The Lurker in the Deep WARLOCK pact - UNEARTHED ARCANA

[SorcererVictor]

Quoting D&D beyond > https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes/wa...urkerintheDeep

"You made a pact with an entity that lurks somewhere deep in the ocean, or even on the Elemental Plane of Water, such as a mighty kraken, an ancient primordial, or a monstrous being from creation’s earliest days. You serve as this creature’s eyes and ears, watching the world beyond its domain and reporting your findings. You may have gained this pact as a member of a cult dedicated to the entity or after your patron saved your life when you nearly drowned at sea."

I would suggest the following.
Alignment Restriction - Must be chaotic
Eldritch Blast Pact Damage - Cold (blue)
Pact Damage Save - Fortitude
1st-level pact Spell - Freezing Bolt
2st-level pact Spell - Knock
3st level pact spell - Frost Lance
4st level pact spell - Black Tentacles
5st pact spell - Cone of Cold
6st pact spell - Horrid Wilting or Polar ray
First Special Ability - Fathomless Soul - Watherbreathing + increased swiming speed
Guardian Grasp - Mobile tentacle that works like an summoned monster, with mobility

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

I remember the Ebberron novel "The Broken Land", in which such a sea being appears ... I think it would even be interesting to have an Elemental as a patron ...

[SorcererVictor]

I remember the Ebberron novel "The Broken Land", in which such a sea being appears ... I think it would even be interesting to have an Elemental as a patron ...

Yes, at moment, you can choose >
Lower planes
Feyworld
Far realms

IMO they should add at least an Elemental patron and an patron from shadowfell

[cru121]

I think this form should steal more from Druid spell list for stuff like Quench early and water elemental-specific spells later.
Freedom of Movement spell (waters cannot be chained)
Gain Evasion under water
Blueish Avatar of Nature transformation could be fun, if it was worth it.

[SorcererVictor]

I think this form should steal more from Druid spell list for stuff like Quench early and water elemental-specific spells later.
Freedom of Movement spell (waters cannot be chained)
Gain Evasion under water
Blueish Avatar of Nature transformation could be fun, if it was worth it.

Yes, you are right. I never played an druid. Can you use spells or Eldritch Blast while in shifted form?

[droid327]

Without looking at the source material...

I'd say the alignment should be Neutral, not Chaotic. The sea is an uncaring thing - that's neutrality - more than chaotic in the way the GOOs are.

You have way too much focus on DPS spells, when no other pact even has one. Warlock, by design, is not a nuking caster class, they do buffs CC and IK - and if there was a Pact that was meant to give them more of a nuking toolkit, it wouldnt be Water, it'd be Air. Water is the least nukey of the four elements. And you dont have to solely draw from the existing arcane spellbook...you can adapt enhancement skills too (eg Warchanter freeze)

Also you give them a L14 pact spell that they've already had since L10 Pact spells are not SLAs, and its not like there's even a bunch of good L4 Warlock spells where you'd want to free up a slot.

The first special ability is pretty weak - maybe give a Waterbreathing+Merfolks Blessing combo spell as one of the early spells instead. I might go with +5% dodge/dodge cap as the first ability, a la Ocean Stance. Second one - summons, blech. Make it a no-save freeze.

I also always kinda thought of a Water pact as the best place to put a bit of self-healing for Warlock - Water Domain is linked to Positive SP for Clerics, e.g. Maybe one of their spells could be Vigor, which would play nicely with Feigned Life (temp HP + regen, like a mini-Cocoon)

[SorcererVictor]

Without looking at the source material...

I'd say the alignment should be Neutral, not Chaotic. The sea is an uncaring thing - that's neutrality - more than chaotic in the way the GOOs are.

You have way too much focus on DPS spells, when no other pact even has one. Warlock, by design, is not a nuking caster class, they do buffs CC and IK - and if there was a Pact that was meant to give them more of a nuking toolkit, it wouldnt be Water, it'd be Air. Water is the least nukey of the four elements. And you dont have to solely draw from the existing arcane spellbook...you can adapt enhancement skills too (eg Warchanter freeze)

Also you give them a L14 pact spell that they've already had since L10 Pact spells are not SLAs, and its not like there's even a bunch of good L4 Warlock spells where you'd want to free up a slot.

The first special ability is pretty weak - maybe give a Waterbreathing+Merfolks Blessing combo spell as one of the early spells instead. I might go with +5% dodge/dodge cap as the first ability, a la Ocean Stance. Second one - summons, blech. Make it a no-save freeze.

I also always kinda thought of a Water pact as the best place to put a bit of self-healing for Warlock - Water Domain is linked to Positive SP for Clerics, e.g. Maybe one of their spells could be Vigor, which would play nicely with Feigned Life (temp HP + regen, like a mini-Cocoon)

Yes, you are right. Too many damage spells. Frost Shield, Freedom of movement and etc fits better

[SoVeryBelgian]

I started a similar thread a some months ago on the topic of an Ice pact Warlock to account for the lack of use in Ice-spellpower builds (The most favored builds are Fire and Lightning for Sorc).

It was mentioned by a Dev that if an Ice Pact was added, the likely candidate would be The Raven Queen / Synergy with the Plane of Shadow. Hence the 'cold' of the grave.


But I personally was more in favor of an Elemental-bound pact, either from Eberron's own Cosmology (Risia, Plane of Ice) or as the one you mentioned.

I would change some of the spells you chose, and instead add something like a Single-Target freeze to match Chains (from Acid) and later on a Tsunami equivalent with a CHA modifier instead of Wisdom. Either that or add Ice Flowers to a non-druid class. Definitely add Water Breathing / Merfolk's, and for the small bonuses, Dodge and MRR.

It would be cool to have a Scaling CR Summon (Current level +10?) of a Water Elemental companion OR a Water Weird. But that's a longshot.

[droid327]

It was mentioned by a Dev that if an Ice Pact was added, the likely candidate would be The Raven Queen / Synergy with the Plane of Shadow. Hence the 'cold' of the grave.

yeah I saw that too, but the Raven Queen AFAIK is deity-level, so I dont know if that would fit with Warlock lore....they pledge to powerful entities, but not gods themselves.

[SorcererVictor]

yeah I saw that too, but the Raven Queen AFAIK is deity-level, so I dont know if that would fit with Warlock lore....they pledge to powerful entities, but not gods themselves.

The main difference is that warlocks aren't clerics. Warlocks doesn't gain power from their patron in a cleric way. Their relationship with their master is more akin to master/apprentice than to an cleric and her deity. That said, worship Raven Queen and fuse your soul with her essence and become her apprentice are two completely different things. On 3.5e WLK can inherit their powers from an ancestor and have no patron, this would be impossible for divine casters.

I started a similar thread a some months ago on the topic of an Ice pact Warlock to account for the lack of use in Ice-spellpower builds (The most favored builds are Fire and Lightning for Sorc).

It was mentioned by a Dev that if an Ice Pact was added, the likely candidate would be The Raven Queen / Synergy with the Plane of Shadow. Hence the 'cold' of the grave.


But I personally was more in favor of an Elemental-bound pact, either from Eberron's own Cosmology (Risia, Plane of Ice) or as the one you mentioned.

I would change some of the spells you chose, and instead add something like a Single-Target freeze to match Chains (from Acid) and later on a Tsunami equivalent with a CHA modifier instead of Wisdom. Either that or add Ice Flowers to a non-druid class. Definitely add Water Breathing / Merfolk's, and for the small bonuses, Dodge and MRR.

It would be cool to have a Scaling CR Summon (Current level +10?) of a Water Elemental companion OR a Water Weird. But that's a longshot.

As for perma companion, a moving tentacle that is not a companion but works mechanically as a companion will be interesting.

[SorcererVictor]

Other suggestion. HEXBLADE WARLOCK

Instead of becoming a apprentice of a outsider, the warlock forges an pact with an weapon similar to Venon and the symbiote until both are one.But i don't know how implemente it on DDO