build, there's one posted for U50.