scourge ranger

[Hobgoblin]

simply put - stick with blunt weapons or go with longswords?


I have knights training but not a lot of racial ap on that char.


i have 17 points in racial 42 in dread and 23 in dws. that leaves none for harper and kta.

if i dont go blunt, i can go with around 7 in aas and pick up kta

this is a pure ranger str based

please advise


thanks guys.

[Hobgoblin]

thoughts?

still taking dire charge.

need the bonus to it i think to have it hit in later content

[Palna]

thoughts?

still taking dire charge.

need the bonus to it i think to have it hit in later content

Reduce racial to 9? I like to have all cores, and improved scourge weapons. I guess you could go to 21 in DWS, for crit range. I don’t use blunt though. KTA is pretty important imo, str on pure rangers is lacking compared to others and no tactical enhancements hurt your DC.

[Hobgoblin]

Reduce racial to 9? I like to have all cores, and improved scourge weapons. I guess you could go to 21 in DWS, for crit range. I don’t use blunt though. KTA is pretty important imo, str on pure rangers is lacking compared to others and no tactical enhancements hurt your DC.

i have that for the enhancment on the left side - it gives me a +1 sacred bonus to crit range with aas weapons

[jskinner937]

Reduce racial to 9? I like to have all cores, and improved scourge weapons. I guess you could go to 21 in DWS, for crit range. I don’t use blunt though. KTA is pretty important imo, str on pure rangers is lacking compared to others and no tactical enhancements hurt your DC.

Exactly. Aasimar Scourge is a trap. Compared to facials where aasimar reigns king, this is the worst iconic you could do.

[Hobgoblin]

Exactly. Aasimar Scourge is a trap. Compared to racials where aasimar reigns king, this is the worst iconic you could do.

while i am not precisely disagreeing with you as i feel the same way......... do you have numbers or stats to back it up?

right now im using ic blunt ic slash and knights training. i went all the way up the left hand side of racial tree to get heal amp and the crit mod with the healing hands.

i could switch out the ic blunt for kopeshes and go with long swords and scimis...... which would let me take kta at the cost of losing 20 amp.


I just want some numbers to either back up or deny my feeling

[Palna]

while i am not precisely disagreeing with you as i feel the same way......... do you have numbers or stats to back it up?

right now im using ic blunt ic slash and knights training. i went all the way up the left hand side of racial tree to get heal amp and the crit mod with the healing hands.

i could switch out the ic blunt for kopeshes and go with long swords and scimis...... which would let me take kta at the cost of losing 20 amp.


I just want some numbers to either back up or deny my feeling

I don't really have any numbers for you, but someone on a different forum showed some numbers that put scourge weapons close to Khopesh or Longsword with Knights Training

I'm using Khopesh (had many of those from before), and blunt weapons when needed. Good thing with ranger is it's crit modifiers is weapon agnostic. It's question of how many racial PL do I have, and can I get all I need in Scourge together with 41-42 Tempest, 21-24 in DWS and 8 in Harper for KTA.

With a swap item I get +11 (iirc) from KTA, in my oppinion it makes up for the Scourge weapons crit multi when you factor in the added CC from Dire Charge.

[jskinner937]

while i am not precisely disagreeing with you as i feel the same way......... do you have numbers or stats to back it up?

right now im using ic blunt ic slash and knights training. i went all the way up the left hand side of racial tree to get heal amp and the crit mod with the healing hands.

i could switch out the ic blunt for kopeshes and go with long swords and scimis...... which would let me take kta at the cost of losing 20 amp.


I just want some numbers to either back up or deny my feeling

The only reason to go Scourge is for TWF with maces. Things that make Scourge bad compared to Aasimar:

Divine Form Toggle isn’t really a toggle on Aasmiar and is even worse than Angelic Form in EA. Because after 75 seconds you die. And then it cost 30sp to reactivate after cooldown. Not worth getting at all.

All weapon stuff is related to maces, clubs and mornigstars. Considering maces are the only competitive weapon of the bunch, it leaves you one weapon choice. And with poor selection, needing to burn additional feat (Knights Training) to make the crit/dmg profile competitive with even scimitars, it seems like still a poor weapon

Ranger is just a terrible combo with the enhancements in the tree. Ranger tempest dual wielding maces. That just makes no sense. Personally FVS or Barbarian would have both been better choices.

The bond is weak and makes no sense at all. +CON and +Fort save...on what is supposed to be a tempest ranger? Why not STR or WIS and reflex?

The divine purpose is weak as well. Not worth getting.

The only real benefit you get from Scourge is the healing hands again unless you build a mace build. All the other iconic have a case for viable end game builds except Scourge. And even though the forced level isn’t always ideal it at least makes sense and can be incorporated into the build.

So far Aasimar Scourge is the only life I was forced to LR when going through iconics. I hate iconics anyways but unless you are OK running a gimp life from 15-30 then you must build for dual wielding maces. Although now with inquisitor tree, at least you have a pew pew option.

This is what makes Scourge a trap. No numbers just reasonable expectations.