Reaper Endgame THF Paladin

[Pilgrim1]

Yup, I dropped insight con. Considering the augment (+2) and quality con crafted on boots the hp difference is minimal (60+stance).

+8 con = 120 hp x 1.35 = 162 hp.

You have so many reaper points, i can see how this could be an acceptable loss. Those with fewer reaper points will feal the loss more.

[Gilga1]

+8 con = 120 hp x 1.35 = 162 hp.
You have so many reaper points, i can see how this could be an acceptable loss. Those with fewer reaper points will feal the loss more.

The difference is +4. Using City Champion cloak makes no room for a second slavers item, and I will never change Quality Cha for Constitution.

[tpbtoc]

The difference is +4. Using City Champion cloak makes no room for a second slavers item, and I will never change Quality Cha for Constitution.

Could you give a breakdown of your STR and CHA? How do you get 86/114?

[Gilga1]

Could you give a breakdown of your STR and CHA? How do you get 86/114?

Sure. I found my reaper stat helm after that screenshot XD

STR 86-90
15 base
8 tome
6 completionist+racial completionist
22 item
10 insightful
1 exceptional
2 profane
2 remn pot
2 guild
6 filigree (str+2 x2)
5 reaper
6 stance
1 glitter of fame
-
2 yugo
2 reaper stats helm

CHA 114-116
18 base
8 tome
7 level up
7 completionist+racial completionist
9 enhancements
21 item
10 insightful
4 quality
1 exceptional
2 profane
2 yugo
2 remn pot
2 guild
6 filigree (cha+2 x2)
5 reaper
5 Fatesinger
1 glitter of fame
4 turn the tide
-
2 reaper stats helm

[supps2]

Any gear changes with the new update?

[Gilga1]

Any gear changes with the new update?

Good question! I chose to keep my current equip.
The belt is a decent item, bracers can be an option too. But overall I think my current setup is still better.

[supps2]

It appears you are using medium armor over heavy, is there a reason why or you just prefer it. Also what are the 2x lgs you use for debuffing, never heard of this.

Thanks

[jetraye]

would i lose too much if i go 18 pally / 2 ftr? was thinking of doing something like this for my pally lives (also missing a couple pdks)

[capitainetaverne]

Yup. Usually I slot STR rare x2.

I only know one rare +2 str
Is there another one? Is it possible to stack the same one twice?

[Gilga1]

It appears you are using medium armor over heavy, is there a reason why or you just prefer it. Also what are the 2x lgs you use for debuffing, never heard of this.

Hey, good question! Basically the choice is more dodge vs more prr/AC (assuming 50% armor AC from SaD tree). It’s really difficult to quantify the effectiveness of dodge vs prr/AC. To be honest I used both options and I didn’t notice relevant differences. XD

Wizard PL’s mm are really good to stack debuffs fast. The LGS choices should be based on your weapon and party composition. Dust+Ooze, but you can also include Ash or Vacuum.

would i lose too much if i go 18 pally / 2 ftr? was thinking of doing something like this for my pally lives (also missing a couple pdks)

A lot… don’t do that!
KoTC capstone is too strong to pass.

I only know one rare +2 str
Is there another one? Is it possible to stack the same one twice?

You can put the same filigree on weapon and artifact

[capitainetaverne]

You can put the same filigree on weapon and artifact

Woot! good to know
BUG or WAI?

[Gilga1]

WAI ...or it would have already been fixed

[DrawingGuy]

Good question! I chose to keep my current equip.
The belt is a decent item, bracers can be an option too. But overall I think my current setup is still better.

I've been asking myself gearing questions too. You can't get everything, and Paladins are in a nice position where you can shift gear around to pick and choose what you find most valuable. For Gilga's setup you could shift gear like so:

Helm Legendary Executioner's Helm (Insightful Deception +7, Relentless Fury, Seeker 17, Quality Combat Mastery +4)
Goggles Legendary Collective Sight (Strength +21, Insightful Charisma +10, Quality Resistance +4, +20 Quality MRR)
Necklace The Family’s Blessing (Quality Assassinate +2, Insightful Armor-Piercing - 16%, Deadly +17, Doublestrike 24%)
Trinket Bloodrage Chrism (Competence Healing Amplification +83, Calamitous Blows, Bloodrage Defense, Rune-fueled Warding, Unnatural)
Armor Legendary Enforcer's Coat (+15 Enhancement Bonus, Fortification +214%, Physical Sheltering +54, Competence Healing Amplification +85, Hit Points +81)
Cloak Silver Dragonscale Capelet (Insightful Strength +10, Dodge +21%, Insightful Sheltering +28, Shining Silver Scales)
Wrist Brightlord, the Sigil of the Flame (Charisma +22, Speed +30, Armor-Piercing - 36, Extra Smites)
Belt Legendary Belt of Sure Strikes (Magical Sheltering +54, Insightful Seeker 10, Quality Combat Mastery +5, Quality Accuracy +8)
Ring Legendary Celestial Sapphire Ring (Constitution +21, Improved Deception, Dodge +21%, Profane Well Rounded +2)
Ring Legendary Celestial Ruby Ring (Dexterity +21, Stunning +23, Accuracy +33, Ghostly)
Gloves Legendary Hammerfist (Insightful Doublestrike 11%, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker 21, Insightful Deadly +8)
Boots SL (Wisdom +17, Deception +14, Shatter +20, Quality Charisma +4)

This would gain you:
+ 8 more Armor Piercing
+ 9 more MRR
+ 3 more Smites and have them recharge 15% faster
+ 10 Seeker (this is better than +5 Deadly on Silvanus Mauls and GSwords)
+ 1 Combat Mastery
+ 1 Charisma
+ 30 Movement/15 Alacrity freeing up a feat slot

You would lose:
- 4 Constitution
- 20 Vertigo
- 1 Strength
- 5 Deadly
- 53% Fire Absorption

What you turn that freed up feat slot into would weigh in for the new gear, though that might be moot if you want to keep the feat for flipping into non-alacrity gear (such as back to the old artifact for Fire Absorb in THTH). I personally lean towards the new gear, but it's not an easy decision.

[Gilga1]

I personally lean towards the new gear, but it's not an easy decision.

Yup, I agree.
I use trip a lot in quest, so dropping vertigo hurts... but more armor piercing is sexy XD
Another reason to keep my SL belt is that I have +6 mp on it... and I didn't find a good Belt of Sure Strikes yet.
And deadly is -7 losing slavers set bonus.

[aquavalentin]

Yup, I agree.
I use trip a lot in quest, so dropping vertigo hurts... but more armor piercing is sexy XD
Another reason to keep my SL belt is that I have +6 mp on it... and I didn't find a good Belt of Sure Strikes yet.
And deadly is -7 losing slavers set bonus.

Why do you have shatter?
Can't you put Vertio instead of shatter on your SL boots?
That might be the tipping point for using Drawingguys gear setup?

[Gilga1]

Why do you have shatter?
Can't you put Vertio instead of shatter on your SL boots?
That might be the tipping point for using Drawingguys gear setup?

True, I can live without Shatter (Holy Retribution). Still, I will lose +7 deadly and melee power bonus I have on items. I will consider the change if I’ll drop a +6 mp belt and a good artifact with bonuses.

[Kza]

True, I can live without Shatter (Holy Retribution). Still, I will lose +7 deadly and melee power bonus I have on items. I will consider the change if I’ll drop a +6 mp belt and a good artifact with bonuses.

Yes, one "best setup" isnt necessary anothers cause of reaper and mythic gear bonuses :-)

[Damian]

Hello Tronko,

1st, great build btw, loving it.

Questions:

Whats your doublestrike at and can you break it down?
Whats your MP at and can you break it down?
How did you get 74 turn undead?
Why invest in AC enhancements in sacred defender? is 177 AC a big difference from 148 in R8+ content?

thank you in advance

[Gilga1]

Hello Tronko,
1st, great build btw, loving it.

Hey, thank you

Whats your doublestrike at and can you break it down?

9 Doublestrike PL
3 Scourge PL
5 PTWF
24 Enhancement (The Family’s Blessing)
11 Insightful (Hammerfist)
15 Artifact (Family Set)
10 Sacred (Zeal)
10 Profane (Bloodrage Chrism)
6 Running with Wind twist
93%
+
2/3 Filigrees (Sanctified Fervor or Shattered Device)
5 Alchemical (Cannith Combat Infusion)
100-101%

Whats your MP at and can you break it down?

4 Tome
6 THF feats
20 KotC
30 Epic Power
60 Fatesinger
10 Martial Hymn
10 PTHF
20 Scion of Arborea
25 Artifact (Family Set)
15 Sacred (Righteous Command)
32 Filigrees
29 Mythic/Reaper equip
24 Reaper
285
+
5 Exalted Smite
25 Sanctified Fervor
0-75 Sacred (Ascendancy) - 60 max
30 Damage Boost
50 Prowess
10-15 Potion
5 Festive Apple
475 max

You can have more using different filigrees and ofc having a better equip.

How did you get 74 turn undead?

Extra turning feat and Final Burial (+3 Turn Undead Charges) x2

Why invest in AC enhancements in sacred defender? is 177 AC a big difference from 148 in R8+ content?

That’s a good question.
I did choose to invest my points in SaD mostly for core 5 (+10% hp, +25 hamp, +3 LoH, +5 PRR/MRR). Considering I already took +6 CON and +6 STR there are not better options remaining.
No, 177 AC doesn't make a big difference. But 177 is better than 148

[Pilgrim1]

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25 Sanctified Fervor
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50 Prowess
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Extra turning feat and Final Burial (+3 Turn Undead Charges) x2

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STR 86-90
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6 filigree (str+2 x2)
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CHA 114-116
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6 filigree (cha+2 x2)

So I count.. 2x +2str filigrees, 2x +2charisma filigrees, 2 extra turn undead filigrees, 5 sanctified fervor filigrees, 5 prowess filigrees. For a total of 16.. unless i missed something? How do you pull this off? Im guessing you would have to do some weapon swapping but doesn't that reduce the melee power gains from using reflection of blackrazor? Also turn undead charges (max) seam to go down when the weapon is swaped out, so you would have to burn them before switching to a new weapon... do you run one weapon with extra turning and sanctified fervor and one weapon with prowess, str filigress, and charisma filigress? Did you cut shattered device out (if so, whats your logic for that?)

I don't really see how your pulling all this off, can you explain?

Thanks!